Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

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Reads like this make me sick. If this is true (big if) they need to trade him now for multiple draft picks. Next year we will receive nothing but cap room. Trade him to the Browns for their 42 draft picks or let him walk next year.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

I don't want him to go to the browns.

I would ony want him traded to Denver, KC(they have no weapons though), Philadelphia, Minnesota(but they just had their turn), and Chicago. If he goes to the AFC east he's in the division with an even eliter qb and that would hurt him even though jets would be a good fit for him. How about trade for Dalton in Cincy?

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

What hurts the Saints is crappy draft after crappy draft after crappy draft after crappy draft after crappy draft....
and I could start with crappy Free Agents too.

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:roflmao: :roflmao:

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How about we all calm down.

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38 in 9 months. He;s not exactly a spring chicken is he. Paying 30 million is insane, paying 47 next season would be plain stupid. Cant'say that doesn't hurt and at 38 a long term deal hopefully gets someone fired.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

It appears to me that Norman went to the highest bidder; why isn't he being called out for being greedy like Brees is in the PFT article?

Washington will only sniff the playoffs because the rest of the NFC East is as bad as they are.

The Saints defense is the anchor that is dragging the team from at least winning the division!

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Hell no... this is just getting good.

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I don't think Washington wins the division. Giants did make defensive moves. Cowboys have that oline. Giants also fired Coughlin to jump start that team. Eli might be on a short leash.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

he is one of the best to ever lace them up. we will rue the day he retires. He is going no where, and yes he is aging, but you wouldn't know it by his numbers. he nearly hit 5000 yards while missing an entire game. He did that behind an oline that wasn't all that hott and a horrible defense. Meanwhile who were his receivers? You want to know how good he is? watch Ben's numbers with the ravens this year.

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And who will be his receivers next year? The FO is looking like Meachem will be on the field next year and I have no idea who's snaps he takes. The offense didn't do enough though and Streif is gonna get killed by what we have next year.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

I didn't say Washington will win the division.

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look if wants to play games i am on record as saying he is not god at this point in his career. This is not a Archie type of situation. from a business stand point time to cash in is close at hand

If he was to be traded then the manner in which he gets traded is up to Drew and his agents demands.

Trade to a contender of the highest bidder is all up to him at this point.

It is all up to him.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Calm down

First the article is written by Mike Florio

The guy's reputation is to stir up by speculating the worst bad blood and project gloom and doom to sell papers. He has been saying Brees is washed up and greedy for years.

The Saints smartly are not showing their hand, particularly right before draft day. Drew will take less and deservedly retire a Saint (no Montana or Farve situation - they had strong backups and less ties to their city)

Nothing to see here move along

The reason we didn't sign Norman (and I am glad we didn't) was $53 million in guaranteed money - that is ridiculous. Josh is fortunately out of the division and Brandin Cooks will be happy. Between Cooks and Julio they will knock a few games off of the Panthers. Norman will now fade to obscurity (except when he is fighting with OBJ and DEZ) on a mediocre redskins team.

Drew isn't going anywhere and he isn't the greedy bastard they say he is

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Cooks, Sneed, Coleman, Fleener, Hill, Ingram, Cadet, Hightower, draft picks, practice squad, undrafted free agents. I mean take your pick.

It was barely a year ago that Graham was traded. That was followed by all the hand wringing about who would catch the ball. Yet another 4800+ yards later, the hand wringing persists.
There's no guarantee that Streif is going to be playing RT at the start of the season. Also I have absolutely no idea how skill players catching the ball have to do with Strief...

SFIAH

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

No matter, I don't want the Saints committing that much to Brees, regardless of his age, years of wear...

Coach Payton and the FO has little faith in the system they've installed...

We should have been looking to either trade or draft Brees' replacement three years ago...

Brees started breaking down late in the season and if that doesn't wake people up, they're either in denial or in blind fandom-lust...

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I'm wondering if Brees even really wants an extension. Last year For the first time in their career Brees and Payton openly butted heads on the field and in the press. Maybe he wants to see how this season shakes out to see if he thinks he really still has a chance at a ring with the Saints. There is injury risk though.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Kinda early for crazy talk isn't it?

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OK... he is way better than Archie Manning. :bng:

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Trade them all. If we can't trade them, cut them and fill in with FAs. :help:

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Okay, step off, bro...

Archie with Coach Payton, Drew would be lucky to sweep the floors...

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

LOL... I watched them both. Archie had good 2 seasons 78-79 but sucked the rest of the time.
Drew is still King. :nutkick:

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Drew is the best Saint to ever play for our organization and it isn't even close

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I agree but we need him to extend his contract now or trade his butt to a team that has a ton of picks. Next year we get nothing for him.

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Put Archie on the WORST Saints team Brees had to play with and Brees on the BEST Saints team Archie had to play with and see what happens!

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Drew won't go anywhere. Not for at least three to four years. I'm not worried about that. I am a little worried that Drew isn't as team oriented as I hoped and money will be too tight to win a Super bowl while he is under contract.

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Loomis:Zach Streif will be our starting right tackle next year, and for the eleventh time. Fansided(Bleeding Black&Gold).

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This wasn't me saying this. I was providing a link where I got from SR.

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Dude, seriously..stop

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Brees vs Archie -
Accuracy: Brees
Mobility: Archie
Leadership: Brees
Heart: Push

I'll take Brees


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Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

How can you compare Archie/Drew? Different football, different teams; and until someone finds a time machine arguing about it is pointless...

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True, its all opinion, but I've watched football all my life thru the 70's, 80's and 90's and its my opinion that Archie's talents would be phenomenal with today's rules favoring offenses.

It is impossible to compare different era's, but I think Archie would probably be comparable to an Aaron Rodgers in today's NFL.

Perhaps a Steve Young with a stronger arm?

I'd love to hear some of you older guys like me compare him to a current player.

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You pretty much nailed it with the Steve Young comparison...

Today's game would definitely be Andrew Luck...

In fact, watch Luck getting battered and beaten as he has been is making me have Archie flashbacks...

For the Archie haters, you are just tipping your hands that you either didn't watch Archie play or understand little about football...

Think one of you mentioned accuracy?!?

Drew doesn't come close to threading needles; Coach Payton has a brilliant system of timing, whereby Drew throws into buckets on pre-snap reads...

In fact, though he was cut that season, Brees participated in an ill-advised training camp passing competition which Ryan Griffin smoked him...

Brees' strength is in no way his arm, and to suggest is laughable; what he has is a near-perfect grasp of what Coach Payton has installed - that's the strength...

If Archie had been able to develop with Coach Payton, Peyton and Eli would have been chasing Dad's shadow their whole careers...

Archie never had a line, and what receivers or backs he had were sky-high, drunk on game day...

Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?
 

Seeing that Archie did play for some of the worst Saints teams kinda makes that a moot point.

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Your comment dissing Drew's accuracy is laughable and I'm not gonna even provide stats or videos attesting to his accuracy. I grew up watching Archie and I'm a huge fan. Unfortunately he only had 1 or 2 years w a decent team around him. But he was the most accurate qb ever at throwing while running towards his left.

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I say Norman could out QB the both of'em! Bwahahahaha!

And what do you do when ADD strikes?
I usually just laugh my ass off.

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Yeah, I see the Luck comparison as well. Many people just don't understand how gawd awful we were on both sides of the ball.

Just imagine the Spagnuola season, but on both sides of the ball.

I mean how in the **** do you win an NFL Most Valuable Player on an 8-8 team?

Or be voted all pro on a 7-9 team?

I'm not gonna say Arch would be better than Brees, but I damn sure know it would be a virtual tie at worst.

Another thing... I wonder how many current QB's would still be playing today if they took the weekly pummeling that Archie did. Dude got hit 10 times more than David Carr ever did, and he kept on swinging.

Remember the hit Brees took from Ahmad Brooks? It seemed like Archie took one of those every game year after year after year.

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Archie takes the Saints to the Superbowl and throws the winning TD for the other team. :hallucinate:

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Brees wouldn't have lasted 4 years taking hits like Manning did. Manning played when head hunting was legal. Rodger Stawbach even said in an interview if Archie had a line like Dallas had he would have won countless Superbowls. I like Brees but in todays game Archie with that cannon of an arm with a good line and recievers would start over Brees. One of the best to ever be up under center on a pathetic team, sad but true.