Underwhelmed

AsylumGuido · 05-01-2016, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

That's a false narrative and very few people on this board or anywhere else will agree that the only recent draft history is last year. Again, '11,'12,'14 there are 3 people left on our team, hence the back to back 7-9 seasons.

That is not a false narrative because after the 2014-15 season the Saints fired college scouting director Rick Reiprish and several of his staff. This followed several years of very poor drafting. Reiprish was replaced by Jeff Ireland and several new fresh faces in the department. 2015 was the first and ONLY draft dependent upon this new group and it was arguably the best since 2006. Last year is truly the only relevant draft history.

Danno · 05-01-2016, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That is not a false narrative because after the 2014-15 season the Saints fired college scouting director Rick Reiprish and several of his staff. This followed several years of very poor drafting. Reiprish was replaced by Jeff Ireland and several new fresh faces in the department. 2015 was the first and ONLY draft dependent upon this new group and it was arguably the best since 2006. Last year is truly the only relevant draft history.

And also this draft is the 1st with Dennis Allen as DC. We fired Reprish because his drafts sucked.

If 2015 and 2016 are any indication, I think we have the right guys calling the shots now. Or at least they're a heck of a lot better than 2007 thru 2014.

spkb25 · 05-01-2016, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

And also this draft is the 1st with Dennis Allen as DC. We fired Reprish because his drafts sucked.

If 2015 and 2016 are any indication, I think we have the right guys calling the shots now. Or at least they're a heck of a lot better than 2007 thru 2014.

I liked last year, I like our two mid guys this year a lot, but we don't really know yet. It is not a fact, yet, but what is a fact is that we have 3 players from '11.'12.'14. That doesn't fill me with confidence. I hope they're all studs, but I think any Saint fan questioning some of the selections is justified based off of recent history. Contrary to minority opinion, recent history does not include last year only.

spkb25 · 05-01-2016, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That is not a false narrative because after the 2014-15 season the Saints fired college scouting director Rick Reiprish and several of his staff. This followed several years of very poor drafting. Reiprish was replaced by Jeff Ireland and several new fresh faces in the department. 2015 was the first and ONLY draft dependent upon this new group and it was arguably the best since 2006. Last year is truly the only relevant draft history.

I could care less, the only way that would be a relevant argument is if we had an entirely new coaching staff and GM. We don't so no it is not applicable. That is a failed attempt to hide the mistakes the Saints have made in drafts between 2011-2014. Last year is too early to tell as is this year.

Danno · 05-01-2016, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I could care less, the only way that would be a relevant argument is if we had an entirely new coaching staff and GM. We don't so no it is not applicable. That is a failed attempt to hide the mistakes the Saints have made in drafts between 2011-2014. Last year is too early to tell as is this year.

I disagree. If your previous drafts sucked, and then you fired the guy in charge of those drafts and several of his scouts, then suddenly have the best draft in almost a decade with a new guy in charge of the drafts, I do think the previous drafts aren't relevant.

spkb25 · 05-01-2016, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I disagree. If your previous drafts sucked, and then you fired the guy in charge of those drafts and several of his scouts, then suddenly have the best draft in almost a decade with a new guy in charge of the drafts, I do think the previous drafts aren't relevant.

the two guys responsible for the draftS are still here, SP and ML, which is 100% why the previous drafts are relevant and should be to Saints fans, and why no one should be criticized for demonstrating concern over draft decisions. We were 7-9 back to back because of poor draft choices. Saints fans are completely justified to have concern.

Again, I like last years draft and really like the two Ohio State guys, but time will tell and I am not going to pretend ML and SP have not bad decisions.

I do agree with DA taking over, I like him a lot and I do expect our d to be better and more aggressive.

05-01-2016, 02:27 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by spkb25 That's a false narrative and very few people on this board or anywhere else will agree that the only recent draft history is last year. Again, '11,'12,'14 there are 3 people left on our team, hence the back to back 7-9 seasons. That is not a false narrative because after the 2014-15 season the Saints fired college scouting director Rick Reiprish and several of his staff. This followed several years of very poor drafting. Reiprish was replaced by Jeff Ireland and several new fresh faces in the department. 2015 was the first and ONLY draft dependent upon this new group and it was arguably the best since 2006. Last year is truly the only relevant draft history. Rugby Saint II, Seer1 and MarchingOn like this.

05-01-2016, 02:31 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,759	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That is not a false narrative because after the 2014-15 season the Saints fired college scouting director Rick Reiprish and several of his staff. This followed several years of very poor drafting. Reiprish was replaced by Jeff Ireland and several new fresh faces in the department. 2015 was the first and ONLY draft dependent upon this new group and it was arguably the best since 2006. Last year is truly the only relevant draft history. And also this draft is the 1st with Dennis Allen as DC. We fired Reprish because his drafts sucked. If 2015 and 2016 are any indication, I think we have the right guys calling the shots now. Or at least they're a heck of a lot better than 2007 thru 2014. Rugby Saint II, dizzle88 and MarchingOn like this.

05-01-2016, 02:46 PM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by Danno And also this draft is the 1st with Dennis Allen as DC. We fired Reprish because his drafts sucked. If 2015 and 2016 are any indication, I think we have the right guys calling the shots now. Or at least they're a heck of a lot better than 2007 thru 2014. I liked last year, I like our two mid guys this year a lot, but we don't really know yet. It is not a fact, yet, but what is a fact is that we have 3 players from '11.'12.'14. That doesn't fill me with confidence. I hope they're all studs, but I think any Saint fan questioning some of the selections is justified based off of recent history. Contrary to minority opinion, recent history does not include last year only. jonnyrotten likes this.

05-01-2016, 02:48 PM	#4
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That is not a false narrative because after the 2014-15 season the Saints fired college scouting director Rick Reiprish and several of his staff. This followed several years of very poor drafting. Reiprish was replaced by Jeff Ireland and several new fresh faces in the department. 2015 was the first and ONLY draft dependent upon this new group and it was arguably the best since 2006. Last year is truly the only relevant draft history. I could care less, the only way that would be a relevant argument is if we had an entirely new coaching staff and GM. We don't so no it is not applicable. That is a failed attempt to hide the mistakes the Saints have made in drafts between 2011-2014. Last year is too early to tell as is this year.

05-01-2016, 02:52 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,759	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by spkb25 I could care less, the only way that would be a relevant argument is if we had an entirely new coaching staff and GM. We don't so no it is not applicable. That is a failed attempt to hide the mistakes the Saints have made in drafts between 2011-2014. Last year is too early to tell as is this year. I disagree. If your previous drafts sucked, and then you fired the guy in charge of those drafts and several of his scouts, then suddenly have the best draft in almost a decade with a new guy in charge of the drafts, I do think the previous drafts aren't relevant. AsylumGuido and Seer1 like this.

05-01-2016, 03:11 PM	#6
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Underwhelmed Originally Posted by Danno I disagree. If your previous drafts sucked, and then you fired the guy in charge of those drafts and several of his scouts, then suddenly have the best draft in almost a decade with a new guy in charge of the drafts, I do think the previous drafts aren't relevant. the two guys responsible for the draftS are still here, SP and ML, which is 100% why the previous drafts are relevant and should be to Saints fans, and why no one should be criticized for demonstrating concern over draft decisions. We were 7-9 back to back because of poor draft choices. Saints fans are completely justified to have concern. Again, I like last years draft and really like the two Ohio State guys, but time will tell and I am not going to pretend ML and SP have not bad decisions. I do agree with DA taking over, I like him a lot and I do expect our d to be better and more aggressive.
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