Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

I was born in 1958 and I've went to games at Tulane Stadium. Archie ran out away from pressure. Brees would move in the pocket away from the pressure. Aaron Brooks moved in the pocket better.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Will the draft get here already?

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Well, I'm not going to say that I'm the biggest Mike Florio fan, but he is one of the few in the media that didn't rush to judgement re: the Bountygate Beatdown...

In fact, he has continued to reference it and pretty much called bullshinski on what Goodell did and how he did it; he still references it, not allowing it to die...

That said, I feel his article re: what's happened is timely and his analysis re: Brees and Tom Condon and their motives for leaking his willingness is dead on...

Among his valid points - if Brees was so interested in signing an team-first, accommodating contract, why did he not leak that or state that publicly before free agency began...

Or even last season when a left guard Clint Boling was available at a reasonable salary...

And don't think it doesn't affect the locker room - Junior Galette's tweet to Josh Norman of the Jimmy John's delivery car was a veiled suggestion to some of the resentment, valid or invalid, but very real toward's the Brees/Condon contract that limited the Saints in retaining players and acquiring needed fresh troops via free agency...

And for Florio, who has amassed a very credible media reputation to publish such a column, you can bet he verified there's definitely fire from this smoke...

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

He said out loud on multiple occasions last year that he would absolutely consider restructuring if it would help the team. I remember it vividly and there are threads somewhere here in the archives. Florio is just doing what sports reporters are paid to do. Generating interest and speculation.

What did Jr tweet?

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Why in hell would we give a crap how well he does with anyone else? You get him as far away from the division as possible, even if it's on a crap team.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

This to me is the real issue. hate to put any stress on Drew but if he wants another super bowl here in new orleans he has to accept one simple fact. teams do not win with one player sucking up such a large percentage of a cap.

How much is enough till winning is the main issue? not like he has not been paid already.

IMO this is were Drew's legacy will be solidified or broken with the fans of the saints.

Does he have what it takes to be Tom Brady of the New Orleans?

Win or lose Tom has solidified his history here in New England as not only a player on the field but at the negotiation table as well. He is loved for his unselfishness and understanding of the big picture. .

This is why old timers love Archie. He proved his love the fans and the city in so many ways. If Drew wants what Archie has this is the moment of truth.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Wow. So Jr is still butt hurt. Sounds like sour grapes. He hated being shown the door so much he is still taking shots. I guess it's a longer offseason when you spend a season on IR.

**** you JR.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Junior may be the only person in the world I really wish serious harm upon... and there are plenty of people who I don't much care for. That a**hole though.. if he stepped out into traffic and got smashed into pieces I would probably laugh.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Because I'm a Brees fan first and want him to get another ring before he's done, regardless of where he's at.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

So it is Brees' fault the team has so much cap tied up in players that are gone, i.e. Gallette, Browner, Graham, or players that haven't produced, i.e. Byrd?

Brees is in a no win situation: If he says up front he will re-structure to bring in a player, he will get slammed for ringing his own bell.

If he doesn't say anything publicly but the Saints know he will re-structure and for whatever reason can't get the deal done he will get slammed for being greedy.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Brees's contract is not the issue. Poor contracts to players with way too much guaranteed...We have as much as Drew's contract sitting in frigan dead money. Poor drafts coupled with terrible player decisions and dead money is the issue.

Every QB in the NFL makes large sums of money now. Even **** sandwich qb's

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Brees is about Brees. I understand it. I don't blame him. I'm not saying he's wrong. But, at any point, if he wanted to take a cap friendly deal, he would have done so already. If he wants to blame that on the front office in relation to how they've spent Mr. Benson's money, he's being conveniently disingenuous. Not completely incorrect but totally self-serving.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

He took a cap friendly deal when the contract started thats why the hit is what it is now. The team decided to back loaded it and save money early. Its not like he asked for a increase,he is still being paid $20ml a year we just asked him to take the money late

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Has Junior played a down since we cut him?

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

I think the one he got hurt on, in practice lol. Torn Achilles, right? That's generally the type of injury tHat keeps on giving. I honestly wonder how quickly he'll pull that bad boy again?

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

I hear he said this year he plans to buckle down and belt out extra reps during off-season work-outs.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Problem number one was giving him enough money to buy a belt.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

You are a fan of a player over the team?

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Exactly. Brees didn't make big money deals with players who haven't panned out. We wouldn't be having this conversation at all if the Jr situation hadn't happened. All teams have players or two with huge contracts. It can be done.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

I will repeat this for the 10th time (?) ...

... there is no reason to finalize a Brees extension until AFTER the draft. I have been saying this for at least two months now.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

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Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

This thread is simply painful! I want my click back!

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Consider the source.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

No QB makes 30 million a year. Brady, Luck, Scam Newton, Manning, Matty lice all make no where near it. And 3 of those names saw the Super Bowl the past 3 years. It is about one player making 30 million.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

It would of allowed us to bring in some more above avg players.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

There weren't any "above" average players that we needed in free agency. Lauriniatis was the top rated OLB FA. Fairley was the top rated DT FA. Fleener was the #2 rated TE FA behind Antonio Gates.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

ALL of those QB's have contracts that pay more per year on average than Brees' deal.

:rolleyes:

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Not to mention; if they were wanted Loomis will make it happen. Just like with Norman... Even though I'm thinking the Redskins over-payed a little

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

You may want to look things up and read my post before posting. It saves you from looking stupid. I said his 30 million cap hit this year. Look at the link below. His cap hit is 30. The second is Manning with 24.5.:dunce:. No one said anything about avg. Avg means nothing to us this year seeing it is Brees last year. Sheesh.


http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/...t/quarterback/

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

I know what you were talking about. You are the one that couldn't understand the meaning of my post. What I was pointing out was that you cannot look at a contract as a snapshot. Yes, 30 million of the 100 million hits this season, but over the term of the contract he makes less per year than any of those QB's. We have floated through the first four years with Brees collecting far less on average than any of those other QB's.

But that is all moot as this year's potential cap hit can and will be mitigated by an extension after the draft. It is NOT Brees' last year as you put it.

Now who is the :dunce:

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Well there is a reason its so high this year
Year 1 $10,400,000
Year 2 $17,400,000
Year 3 $18,400,000

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Good Lord, the past years mean nothing to the 30 million cap hit this year. Again, HE IS MAKING 5.5 MILLION MORE THAN ANY QB THIS YEAR. Manning is at 24.5 million. I don't give a crap about years in the past. His hit this year has kept the Saints from bringing in a Guard, WR, CB, Safety, A Kicker that is worth keeping and a DE. I could go on and on about what his cap hit is doing to us THIS YEAR.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

That's where you are totally wrong. That $30 million figure is meaningless. It can be turned into a $10 figure with the finalizing of a contract extension. If the Saints front office felt like there was a player worthy of making a major move in free agency they would have already finished the Brees deal. What you don't get is that there was nothing out there on the open market that did not have the potential to turn into another Browner disaster. You are hung up on the fictitious $30 million that is in no way causing any sort of cap strain. On the contrary, it is basically a reserve account that can be tapped whenever the need arises.

As I have been preaching for the past two months, or more, there is no reason whatsoever to tap that account until after the draft. Why waste it on stupid free agent moves?

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

In addition, Brees hasn't made a penny this season. You are stating that he makes $5.5M more than any other QB this year. Once again ... wrong. Players only get paid during the regular season, so until the first game of the season their contracts have little bearing. You have no idea what his actual annual salary is going to be until September. Until then the $30 million figure that you are hung up on means nothing.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Except that it actually does.
And this is Brees' fault exactly how? It's a contract that both parties agreed to. A contract that is specifically designed to never go into the last year of. See that is easy, simply look at the difference of the cap and the dead money. Any year the cap is less than the dead money is a year the team expects to pay the cap hit. All other years are a restructure or cut year. With Brees the first 4 years of the contract were upside down. Not the last year. If the Saints choose to go into the last year of this contract, then exactly how is this Brees' problem?
So you are saying that you don't give a crap about Brees being the QB for this franchise then? That in fact the Saints should have let him go in 2012 instead of giving him an extension?

All NFL contracts are about cap management. Contracts are cap friendly early and cap difficult at the end. The point is to give cap relief while it's clear that the player is worth paying, putting off paying the piper until the end of the contract.

But this is a situation where the player has lived up to, or outplayed the contract. It's time to pay the piper.

You do know that the point is moot. It became moot on February 10th when $10+ million of Brees' 2016 salary became guaranteed. Up until then the dead money was $10 million while the cap hit was $30 million. So clearly that is a cut or extend situation. Even with the additional $10 million on the books, the cap hit still outpaces the dead money by $10 million. Given that let's look at the Saints options:

1. Pay Brees his $20 million salary this year with the $30 million cap hit, and roll the dice after the season that they can find a way to retain his services or start over.

2. Cut Brees now, eat the $20 million cap hit already on the books, and start over.

3. Extend Brees at somewhere near market value and spread out the cap hit over 3-4 more years.

So which path do you choose?
That's on the team, not the player. The whole point of a whopping $30 million cap hit, which BTW was exacerbated by Brees' $5.2 million restructure last year, is to get the team to come to the table and figure out something reasonable for the next 3-4 years.

Brees has outplayed his current contract. He has put up top 3 HOF numbers for the last 4 years. If he didn't, he'd already be gone and the team would have $20+ million more to spend on those priorities you outlined.

So to summarize, neither you nor the Saints can have it both ways. There's no way to have a HOF elite QB and pay journeyman money for it.

The difference is that the Saints do understand that. Which is why they will either pay the $30 million this year, and negotiate a new contract next year, or they will extend Brees 3-4 more years at close to market (which is nearly $23 million a year now) and free up some more cap dollars now.

I just find it fascinating how the player gets blamed for living up to their contract. Or how the team is blamed for actually getting a good deal over a 5 year contract.

SFIAH

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

What he said.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

I think that first video proved another posters point.. Number 57 for the 49ers should've been charged with aggravated assault. In that video montage, six of those seven hits shown on Manning would be illegal today... It would be amazing to see what Archie could have done under Sean Payton

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Valid point...

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

I call BS. Smoke screen to try to get another defensive player to fall because someone reached for a QB.

We draft another QB in maybe the 2018 draft