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WillSaints81 04-26-2016 03:30 PM

So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/...ft-shaking-out

Danno 04-26-2016 04:13 PM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
He's wrong

burningmetal 04-26-2016 04:51 PM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
I hope he's wrong. No evidence to prove he is, yet.

Papa Voodoo 04-26-2016 04:55 PM

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He should, at minimum, be a solid RG.

RaginCajun83 04-26-2016 04:57 PM

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that clueless idiot is so wrong

Rugby Saint II 04-26-2016 05:01 PM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
Well, Peat hasn't exactly shined yet. But I believe that he's going to.

ChrisXVI 04-26-2016 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 700728)
that clueless idiot is so wrong

You sound like you're Andrus Peat's dad. I don't believe the Saints really wanted Peat... They were just stuck.

Euphoria 04-26-2016 05:08 PM

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I haven't seen that much to prove him wrong yet.

RaginCajun83 04-26-2016 05:10 PM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
its LaCanfora, when was the last time he was right?

burningmetal 04-26-2016 05:11 PM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 700728)
that clueless idiot is so wrong

Are you mad at the guy just because he didn't compliment one of our players? Because Peat hasn't proven a thing. That doesn't mean he won't, but until he does, you can't say the scout is wrong. I personally never liked the pick, but that's another story.

burningmetal 04-26-2016 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 700735)
its LaCanfora, when was the last time he was right?

La Canfora isn't the scout. He's writing about the scout.

Danno 04-26-2016 05:21 PM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
Peat looked very good at times, and struggled at times.

There's no evidence either way about how good or bad he'll be.

My opinion is he's a typical rookie that looked lost at times, and looked great at times, which a lot of rookies do. The fact that he's looked good tells me he just needs to be more consistent and work on his game.

Picking the top 2 or 3 OT in any draft is never a bad idea.

halloween 65 04-26-2016 05:38 PM

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I expect him to step up alot more this season. He needs to validate that high pick we used on him.

Cruize 04-26-2016 05:43 PM

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I understand it. But, I've never been of fan of giving a 1st rd pick a pass because he's a rookie. If a team selects you in the first round, with the exception of a QB late, you should start and contribute from day 1. If not, it was a mistake to take you. You don't draft potential, except a QB, in the first round. You draft someone who you can plug in and play somewhere on your team.

spkb25 04-26-2016 06:00 PM

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I fully expect him to start this year

dizzle88 04-26-2016 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 700746)
I understand it. But, I've never been of fan of giving a 1st rd pick a pass because he's a rookie. If a team selects you in the first round, with the exception of a QB late, you should start and contribute from day 1. If not, it was a mistake to take you. You don't draft potential, except a QB, in the first round. You draft someone who you can plug in and play somewhere on your team.

It's all really hit and miss

You have first round picks that don't start straight away and you have late round picks that contribute straight away

I mean who among us could see Marques Colston, Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks and many others would make such a big contribution from the start.

For every one of those, your going to have a Andrus Peat and Robert Meachem, high draft pick that doesn't start straight away.

burningmetal 04-26-2016 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 700739)
Peat looked very good at times, and struggled at times.

There's no evidence either way about how good or bad he'll be.

My opinion is he's a typical rookie that looked lost at times, and looked great at times, which a lot of rookies do. The fact that he's looked good tells me he just needs to be more consistent and work on his game.

Picking the top 2 or 3 OT in any draft is never a bad idea.

I guess we have different opinions on what great is. I didn't personally see anything close to greatness, even in flashes, out of him. When I form an opinion on a rookie, I do take into account the learning curve. But there is a certain level of play that should be expected of a high first rounder. I never thought he was good enough to be drafted that high in the first place. And from what I saw, he did not play up to what I would expect from that type of prospect.

I'm not calling him a bust yet. I'll let it play out. But I really think we'll be doing well if he just becomes solid.

halloween 65 04-26-2016 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 700752)
I guess we have different opinions on what great is. I didn't personally see anything close to greatness, even in flashes, out of him. When I form an opinion on a rookie, I do take into account the learning curve. But there is a certain level of play that should be expected of a high first rounder. I never thought he was good enough to be drafted that high in the first place. And from what I saw, he did not play up to what I would expect from that type of prospect.

I'm not calling him a bust yet. I'll let it play out. But I really think we'll be doing well if he just becomes solid.

I'll take solid. I want to double up at G this draft though. Without solid line picks this year we could easily be in trouble next season.

44Champs 04-26-2016 06:14 PM

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So far I havent been impressed. Hopefully he'll be more improved this year.

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Danno 04-26-2016 06:24 PM

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Its his 1st freaking year
He player LT all his life
He was late getting into camp per NFL rules
Was asked to play RT (completely different footwork)

Give the guy a break.

Its like saying we're gonna lose a game because our opening KO went out of bounds.

CharityMike 04-26-2016 06:58 PM

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Here are the picks after us in 2015. Who besides Marcus Peters can you say had a good rookie yr? Its not like we took Peat and the next draft pick or 2 lit it up to say we should have drafted them instead.

13 New Orleans Saints OL Andrus Peat Stanford
14 Miami Dolphins WR DeVante Parker Louisville
15 San Diego Chargers RB Melvin Gordon Wisconsin
16 Houston Texans CB Kevin Johnson Wake Forest
17 San Francisco 49ers DL Arik Armstead Oregon
18 Kansas City Chiefs CB Marcus Peters Washington
19 Cleveland Browns C Cameron Erving Florida State
20 Philadelphia Eagles WR Nelson Agholor USC
21 Cincinnati Bengals OL Cedric Ogbuehi Texas A&M
22 Pittsburgh Steelers DE/OLB Bud Dupree Kentucky
23 Denver Broncos DE/OLB Shane Ray Missouri
24 Arizona Cardinals OL D.J. Humphries Florida
25 Carolina Panthers LB Shaq Thompson Washington
26 Baltimore Ravens WR Breshad Perriman Central Florida
27 Dallas Cowboys CB Byron Jones Connecticut
28 Detroit Lions OL Laken Tomlinson Duke
29 Indianapolis Colts WR Phillip Dorsett Miami
30 Green Bay Packers S Damarious Randall Arizona State
31 New Orleans Saints LB Stephone Anthony Clemson
32 New England Patriots DT Malcom Brown Texas

WillSaints81 04-26-2016 07:13 PM

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Out of those players, the receivers got hurt or were not used enough. Agholor was a bad pick yes but that was one I was not even high on. Parker, Dorsett were just not used enough. Parker might be in that situation again next year because he is not a number 2 receiver. Dorsett lit up camp but then didn't get used in regular season. The colts do this to throw teams off. Johnson did pretty good for the texans. And Gordon was in the wrong scheme. A lot of these teams made bad picks that were not needed by their teams.

WillSaints81 04-26-2016 07:14 PM

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If we want to make the playoffs next year our draft picks have to contribute the first two at least.

NonieT 04-26-2016 08:06 PM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
Probably the scout that said JJ Watt and Cameron Jordan wouldn't be good pass rushers.

saintsfan1976 04-26-2016 08:11 PM

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Defend the pick or don't. Chances are you're probably wrong.

Tell me what other rookie picked between Peat and Anthony had a remarkable first NFL season.

AsylumGuido 04-26-2016 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 700715)

Is all you do is look for and post negative crap? Seriously.

WillSaints81 04-26-2016 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 700773)
Defend the pick or don't. Chances are you're probably wrong.

Tell me what other rookie picked between Peat and Anthony had a remarkable first NFL season.

Marcus Peters? Kevin Johnson?

jeanpierre 04-26-2016 10:05 PM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
La Canfora? Please...he makes sh*t up more than he reports it...

Canf got one editor to bite and give him a contract and they're too proud to admit their mistake so they promote him...

jeanpierre 04-26-2016 10:13 PM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 700773)
Defend the pick or don't. Chances are you're probably wrong.

Tell me what other rookie picked between Peat and Anthony had a remarkable first NFL season.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 700783)
Marcus Peters? Kevin Johnson?

Valid...

I go back to signing a guard last season (Clint Boling) and not Browner (hated the signing) and you'd have Marcus Peters with Del Breaux (who even the Saints coaches and brass said "best workout ever" and "he's the real deal"); so why sign a guy benched by the Patriots for ineffective play?!?

Peters should have been the selection at 13...no doubt

jeanpierre 04-26-2016 10:14 PM

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I'll say this though, I'd have no problem taking Conklin, none whatsoever...

Beastmode 04-26-2016 10:38 PM

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OL, a lot of factors. One, they have to work as a complete unit, really gel together and that takes time. Also a young man, he'll get there. He did good, not great but I could see him turning the corner this year. He'll probably get so good we can't afford him at some point.

lee909 04-26-2016 11:55 PM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
I wanted Peters but after the coaches and front office made su much noise on getting the problem children out the locker room it was never happening

QBREES9 04-27-2016 12:17 AM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
Another expert, Wrong!

burningmetal 04-27-2016 03:59 AM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 700757)
Its his 1st freaking year
He player LT all his life
He was late getting into camp per NFL rules
Was asked to play RT (completely different footwork)

Give the guy a break.

Its like saying we're gonna lose a game because our opening KO went out of bounds.

Again, I know he was a rookie. Even rookies (when they are drafted that high) should be expected to show more potential than others. Nothing I saw impressed me. If we're arguing whether he was a good choice or not (which we are) then he hasn't done anything to suggest he was a good pick at this point, in my opinion. No offense to you, but I just don't buy the excuse of playing RT instead of LT. RT is less demanding. If we're nit picking about footwork, then he has no business being in this league. That's just not a good enough reason. I hope he comes around, but my opinion of him before he played a down with the Saints was that he was too soft for this level.

burningmetal 04-27-2016 04:10 AM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 700773)
Defend the pick or don't. Chances are you're probably wrong.

Tell me what other rookie picked between Peat and Anthony had a remarkable first NFL season.

You don't have to have a remarkable first season. It's just slightly more convenient when they don't suck.

saintsfan1976 04-27-2016 06:07 AM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 700787)
I'll say this though, I'd have no problem taking Conklin, none whatsoever...

Knew you'd come around :)

saintsfan1976 04-27-2016 06:08 AM

Re: So a scout said Peat was not a good pick
 
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 700825)
You don't have to have a remarkable first season. It's just slightly more convenient when they don't suck.

Peat didn't suck. He played THREE offensive line position in his first season.

jeanpierre 04-27-2016 06:42 AM

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Yeah, jury is still out on Peat; but for a high first round pick, he pretty much sucked it...

Seems like those selections from those Pac/West Schools on their own schedule get off to slow starts...

Cooks did well, but most seem to be affected with missing those early OTAs and minicamps...

Imagine that, rookies missing practice early struggle...

SapperSaint 04-27-2016 07:26 AM

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It is very hard to trust some of our scouts.

AllSaints 04-27-2016 07:44 AM

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I judge draft picks after year 2.... Then you can really tell if they have improved and look like they will continue to improve... or if they are a "bust"


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