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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by |Mitch| How can you compare Archie/Drew? Different football, different teams; and until someone finds a time machine arguing about it is pointless... True, its all opinion, but I've watched football all my life thru the 70's, 80's ...

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Old 04-24-2016, 02:23 PM   #1
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Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?

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How can you compare Archie/Drew? Different football, different teams; and until someone finds a time machine arguing about it is pointless...

True, its all opinion, but I've watched football all my life thru the 70's, 80's and 90's and its my opinion that Archie's talents would be phenomenal with today's rules favoring offenses.

It is impossible to compare different era's, but I think Archie would probably be comparable to an Aaron Rodgers in today's NFL.

Perhaps a Steve Young with a stronger arm?

I'd love to hear some of you older guys like me compare him to a current player.
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Old 04-24-2016, 03:34 PM   #2
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Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?

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True, its all opinion, but I've watched football all my life thru the 70's, 80's and 90's and its my opinion that Archie's talents would be phenomenal with today's rules favoring offenses.

It is impossible to compare different era's, but I think Archie would probably be comparable to an Aaron Rodgers in today's NFL.

Perhaps a Steve Young with a stronger arm?

I'd love to hear some of you older guys like me compare him to a current player.
You pretty much nailed it with the Steve Young comparison...

Today's game would definitely be Andrew Luck...

In fact, watch Luck getting battered and beaten as he has been is making me have Archie flashbacks...

For the Archie haters, you are just tipping your hands that you either didn't watch Archie play or understand little about football...

Think one of you mentioned accuracy?!?

Drew doesn't come close to threading needles; Coach Payton has a brilliant system of timing, whereby Drew throws into buckets on pre-snap reads...

In fact, though he was cut that season, Brees participated in an ill-advised training camp passing competition which Ryan Griffin smoked him...

Brees' strength is in no way his arm, and to suggest is laughable; what he has is a near-perfect grasp of what Coach Payton has installed - that's the strength...

If Archie had been able to develop with Coach Payton, Peyton and Eli would have been chasing Dad's shadow their whole careers...

Archie never had a line, and what receivers or backs he had were sky-high, drunk on game day...

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Old 04-24-2016, 03:59 PM   #3
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Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?

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You pretty much nailed it with the Steve Young comparison...

Today's game would definitely be Andrew Luck...

In fact, watch Luck getting battered and beaten as he has been is making me have Archie flashbacks...

For the Archie haters, you are just tipping your hands that you either didn't watch Archie play or understand little about football...

Think one of you mentioned accuracy?!?

Drew doesn't come close to threading needles; Coach Payton has a brilliant system of timing, whereby Drew throws into buckets on pre-snap reads...

In fact, though he was cut that season, Brees participated in an ill-advised training camp passing competition which Ryan Griffin smoked him...

Brees' strength is in no way his arm, and to suggest is laughable; what he has is a near-perfect grasp of what Coach Payton has installed - that's the strength...

If Archie had been able to develop with Coach Payton, Peyton and Eli would have been chasing Dad's shadow their whole careers...

Archie never had a line, and what receivers or backs he had were sky-high, drunk on game day...
Your comment dissing Drew's accuracy is laughable and I'm not gonna even provide stats or videos attesting to his accuracy. I grew up watching Archie and I'm a huge fan. Unfortunately he only had 1 or 2 years w a decent team around him. But he was the most accurate qb ever at throwing while running towards his left.

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Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?

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You pretty much nailed it with the Steve Young comparison...

Today's game would definitely be Andrew Luck...

In fact, watch Luck getting battered and beaten as he has been is making me have Archie flashbacks...

For the Archie haters, you are just tipping your hands that you either didn't watch Archie play or understand little about football...

Think one of you mentioned accuracy?!?

Drew doesn't come close to threading needles; Coach Payton has a brilliant system of timing, whereby Drew throws into buckets on pre-snap reads...

In fact, though he was cut that season, Brees participated in an ill-advised training camp passing competition which Ryan Griffin smoked him...

Brees' strength is in no way his arm, and to suggest is laughable; what he has is a near-perfect grasp of what Coach Payton has installed - that's the strength...

If Archie had been able to develop with Coach Payton, Peyton and Eli would have been chasing Dad's shadow their whole careers...

Archie never had a line, and what receivers or backs he had were sky-high, drunk on game day...
Yeah, I see the Luck comparison as well. Many people just don't understand how gawd awful we were on both sides of the ball.

Just imagine the Spagnuola season, but on both sides of the ball.

I mean how in the **** do you win an NFL Most Valuable Player on an 8-8 team?

Or be voted all pro on a 7-9 team?

I'm not gonna say Arch would be better than Brees, but I damn sure know it would be a virtual tie at worst.

Another thing... I wonder how many current QB's would still be playing today if they took the weekly pummeling that Archie did. Dude got hit 10 times more than David Carr ever did, and he kept on swinging.

Remember the hit Brees took from Ahmad Brooks? It seemed like Archie took one of those every game year after year after year.


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Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?

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True, its all opinion, but I've watched football all my life thru the 70's, 80's and 90's and its my opinion that Archie's talents would be phenomenal with today's rules favoring offenses.

It is impossible to compare different era's, but I think Archie would probably be comparable to an Aaron Rodgers in today's NFL.

Perhaps a Steve Young with a stronger arm?

I'd love to hear some of you older guys like me compare him to a current player.
I was born in 1958 and I've went to games at Tulane Stadium. Archie ran out away from pressure. Brees would move in the pocket away from the pressure. Aaron Brooks moved in the pocket better.





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Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?

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I was born in 1958 and I've went to games at Tulane Stadium. Archie ran out away from pressure. Brees would move in the pocket away from the pressure. Aaron Brooks moved in the pocket better.


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I think that first video proved another posters point.. Number 57 for the 49ers should've been charged with aggravated assault. In that video montage, six of those seven hits shown on Manning would be illegal today... It would be amazing to see what Archie could have done under Sean Payton
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Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?

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I was born in 1958 and I've went to games at Tulane Stadium. Archie ran out away from pressure. Brees would move in the pocket away from the pressure. Aaron Brooks moved in the pocket better.
Forever, just like your statement above- ARCHIE NEVER HAD A POCKET TO SPEAK OF!
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Re: Looks like the Norman situation opened some issues with Brees?

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Forever, just like your statement above- ARCHIE NEVER HAD A POCKET TO SPEAK OF!
God i remember those days. I think he still running.
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