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Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly
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Pro Football Focus has given the New Orleans Saints off season grade a C-. Let's exam their thinking. New Orleans SaintsBlah Blah Blah ................... Their explanation Now let us look at Walter Football's grading: Walter Football has since updated their grades for the Saints since 3-28-16, where they had given us a F. They now also have us grading a C-. Still comparing us to Matt Millen seems a little harsh. New Orleans Saints: C-Blah Blah Blah ................... Their explanation The experts over at ESPN give the Saints the lowest grade at D+. You can follow their link for the grades on all 32 teams but it requires Insider Access, so I'll post the Saints grade below. free-agency-grades-all-32-nfl-teams New Orleans SaintsBlah Blah Blah ................... Their explanation Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly - Canal Street Chronicles Key question will be this: Will Coby Fleener join Browner, Byrd and Spiller as all overpaid and under performing for various reasons Other moves made? Cap causalities and age. Youth movement is in full swing it would appear. I like the additions for depth and the boost they can give a poor special teams play. Kool aid anyone? Fleener, Laurinaitis, Fairley, Byrd and Spiller all earn their pay checks and not one misses a game. live up to or exceed expectation, which for most should not be hard based on previous years production. Big surprise prediction? Nathan Stupar and Michael Mauti make the coverage unit a thing to fear. Need a Gunner or two A boring off season for the most part with one serious head scratching but this is an annual tradition lately. |
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Yeah! I won't lose any sleep because of what they thinks. The fact that they gives the Saints Cs, Ds and Fs gives me hope.
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I agree we overpaid for Fleener, but the rest were pretty good deals. Maybe we were dinged because several of our additions were really back-ups and special teamers.
Considering the cap space we had I thought we did an excellent job filling some holes. All things considered I'd give us a C-plus or even a B-minus. We're in a youth movement. We have a ton of young talent from last year that should keep developing nicely. |
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Maybe the grade s should wait until after the assignment.. I mean season is completed?
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Plus you forgot the Roddy White deal. http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/5ggAAO...QNK/s-l500.jpg |
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If 2 of the 4 defensive players crack the lineup and produce then the grade is an A just based on price But, outsider looking in, hard to disagree with C- |
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Just getting Brandon Browner out of town should count double.
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**** PFF
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who is going to step up and get called for 21 penalties in his place? |
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Think the grade is not only the result of who was, wasn't signed, but of the result of cap management as a whole...
I'm skeptical of Fleener and his signing, I see it as nothing more than elaborate smoke screen... However, excited about signing Laurinaitis and moving Anthony so Stephone can learn and give his athleticism more play-making opportunities... And the depth signings at linebacker of Stupar and Robertson are being overlooked, underrated right now and will also bear fruit in kicking coverage game... Now, if Payton is to be believed, moving to scheme so Kikaha, Edebali and Tull rush as JACK LBers reduces strain of hitting more than one D-Linemen in the draft... |
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Anthony has stiff competition. It;s going to be a hell of a camp at the lber position. My dark horse is Stuper, he's not going to lay down .He plays nasty reminds me of Ellerbe.
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Yeah these sites are such "experts". If you didn't sign a big name on day one you did bad. Lets look back and see the grades they gave Philly over the years. How did all the "top" free agents worked out for them.
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Here is a bit of a reply I made on a Falcons' site that said we were handcuffed by our cap and had to "settle for" minor free agents, no big splashes. My point being, what was out there that was better?
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Meh, shored up the LB corps, got a potential pass rush going, addressed discrepancies & didn't go out in left field ... that says "C", "C+" all day long, IMO ... satisfactory/acceptable achievement on a standard grading scale, #shrug.
I think the Laurinaitis signing works out like Sean Hill (DAL) or Luke Keuchly (CAR) for you guys ... just a hunch, which in turn motivates the rest of the D and they get rollin', :) . |
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Re-signed: FB Austin Johnson, CB Kyle Wilson, G Senio Kelemete, TEMichael Hoomanawanui, K Kai Forbath, RB Travaris Cadet, QB Luke McCown, S Jamarca Sanford, TE Josh Hill
Signed: TE Coby Fleener, LB Nathan Stupar, LB James Laurinaitis, LB Craig Robertson, DT Nick Fairley, K Josh Scobee, Nick Fairley Lost/cut: S Rafael Bush, TE Benjamin Watson, G Jahri Evans, LB David Hawthorne, LB Ramon Humber, WR Seantavius Jones, WR Marques Colston, CB Brandon Browner, RB Khiry Robinson If you look at what we lost and gained I think that the front office did very good maybe a B- and here's why: Linebackers - we lost Humber and Hawthorne but gained Lauranitis, Stupar and Robertson. Good trade off in my opinion. TE - we lost Watson but gained Fleenor and re-signed Hoomanawanui and retained Hill. GREAT in my opinion. RB - we lost Robinson but re-signed Cadet and are talking to Hightower about re-signing and that will be a GREAT win in my opinion. We will sign Hightower. WR - we lost Colston and Jones who but Cooks, Snead and Coleman are ready to take over. We could use someone like Boldin that's not afraid to go over the middle. Good move in my opinion. We will get another receiver like Colston before the season starts. Look for it in the later rounds of the draft. Coach is good at picking gems in the late rounds. CB - we lost Browner. What loss? He was Browner than burnt toast! We re-signed Wilson and will get 1 or 2 more in the draft. Good in my opinion. S - we lost Bush but re-signed Sanford and signed Eric Dixon. Good trade in my opinion. We will get one more before the season starts. Nelson or Whitener since his release from Cleveland would both be great additions. Kicker - we signed Scobee and he will replace Forbath for sure. Great move in my opinion. Guard - we lost Evans but re-signed Clemente and will move Peat to LG and this position will be addressed in the draft probably 3rd round. Below Average in my opinion. FB - retaining Austin is a win. QB - we re-signed McCown and will eventually restructure Drew to free up a lot more cap space. Good in my opinion. Defensive Line - we signed Fairley which is a fairly decent move but still need to address the Defensive Line and we will with Jarran Reed or A'Shaun in the first and a hulk of a DT or stand up DE in the 2nd. We will get either Shaq Lawson from Clemson or Calhoun from Michigan State. If Billings from Baylor falls to us in the 2nd, Correa DE/OLB Boise State or Howard CB Baylor we will grab one. Good in my opinion. and guys and gals we still have 3.3 million in cap space with Drew's restructure left. GREAT IN MY OPINION. B- is my final offer! |
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How can the guy say the acquisitions grades poorly without even seeing them suit up as a Saint yet?
Agreed with CheramieIII If we signed Anquan Boldin and had a solid draft, picking up a RG, WR and then draft heavy defense I'd be very happy. |
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I'd give it a C-minus at this point in time. That's based mainly on what they failed to do instead of what they actually did. Getting Fleener (overpay), Fairley (1-year stop gap), and Lauranaitis could end up as good moves. But not addressing this team's most serious holes (DE, DT, Safety, OG) is a head scratcher. Loomis has crippled this franchise with a series of terrible FA signings, unwise extensions, and poor results in the draft. Leading the league in dead money is not a good thing. Let's hope we do better in the 2016 draft.
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I give it a yawn so far. which is not a bad thing. But it ain't kool aid either
grade comes after the final game of the 2016 season. |
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Forbath only made 69.2% of his field goals last year, it shouldn't be too hard for Scobee to compete
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Scobee isn't any better as he missed fgs himself. I can't envision Scobee having a turnaround just because he could be on a winning team. That's like throwing darts at a dartboard. When a kicker starts falling, that's it.
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So what about the road? If we win the division next year we are likely going to Seattle in the divisional round or Green Bay in the NFCCG. What if he can't kick a fg there?
And guess why he got cut by Pittsburgh? Will he do this against the panthers and falcons? Steelers cut Josh Scobee | ProFootballTalk He missed two FGs and one in OT against the steelers' biggest division rival in primetime after the team was knocked out of the playoffs by them the last meeting. |
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The Saints needed veteran talent and leadership at LB. They got it. The Saints needed a TE. They got a potential play maker. The Saints needed more athleticism at DT. They got it. The draft is now set up where they can take the BPA. And this draft is loaded with defensive talent. Unless they wiff in the draft, the Saints are a better team than they were last year.
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For that matter there is a reason San Diego moved on Brees too!
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Losing Brandon Browner made our defense better and the locker room alot better
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How many FGs did Scobee miss last year? You really believe Scobee is gonna be Hartley 2.0? I don't see it. Either way, Scobee is not going to be a game saver for us. I just don't see it. Forbath can at least make the 50 yard FGs. Scobee may have passed that point now. This is the one signing I hated, as I wanted a young kicker late in the draft like the next Tucker or Succop. |
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He missed them in Pittsburgh, almost every kicker sucks kicking in Pittsburgh. If Scobee can turn back the clock, maybe they have finally found a kicker
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For what one season? He's near retirement. I don't thnk he's as good as Viniaterri.
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I decided to do some comparisons here............
Scobee vs Forbath in same environments @Philadelphia Scobee(2014 week 1) 1/3 for 49, missed 50 and 36 blocked Forbath(2014 week 3) 2/3 for 44 and 49, missed 33 @Washington Scobee(2014 week 2) 1/1 for 36 Forbath(all season 2014 at home) 10/12 for highs of 42, 27, 31, 25, and 25. He had no FG opportinities against two teams and the two he missed was against the same team, week 11 vs TB. @Indy Scobee(2014 week 12) 1/1 for 28 Scobee(2013 week 17) 1/1 for 37 Forbath(2014 week 13) 2/2 for a high of 29 @Houston Scobee(2014 week 17) 1/2 for 53, missed 51(hit left upright) Scobee(2013 week 12) 2/3 for 30 and 53, had 49 blocked Forbath(2014 week 1) 0/0 missed XP(it should be noted he didn't miss a XP rest of season) Forbath(2015 week 12) 2/2 for 30 and 57 @Denver Scobee(2013 week 6) 2/2 for 50 and 30 Forbath(2013 week 8) 0/0 @Minnesota Scobee(2012 week 1) 3/3 for 19, 27, and 47, had xp blocked) Forbath(2013 week 10) 2/2 for 20 and 40 @Pittsburgh Scobee(2015 week 4) we already know Forbath(2012 week 8) 2/2 for 48 and 45, missed XP @Cleveland Scobee(2013 week 13) 3/3 for 44, 36, and 25 Forbath(2012 week 14) 1/1 for 44 Last year Scobee was 3/7 at home yes. Scobee, however, has never kicked here. He was injured in 2007. With that aside those atmospheres consists of places Scobee has kicked since 2010 that Forbath also has and it's a no-brainer, Forbath is better on the road. We're looking at just our home stats, well we shouldn't be grinding games out at home to begin with. Btw Forbath in 2014 was 88.9 for Washington. How did he suddenly do bad for us? Could it be our special teams? |
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