Safety a bigger Saints priority than you might think in NFL draft

04-21-2016, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Agreed. DT, DE, OLB, OG, WR and even CB are bigger needs than a back-up safety.

However... if by some miracle Jalen Ramsey is freakishly there at 12, I'm pushing people out of the way to get that pick in.

This would be a great pick. CB/S would be covered for a while. But, could you imagine the trade offers that would be coming in? Someone would be willing to throw a ton of picks to move up and get him. I'm still calling for a surprise pick in the 1st. My shocker is Jack Conklin OT/OG Michigan St. With the depth in the draft at D-line and CB I feel he will be swooped up quick. He can play everything on the O-line if needed.

K Major · 04-21-2016, 10:38 AM

I hadn't mentioned Jalen Ramsey much because I don't expect him to slip past pick #5. Nice try though.

blackangold · 04-21-2016, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

This would be a great pick. CB/S would be covered for a while. But, could you imagine the trade offers that would be coming in? Someone would be willing to throw a ton of picks to move up and get him. I'm still calling for a surprise pick in the 1st. My shocker is Jack Conklin OT/OG Michigan St. With the depth in the draft at D-line and CB I feel he will be swooped up quick. He can play everything on the O-line if needed.

Don't think OG would be a complete shocker... at least not to me.

DE is a must though, we have no talent at the position that can play every down opposite of Cam Jordan. There are only 3 43 DEs in the draft whom could start day 1.

|Mitch| · 04-21-2016, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Don't think OG would be a complete shocker... at least not to me.

Armstead - Lelito - Unger - Conklin - Strief/Peat

Looks like a pretty decent line, with a strong interior(where Drew needs it the most); on paper at least.

K Major · 04-21-2016, 12:40 PM

Still need another guard. Hopefully Ireland and co address this next week.

Cruize · 04-21-2016, 01:33 PM

Safety is not a need in a weak draft group, while there's lots of good D talent elsewhere, which is a need.

hagan714 · 04-21-2016, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

Which two?

wet dream
Jalen Ramsey, S/CB, Florida State, 6005, 209 4.41

Starter talent and smarts out side of round 1?

As FS/SS/CB R2/3
Sean Davis DB Maryland 6011 201 4.46

For a SS/FS/CB R4/5
Justin Simmons DB Boston College 6025 201 4.53

these two later in the draft are solid options.
Juston Burris FS/SS/CB /NC STATE 6002 212 4.54
Mike Jordan, CB/FS, Missouri Western 6006 200 4.50

these 4 really stick out to me because of football IQ, sound fundamentals, played and produced all over the secondary for their teams.

there are a few more but need some coaching
LeShaun Sims CB/FS Southern Utah 6004 203
James Bradberry CB/FS Samford 6006 211

Then there are these hybrid types. a little less flexible
Darian Thompson FS/SS Boise St 6017 208 4.56
Clayton Fejedelem S Illinios 6000 205 4.51
Miles Killebrew SS/LB Southern Utah 6017 217 4.51
Jayron Kearse SS/OLB Clemson 6040 216 4.62

I disagree 100% with the national media scouts. This is a great year for hybrid safeties that can fill multiple roles from day 1. IMO the nation media has not evolved in dealing with pass happy NFL in the secondary when talking about safeties. they are still scouting safeties old school style. That is why i was beating a drum for the saints to stay at 24 in 2014 and take Deon Buchanan. He was the hydride FS/SS/LB we needed.

Actually it may turn out to be the year of the safeties and not the DL. I have not mentioned some of the talent that are strictly a FS or SS for the most part. There are more than a few really good starter potential players out there this year. check back in 3 years to see who is right.

There is no reason not only to upgrade the DL but the secondary as well in this draft. no excuses.

Rugby Saint II · 04-21-2016, 04:32 PM

Let's not get another tweener. Let's get a sure fire corner or a sure fire safety(preferably a free safety). Let's get someone who excels at one position or the other.

It's not the same as having a guard who can play center or tackle though.imo

Now, in rugby we play multiple positions but it is a different sport where we play both offense and defense.

WillSaints81 · 04-21-2016, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

wet dream
Jalen Ramsey, S/CB, Florida State, 6005, 209 4.41

Starter talent and smarts out side of round 1?

As FS/SS/CB R2/3
Sean Davis DB Maryland 6011 201 4.46

For a SS/FS/CB R4/5
Justin Simmons DB Boston College 6025 201 4.53

these two later in the draft are solid options.
Juston Burris FS/SS/CB /NC STATE 6002 212 4.54
Mike Jordan, CB/FS, Missouri Western 6006 200 4.50

these 4 really stick out to me because of football IQ, sound fundamentals, played and produced all over the secondary for their teams.

there are a few more but need some coaching
LeShaun Sims CB/FS Southern Utah 6004 203
James Bradberry CB/FS Samford 6006 211

Then there are these hybrid types. a little less flexible
Darian Thompson FS/SS Boise St 6017 208 4.56
Clayton Fejedelem S Illinios 6000 205 4.51
Miles Killebrew SS/LB Southern Utah 6017 217 4.51
Jayron Kearse SS/OLB Clemson 6040 216 4.62

I disagree 100% with the national media scouts. This is a great year for hybrid safeties that can fill multiple roles from day 1. IMO the nation media has not evolved in dealing with pass happy NFL in the secondary when talking about safeties. they are still scouting safeties old school style. That is why i was beating a drum for the saints to stay at 24 in 2014 and take Deon Buchanan. He was the hydride FS/SS/LB we needed.

Actually it may turn out to be the year of the safeties and not the DL. I have not mentioned some of the talent that are strictly a FS or SS for the most part. There are more than a few really good starter potential players out there this year. check back in 3 years to see who is right.

There is no reason not only to upgrade the DL but the secondary as well in this draft. no excuses.

Football IQ is not necassary for rookies who don't understand anything about the pro scheme. They just need to know their role until they are ready to take on a bigger role.

04-21-2016, 10:10 AM	#11
Threaded by voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,770 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Danno Agreed. DT, DE, OLB, OG, WR and even CB are bigger needs than a back-up safety. However... if by some miracle Jalen Ramsey is freakishly there at 12, I'm pushing people out of the way to get that pick in. This would be a great pick. CB/S would be covered for a while. But, could you imagine the trade offers that would be coming in? Someone would be willing to throw a ton of picks to move up and get him. I'm still calling for a surprise pick in the 1st. My shocker is Jack Conklin OT/OG Michigan St. With the depth in the draft at D-line and CB I feel he will be swooped up quick. He can play everything on the O-line if needed.
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04-21-2016, 10:38 AM	#12
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Safety a bigger Saints priority than you might think in NFL draft I hadn't mentioned Jalen Ramsey much because I don't expect him to slip past pick #5. Nice try though.

04-21-2016, 12:08 PM	#13
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Safety a bigger Saints priority than you might think in NFL draft Originally Posted by voodooido This would be a great pick. CB/S would be covered for a while. But, could you imagine the trade offers that would be coming in? Someone would be willing to throw a ton of picks to move up and get him. I'm still calling for a surprise pick in the 1st. My shocker is Jack Conklin OT/OG Michigan St. With the depth in the draft at D-line and CB I feel he will be swooped up quick. He can play everything on the O-line if needed. Don't think OG would be a complete shocker... at least not to me. DE is a must though, we have no talent at the position that can play every down opposite of Cam Jordan. There are only 3 43 DEs in the draft whom could start day 1.

04-21-2016, 12:18 PM	#14
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Safety a bigger Saints priority than you might think in NFL draft Originally Posted by blackangold Don't think OG would be a complete shocker... at least not to me. Armstead - Lelito - Unger - Conklin - Strief/Peat Looks like a pretty decent line, with a strong interior(where Drew needs it the most); on paper at least.

04-21-2016, 12:40 PM	#15
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Safety a bigger Saints priority than you might think in NFL draft Still need another guard. Hopefully Ireland and co address this next week.

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04-21-2016, 02:41 PM	#17
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Safety a bigger Saints priority than you might think in NFL draft Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| Which two? wet dream Jalen Ramsey, S/CB, Florida State, 6005, 209 4.41 Starter talent and smarts out side of round 1? As FS/SS/CB R2/3 Sean Davis DB Maryland 6011 201 4.46 For a SS/FS/CB R4/5 Justin Simmons DB Boston College 6025 201 4.53 these two later in the draft are solid options. Juston Burris FS/SS/CB /NC STATE 6002 212 4.54 Mike Jordan, CB/FS, Missouri Western 6006 200 4.50 these 4 really stick out to me because of football IQ, sound fundamentals, played and produced all over the secondary for their teams. there are a few more but need some coaching LeShaun Sims CB/FS Southern Utah 6004 203 James Bradberry CB/FS Samford 6006 211 Then there are these hybrid types. a little less flexible Darian Thompson FS/SS Boise St 6017 208 4.56 Clayton Fejedelem S Illinios 6000 205 4.51 Miles Killebrew SS/LB Southern Utah 6017 217 4.51 Jayron Kearse SS/OLB Clemson 6040 216 4.62 I disagree 100% with the national media scouts. This is a great year for hybrid safeties that can fill multiple roles from day 1. IMO the nation media has not evolved in dealing with pass happy NFL in the secondary when talking about safeties. they are still scouting safeties old school style. That is why i was beating a drum for the saints to stay at 24 in 2014 and take Deon Buchanan. He was the hydride FS/SS/LB we needed. Actually it may turn out to be the year of the safeties and not the DL. I have not mentioned some of the talent that are strictly a FS or SS for the most part. There are more than a few really good starter potential players out there this year. check back in 3 years to see who is right. There is no reason not only to upgrade the DL but the secondary as well in this draft. no excuses.
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04-21-2016, 04:32 PM	#18
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Safety a bigger Saints priority than you might think in NFL draft Let's not get another tweener. Let's get a sure fire corner or a sure fire safety(preferably a free safety). Let's get someone who excels at one position or the other. It's not the same as having a guard who can play center or tackle though.imo Now, in rugby we play multiple positions but it is a different sport where we play both offense and defense.

04-21-2016, 06:01 PM	#19
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Safety a bigger Saints priority than you might think in NFL draft Originally Posted by hagan714 wet dream Jalen Ramsey, S/CB, Florida State, 6005, 209 4.41 Starter talent and smarts out side of round 1? As FS/SS/CB R2/3 Sean Davis DB Maryland 6011 201 4.46 For a SS/FS/CB R4/5 Justin Simmons DB Boston College 6025 201 4.53 these two later in the draft are solid options. Juston Burris FS/SS/CB /NC STATE 6002 212 4.54 Mike Jordan, CB/FS, Missouri Western 6006 200 4.50 these 4 really stick out to me because of football IQ, sound fundamentals, played and produced all over the secondary for their teams. there are a few more but need some coaching LeShaun Sims CB/FS Southern Utah 6004 203 James Bradberry CB/FS Samford 6006 211 Then there are these hybrid types. a little less flexible Darian Thompson FS/SS Boise St 6017 208 4.56 Clayton Fejedelem S Illinios 6000 205 4.51 Miles Killebrew SS/LB Southern Utah 6017 217 4.51 Jayron Kearse SS/OLB Clemson 6040 216 4.62 I disagree 100% with the national media scouts. This is a great year for hybrid safeties that can fill multiple roles from day 1. IMO the nation media has not evolved in dealing with pass happy NFL in the secondary when talking about safeties. they are still scouting safeties old school style. That is why i was beating a drum for the saints to stay at 24 in 2014 and take Deon Buchanan. He was the hydride FS/SS/LB we needed. Actually it may turn out to be the year of the safeties and not the DL. I have not mentioned some of the talent that are strictly a FS or SS for the most part. There are more than a few really good starter potential players out there this year. check back in 3 years to see who is right. There is no reason not only to upgrade the DL but the secondary as well in this draft. no excuses. Football IQ is not necassary for rookies who don't understand anything about the pro scheme. They just need to know their role until they are ready to take on a bigger role.

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