Hartwell Moves...

LKelley67 · 03-02-2005, 11:31 AM

today or tomorrow likely his agent says.

from the baltimoresun.com-

Lewis provided a grimmer outlook on the chances of inside linebacker Ed Hartwell returning to the Ravens. Hartwell has made 472 tackles over the past three seasons, a total surpassed by only Ray Lewis (510).
"He loves Baltimore, the fans there, the coaching staff and his teammates. But there's zero chance of him re-signing because it's Ray Lewis' team," said Harold Lewis, indicating Hartwell could sign with another team today or tomorrow.

---reminds me of an aerosmith song... "dream on, dream on, dream on"

LKelley67 · 03-02-2005, 11:48 AM

while on LBs that COULD be had...

The Eagles do want Trotter back, but all indications are that the offer they\'ve put on the table has not satisfied the linebacker or his agent, Jimmy Sexton. The Eagles have tried for two days to get in touch with Sexton, but as of 8 o\'clock last night the agent had not returned their phone calls. Sexton did not return a phone call from The Inquirer yesterday.

A league source said last night that Sexton has informed Trotter that he is probably going to have to go elsewhere if he wants to sign the kind of deal he is looking for. Two league sources have said that the Kansas City Chiefs are prepared to make an offer to Trotter.

What would the Eagles do without Trotter?

It\'s possible they could sign a free-agent linebacker, such as Baltimore\'s Edgerton Hartwell or Washington\'s Antonio Pierce.

In addition to the Chiefs, it\'s possible the Vikings will make a run at Trotter: They have a lot of salary-cap room and need a strong presence in the middle.

----i forgot we have plenty of lb presence one side to the other.

GumboBC · 03-02-2005, 11:51 AM

Hartwell has made 472 tackles over the past three seasons, a total surpassed by only Ray Lewis (510).

WOW!! Ray Lewis only has 38 more tackles than Hartwell over a 3-year period?!?!

How can we not at least TRY and get this guy?

GoldenTomb · 03-02-2005, 11:54 AM

Hartwell has made 472 tackles over the past three seasons, a total surpassed by only Ray Lewis (510).

WOW!! Ray Lewis only has 38 more tackles than Hartwell over a 3-year period?!?!

How can we not at least TRY and get this guy?

Because the Saints are probably looking at Roman Phifer(ala Bryan Cox). :casstet:

baronm · 03-02-2005, 11:55 AM

yeah-nobody really talks about us much..or the falcons or the hawks or the hornets or the braves...

gets on my nerves.

Danno · 03-02-2005, 12:07 PM

If we ran a 3-4 I\'d love this guy.

But even with his 4.8/no coverage ability I\'d still be happy with him.

At least he\'d bring attitude with him, and a chip on his shoulder from playing under Lewis\'s shadow for so long.

But since he\'s a better fit for a 3-4, and we run a 4-3, I expect we\'ll sign him tomorow.

LKelley67 · 03-02-2005, 12:13 PM

i think if it is a do nothing/little free agency and the first two teams on the schedule run for 300 yds, it sounds like your optimistic zeal may take a new direction billy. i\'m not for bashing. it is just that the need of some of these moves look all too obvious to me. crunch time with the cap is really gonna kick in next season and the one after. it is a time to push and push hard now. a hartwell, trotter, or pierce (the best for the buck imo) would make a strong statement as an organization for winning. nothing would help the team in negotiations with the state more than that either. 32-32 with the last ranked D in the league and maintaining the status quo will have opposite results.

GumboBC · 03-02-2005, 12:21 PM

Edgerton Hartwell:

Transactions:
Edgerton Hartwell re-signed with the Baltimore Ravens on 5/17/04...Was originally selected by the Ravens with their fourth round pick (126th overall) in the 2001 NFL draft.

Pro Summary:
Chosen by Sports Illustrated as the NFLÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s best LB to stuff the run on 4th-and-inches plays, Hartwell is a throwback who can fight through the blocks of the G and CÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Finished 2nd on the team with 140 tackles, and added 3 sacks, 5 PDs, 2 FFs and 1 INT in 2003ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Led the team with 191 tackles in 2002, becoming the only player other than Ray Lewis to lead the team in tackles in franchise historyÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Hard-nosed player who enjoyed a breakout season in 2002ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Named AFC Player of the Week after he led the team with 15 tackles in a 13-12 win over Tennessee in game 11ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Saw action in 16 games and 2 postseason games in 2001ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Recorded 9 total special teams tacklesÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Selected by the Ravens as their 4th-round pick (126th overall) in the 2001 NFL Draft.

Quote:
\"Ed is a legitimate inside linebacker who can back up Ray Lewis and contribute on special teams. He had a solid and productive college career. Everything on film showed that he was a playmaker.\"

- Phil Savage, Ravens\' Director of Player Personnel, on Hartwell

2004
Led the Ravens with 11 tackles (7 solo) in the 30-23 victory in the season finale vs. Mia. (1/2/05)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Finished 2nd on the team with 13 tackles, including 10 solo in game 15 at Pit. (12/26)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Netted 4 tackles, including 3 solo in game 14 at Ind. (12/19)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Netted 5 tackles (3 solo), including 1 TFL, and a QB hit in the 37-14 victory in game 13 vs. NYG (12/12)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Started and finished with 8 tackles, including 5 solo in game 12 vs. Cin. (12/5)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Subbed (Ravens started the game with 6 DBs) and tied for 2nd on the team with 7 tackles, including 4 solo in game 11 at NE (11/28)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Had 13 tackles, including 10 solo and 2 TFL in the 30-10 win in game 10 vs. Dal. (11/21)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Posted 7 tackles, including 4 solo in the 20-17 OT victory in game 9 at NYJ (11/14)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Started and netted 7 tackles, including 4 solo in game 8 vs. Cle. (11/7)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Recorded 5 tackles (3 solo) in game 7 at Phi. (10/31)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Hartwell also had a FF, hitting Donovan McNabb on the RavensÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ 1-yard line, and Will Demps recovered against the EaglesÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Posted a season-high 14 tackles, including 1 for loss in game 6 vs. Buf. (10/24)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Finished with 7 tackles as the Ravens held the Redskins to 107 total yards (2nd-lowest total in team history), including just 52 yards rushing in game 5 at Was. (10/10)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Recorded 10 tackles (6 solo) in game 4 vs. KC (10/4)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Netted 10 tackles, including 6 solo and 1 QB hit in game 3 at Cin. (9/26)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Finished 2nd on the team with 11 tackles (5 solo) in 30-13 win in game 2 vs. Pit. (9/19)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Started at LB and tied for 2nd on the team with 9 tackles (5 solo), including 1 for loss in game 1 at Cle. (9/12).

WhoDat · 03-02-2005, 01:08 PM

How can we not at least TRY and get this guy?

\"We\'re\" the New Orleans Saints. That\'s how.

03-02-2005, 11:31 AM	#1
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Hartwell Moves... today or tomorrow likely his agent says. from the baltimoresun.com- Lewis provided a grimmer outlook on the chances of inside linebacker Ed Hartwell returning to the Ravens. Hartwell has made 472 tackles over the past three seasons, a total surpassed by only Ray Lewis (510). "He loves Baltimore, the fans there, the coaching staff and his teammates. But there's zero chance of him re-signing because it's Ray Lewis' team," said Harold Lewis, indicating Hartwell could sign with another team today or tomorrow. ---reminds me of an aerosmith song... "dream on, dream on, dream on"

03-02-2005, 11:48 AM	#2
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Hartwell Moves... while on LBs that COULD be had... The Eagles do want Trotter back, but all indications are that the offer they\'ve put on the table has not satisfied the linebacker or his agent, Jimmy Sexton. The Eagles have tried for two days to get in touch with Sexton, but as of 8 o\'clock last night the agent had not returned their phone calls. Sexton did not return a phone call from The Inquirer yesterday. A league source said last night that Sexton has informed Trotter that he is probably going to have to go elsewhere if he wants to sign the kind of deal he is looking for. Two league sources have said that the Kansas City Chiefs are prepared to make an offer to Trotter. What would the Eagles do without Trotter? It\'s possible they could sign a free-agent linebacker, such as Baltimore\'s Edgerton Hartwell or Washington\'s Antonio Pierce. In addition to the Chiefs, it\'s possible the Vikings will make a run at Trotter: They have a lot of salary-cap room and need a strong presence in the middle. ----i forgot we have plenty of lb presence one side to the other.

03-02-2005, 11:51 AM	#3
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Hartwell Moves... Hartwell has made 472 tackles over the past three seasons, a total surpassed by only Ray Lewis (510). WOW!! Ray Lewis only has 38 more tackles than Hartwell over a 3-year period?!?! How can we not at least TRY and get this guy?
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03-02-2005, 11:54 AM	#4
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Hartwell Moves... Hartwell has made 472 tackles over the past three seasons, a total surpassed by only Ray Lewis (510). WOW!! Ray Lewis only has 38 more tackles than Hartwell over a 3-year period?!?! How can we not at least TRY and get this guy? Because the Saints are probably looking at Roman Phifer(ala Bryan Cox). :casstet:
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03-02-2005, 11:55 AM	#5
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Hartwell Moves... yeah-nobody really talks about us much..or the falcons or the hawks or the hornets or the braves... gets on my nerves.
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03-02-2005, 12:07 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,723	Hartwell Moves... If we ran a 3-4 I\'d love this guy. But even with his 4.8/no coverage ability I\'d still be happy with him. At least he\'d bring attitude with him, and a chip on his shoulder from playing under Lewis\'s shadow for so long. But since he\'s a better fit for a 3-4, and we run a 4-3, I expect we\'ll sign him tomorow.

03-02-2005, 12:13 PM	#7
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	Hartwell Moves... i think if it is a do nothing/little free agency and the first two teams on the schedule run for 300 yds, it sounds like your optimistic zeal may take a new direction billy. i\'m not for bashing. it is just that the need of some of these moves look all too obvious to me. crunch time with the cap is really gonna kick in next season and the one after. it is a time to push and push hard now. a hartwell, trotter, or pierce (the best for the buck imo) would make a strong statement as an organization for winning. nothing would help the team in negotiations with the state more than that either. 32-32 with the last ranked D in the league and maintaining the status quo will have opposite results.

03-02-2005, 12:21 PM	#8
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Hartwell Moves... Edgerton Hartwell: Transactions: Edgerton Hartwell re-signed with the Baltimore Ravens on 5/17/04...Was originally selected by the Ravens with their fourth round pick (126th overall) in the 2001 NFL draft. Pro Summary: Chosen by Sports Illustrated as the NFLÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢s best LB to stuff the run on 4th-and-inches plays, Hartwell is a throwback who can fight through the blocks of the G and CÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Finished 2nd on the team with 140 tackles, and added 3 sacks, 5 PDs, 2 FFs and 1 INT in 2003ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Led the team with 191 tackles in 2002, becoming the only player other than Ray Lewis to lead the team in tackles in franchise historyÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Hard-nosed player who enjoyed a breakout season in 2002ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Named AFC Player of the Week after he led the team with 15 tackles in a 13-12 win over Tennessee in game 11ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Saw action in 16 games and 2 postseason games in 2001ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Recorded 9 total special teams tacklesÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Selected by the Ravens as their 4th-round pick (126th overall) in the 2001 NFL Draft. Quote: \"Ed is a legitimate inside linebacker who can back up Ray Lewis and contribute on special teams. He had a solid and productive college career. Everything on film showed that he was a playmaker.\" - Phil Savage, Ravens\' Director of Player Personnel, on Hartwell 2004 Led the Ravens with 11 tackles (7 solo) in the 30-23 victory in the season finale vs. Mia. (1/2/05)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Finished 2nd on the team with 13 tackles, including 10 solo in game 15 at Pit. (12/26)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Netted 4 tackles, including 3 solo in game 14 at Ind. (12/19)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Netted 5 tackles (3 solo), including 1 TFL, and a QB hit in the 37-14 victory in game 13 vs. NYG (12/12)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Started and finished with 8 tackles, including 5 solo in game 12 vs. Cin. (12/5)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Subbed (Ravens started the game with 6 DBs) and tied for 2nd on the team with 7 tackles, including 4 solo in game 11 at NE (11/28)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Had 13 tackles, including 10 solo and 2 TFL in the 30-10 win in game 10 vs. Dal. (11/21)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Posted 7 tackles, including 4 solo in the 20-17 OT victory in game 9 at NYJ (11/14)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Started and netted 7 tackles, including 4 solo in game 8 vs. Cle. (11/7)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Recorded 5 tackles (3 solo) in game 7 at Phi. (10/31)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Hartwell also had a FF, hitting Donovan McNabb on the RavensÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢ 1-yard line, and Will Demps recovered against the EaglesÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Posted a season-high 14 tackles, including 1 for loss in game 6 vs. Buf. (10/24)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Finished with 7 tackles as the Ravens held the Redskins to 107 total yards (2nd-lowest total in team history), including just 52 yards rushing in game 5 at Was. (10/10)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Recorded 10 tackles (6 solo) in game 4 vs. KC (10/4)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Netted 10 tackles, including 6 solo and 1 QB hit in game 3 at Cin. (9/26)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Finished 2nd on the team with 11 tackles (5 solo) in 30-13 win in game 2 vs. Pit. (9/19)ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã‚Â¦Started at LB and tied for 2nd on the team with 9 tackles (5 solo), including 1 for loss in game 1 at Cle. (9/12).
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03-02-2005, 01:08 PM	#9
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Hartwell Moves... How can we not at least TRY and get this guy? \"We\'re\" the New Orleans Saints. That\'s how.
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