Why not Delhomme?

saintz08 · 01-29-2003, 03:24 AM

Delhomme as a starter is a risk Haslett will not take , not after he backed Brooks .

That would be like Ditka saying Ricky Williams is not really a starting runningback .

Haslett can come up with a thousand excuses if Delhomme lights up his defense in a Cowboys uniform, but not too many if he becomes the starter in New Orleans . If Jake turned out to be better then Brooks , Benson would run Haslett out of the NFL .
Mueller signed where ??????

saintfan · 01-29-2003, 08:55 AM

Now now WhoDat, no reason to go there my friend. I have stated before and I\'ll state it again since your memory is so poor. I\'m not gonna sit back and watch you insinuate, assume, guess, hint, or otherwise indicate all the crap you post about Brooks is factual. You\'ll need to know I have no desire to reduce myself to to the level in which you\'re now attempting to take this debate.

Ya know, quoting coaches and players and posting stats don\'t do any more good than showing you your very own quotes. You can accuse me of bringing Brooks into this debate when it\'s there in the first post is this thread, made by YOU. I know you\'re not ignorant, you just play that way when it suits you.

Now if you wanna reduce the debate to grade-school level I\'m sorry to tell you you\'ll be there alone...well, maybe Saintz08 will ride the bus with you, but I won\'t be going there. Need I also remind you that it was only after I changed my avitar that you changed yours? hehe...you know what they say about imitation, or have they taught you that yet?

saintfan · 01-29-2003, 09:00 AM

Gatorman --
Doesn\'t look like the Broncos are looking at Delhomme. Word is they have their eye on another Jake...Plummer. Personally, I think Delhomme would be a better move, but I\'m guessing they haven\'t seen enough of him.

saintfan · 01-29-2003, 09:37 AM

I\'d like to see Jake stay. I just don\'t think we have anything beyond he and Aaron, but if/when he goes...go ANYWHERE out of the NFC and I\'m happy. I hear the niners are talking to the bucs D coordinator about their head coaching position. I also hear that a Deal for Mooch is all but done in Detroit too.

WhoDat · 01-29-2003, 10:01 AM

The one good thing we have going for us is that the free agent market and the draft are saturated with quarterbacks. I mean, some of the ones that I know about include:

Tony Banks, Charlie Batch, Jeff Blake, Marc Bulger, Koy Detmer, Gus Ferotte, Jeff George, Kent Graham, Jarious Jackson, Doug Johnson, Shaun King, Shane Mathews, Rick Mirer, Doug Peterson, Rodney Peete, Jake Plummer, Tim Rattay, Chris Redman, and Danny Wuerffel.

There are also at least as many QBs who I have never heard of... these could very well be nobodies, or they could be other teams\' Jake Delhommes. You add in the draft, and that\'s a LOT of QBs.

I would think that if you want a proven starter you\'re going with Blake or Plummer. If you want a vet. you\'re going with a guy like Gus Ferotte or Jeff George, Finally, there are a LOT of QBs out there like Delhomme. Guys who are still relatively young with little playing time who want to prove themselves and compete for starting jobs - Bulger, Detmer, Johnson, King, Redman, etc... Not to mention the rookies in the draft.

Maybe this way Delhomme gets a lower offer from other teams than he might in other years b/c there are so many QBs out there. If so, the Saints should be able to match it. And regardless of what Saintfan wants to say, the Saints are using the fact that Brooks is hurt to give quarterbacks hope about competing. They did it with Finlen, so they could do it with Delhomme. They can say, look Jake, who knows how long it will take Aaron to get back to full form. Who knows if he\'ll ever be the same again. Stay here and the best man in camp will start in week 1. I don\'t think any other team will promise him more than that.

saintfan · 01-29-2003, 10:41 AM

WhoDat says:
\"And regardless of what Saintfan wants to say, the Saints are using the fact that Brooks is hurt to give quarterbacks hope about competing.\"

Now that insinuated that I (A) actually said that, which I didn\'t (yet) and (B) that WhoDat has some sort of inside info on the Saints that the rest of us don\'t have. How else would he be able to state that as a fact? All the info coming out of the Saints organization is indicating that the team thinks Aaron will be just fine. If what you say is true, WhoDat, and the Saints were really trying to mis-represent the situation in an effort to lure some guy in like Finlen don\'t you think they\'d have press releases indicating their doubt about his recovery?

You just couldn\'t resist could ya WhoDat? You had to take another shot huh? Does it make you feel any better to know that I\'m smiling while I type this. To make the statememnt you\'re making means that you believe that the Saints gave Brooks the starting position without considering anyone else. You can keep goin with your conspiracy theory if it keeps you warm at night.

WhoDat · 01-29-2003, 11:04 AM

Seriously Saintfan, what is wrong with you? Go read the article about Finlen that was posted in the other thread. I\'m in Illinois, this kid is from Illinois, I\'ve seen three articles about this guy so far and in ALL of them both the writer and Finlen mention that Brooks is hurt and the SAINTS made sure to point this out. I don\'t have any inside information, I can read.

I am not talking about Aaron Brooks. OK?! DO YOU F-CKING GET IT YET?! I DON\'T CARE ABOUT AARON BROOKS. I AM TRYING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.

You\'re pathetic Saintfan. You say things like, \"Need I also remind you that it was only after I changed my avitar that you changed yours?\" So you really think I hurried in to change my avitar b/c you changed yours? Ego much? You keep talking about Aaron Brooks as if anyone wants to hear it. I don\'t. Why don\'t you ask everyone in this forum if they give a sh-t what you think about Aaron Brooks. I bet they don\'t, and I bet they\'re all tired of hearing about him. Trust me buddy, you\'ve convinced us all that he is the best thing since sliced bread. Frankly, I think the Saints should just put him out on the field by himself. Ridiculous. Here\'s what you need to understand. I am the one trying to get past this debate b/c no one cares anymore. I\'m trying to talk about other players... but you\'re too immature and childish to let it go. I\'m being sneeky huh? Dude, you\'ve got too much time on your hands. Seriously, D-R-O-P I-T! Does that get through to you?

You know what, let\'s take a poll.... Who wants to hear Saintfan talk about Aaron Brooks? Just shout out if you\'re interested in the slightest in this discussion anymore.

saintfan · 01-29-2003, 11:54 AM

My boy, everyone in here has dropped it \'cept for you and me. Know why? Cause you keep posting negativity about Brooks and I keep callin you on it. If you don\'t want me to respond then stop posting that crap. As I\'ve said before, even re-posting your own comments doesn\'t seem to help you see the light. Do you honestly think I\'m gonna sit back and watch you make a sly remark directed at me without responding? I\'ll ask YOU to get over it. I have been for weeks now. If you wanna talk about Jake, then talk about Jake. Leave Brooks out of it. Can you do that? Well, not so far, but I have faith in you. Eventually you\'ll figure it out.

There\'s no need to get nasty or lose your cool WhoDat. My posts aren\'t a personal attack on you. My posts are typically built around a response to something you\'ve typed that I disagree with. Man, what time of the month is it? You\'re AWEFULLY sensitive today eh?

Now then, are you calm yet? Need a pill? Just relax and reply with something intelligent rather than takin it to the playground there guy. If you\'re really not dissing AB then stop including his name next to negative statements in your posts ok? Then I won\'t have anything to respond to. It\'s rediculous for you to say you\'re not talkin about Brooks when we can all scroll up and see that you are.

Now, about Mr. Finlen. This is a quote, not from an ESPN expert, a sports radio talk show host, a sportswriter, or even Hokie Gajan (who\'s opinion you seem to hold so dearly)...YOU CAN READ? OK, READ THIS:

\"Right now, from what they told my agent, they expect me to battle for the third quarterback position and give a good fight for it. IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢m getting good responses from their front office.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬?

Now thats comes from Finlen, and no one else. Now you know what you know because you\'re from Illinois, and you can read right? The whole freakin world knows Brooks was injured WhoDat. I don\'t see where you come up with all this conspiracy crap you keep on a-postin\'. Don\'t hate me cause I call you on it baby. Just stop postin it.

Now I\'ll finish by voting in your little poll: I vote No, lets not talk about Brooks anymore. I would have stopped a long time ago if you would have just shut up about it, but you wouldn\'t, and so I have persisted. Evey time you post your opinion as if it\'s fact I\'ve been here to call you on it. You say everyone is tired of the Brooks debate, and I\'d agree; however, you\'re the one who started a thread dedicated to it. So, make your case without accusing Haz of not give Jake a chance. Make your case without your little side shots at Brooks (or me for that matter). Stop forcing me to copy and paste your very own posts indicating that you HAVE included Brooks in your latest ploy ok? Everytime you catch yourself about to type \"Aaron Brooks\" STOP! Don\'t do it! Then you won\'t have to deal with me forcing you to deal in the truth.

saintz08 · 01-29-2003, 11:58 AM

Interesting analysis for next year :

The question of why will follow the Saints til kick off next season .

Glad to see others have taken notes on that pathetic media event .

QUARTERBACK

Starter: Aaron Brooks; backups: Jake Delhomme, J.T. O\'Sullivan.

Brooks started out like gangbusters, but faded down the stretch.

That makes it two seasons in a row with similar patterns, although there was the matter of his injured throwing shoulder that certainly affected him down the stretch this go around.

The coaching staff went to extraordinary lengths to show that the injury didn\'t keep him from being a capable quarterback down the stretch, breaking out game film for a media skull session.

Delhomme proved capable of stepping into the breech when Brooks needed relief in a pair of games. He has the perfect backup mentality with an apparent absence of ego that has kept him firmly in Brooks\' corner.

However, the coaching staff doesn\'t feel he\'s mobile enough to make up for some protection problems the offense had late in the season and worry that in a 10-play drive, he\'ll be great on nine snaps and make a really bad decision on a tenth.

It would be a stretch to consider J.T. O\'Sullivan a viable replacement, meaning the bottom line for the Saints to keep Delhomme\'s services goes up with the arthroscopic surgery on Brooks\' shoulder, even with a hometown discount.

WhoDat · 01-29-2003, 02:01 PM

You\'re right about that Gator... which is part of the reason that I am impatient when it comes to this team and its development. Its young guys need to step up and play well next year, and we HAVE to go out and get some vets on D to make us better right now. We can\'t expect to pick up players in the draft and look to be good a few years from now. That will make us a perpetual 9-7 team, one game out of the playoffs. It\'s starting to feel like put up or shut up time to me.

01-29-2003, 03:24 AM	#11
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Why not Delhomme? Delhomme as a starter is a risk Haslett will not take , not after he backed Brooks . That would be like Ditka saying Ricky Williams is not really a starting runningback . Haslett can come up with a thousand excuses if Delhomme lights up his defense in a Cowboys uniform, but not too many if he becomes the starter in New Orleans . If Jake turned out to be better then Brooks , Benson would run Haslett out of the NFL . Mueller signed where ??????
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01-29-2003, 08:55 AM	#12
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why not Delhomme? Now now WhoDat, no reason to go there my friend. I have stated before and I\'ll state it again since your memory is so poor. I\'m not gonna sit back and watch you insinuate, assume, guess, hint, or otherwise indicate all the crap you post about Brooks is factual. You\'ll need to know I have no desire to reduce myself to to the level in which you\'re now attempting to take this debate. Ya know, quoting coaches and players and posting stats don\'t do any more good than showing you your very own quotes. You can accuse me of bringing Brooks into this debate when it\'s there in the first post is this thread, made by YOU. I know you\'re not ignorant, you just play that way when it suits you. Now if you wanna reduce the debate to grade-school level I\'m sorry to tell you you\'ll be there alone...well, maybe Saintz08 will ride the bus with you, but I won\'t be going there. Need I also remind you that it was only after I changed my avitar that you changed yours? hehe...you know what they say about imitation, or have they taught you that yet?
	C'mon Man...

01-29-2003, 09:00 AM	#13
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why not Delhomme? Gatorman -- Doesn\'t look like the Broncos are looking at Delhomme. Word is they have their eye on another Jake...Plummer. Personally, I think Delhomme would be a better move, but I\'m guessing they haven\'t seen enough of him.

01-29-2003, 09:37 AM	#14
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why not Delhomme? I\'d like to see Jake stay. I just don\'t think we have anything beyond he and Aaron, but if/when he goes...go ANYWHERE out of the NFC and I\'m happy. I hear the niners are talking to the bucs D coordinator about their head coaching position. I also hear that a Deal for Mooch is all but done in Detroit too.

01-29-2003, 10:01 AM	#15
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why not Delhomme? The one good thing we have going for us is that the free agent market and the draft are saturated with quarterbacks. I mean, some of the ones that I know about include: Tony Banks, Charlie Batch, Jeff Blake, Marc Bulger, Koy Detmer, Gus Ferotte, Jeff George, Kent Graham, Jarious Jackson, Doug Johnson, Shaun King, Shane Mathews, Rick Mirer, Doug Peterson, Rodney Peete, Jake Plummer, Tim Rattay, Chris Redman, and Danny Wuerffel. There are also at least as many QBs who I have never heard of... these could very well be nobodies, or they could be other teams\' Jake Delhommes. You add in the draft, and that\'s a LOT of QBs. I would think that if you want a proven starter you\'re going with Blake or Plummer. If you want a vet. you\'re going with a guy like Gus Ferotte or Jeff George, Finally, there are a LOT of QBs out there like Delhomme. Guys who are still relatively young with little playing time who want to prove themselves and compete for starting jobs - Bulger, Detmer, Johnson, King, Redman, etc... Not to mention the rookies in the draft. Maybe this way Delhomme gets a lower offer from other teams than he might in other years b/c there are so many QBs out there. If so, the Saints should be able to match it. And regardless of what Saintfan wants to say, the Saints are using the fact that Brooks is hurt to give quarterbacks hope about competing. They did it with Finlen, so they could do it with Delhomme. They can say, look Jake, who knows how long it will take Aaron to get back to full form. Who knows if he\'ll ever be the same again. Stay here and the best man in camp will start in week 1. I don\'t think any other team will promise him more than that.
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01-29-2003, 10:41 AM	#16
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why not Delhomme? WhoDat says: \"And regardless of what Saintfan wants to say, the Saints are using the fact that Brooks is hurt to give quarterbacks hope about competing.\" Now that insinuated that I (A) actually said that, which I didn\'t (yet) and (B) that WhoDat has some sort of inside info on the Saints that the rest of us don\'t have. How else would he be able to state that as a fact? All the info coming out of the Saints organization is indicating that the team thinks Aaron will be just fine. If what you say is true, WhoDat, and the Saints were really trying to mis-represent the situation in an effort to lure some guy in like Finlen don\'t you think they\'d have press releases indicating their doubt about his recovery? You just couldn\'t resist could ya WhoDat? You had to take another shot huh? Does it make you feel any better to know that I\'m smiling while I type this. To make the statememnt you\'re making means that you believe that the Saints gave Brooks the starting position without considering anyone else. You can keep goin with your conspiracy theory if it keeps you warm at night.
	C'mon Man...

01-29-2003, 11:04 AM	#17
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why not Delhomme? Seriously Saintfan, what is wrong with you? Go read the article about Finlen that was posted in the other thread. I\'m in Illinois, this kid is from Illinois, I\'ve seen three articles about this guy so far and in ALL of them both the writer and Finlen mention that Brooks is hurt and the SAINTS made sure to point this out. I don\'t have any inside information, I can read. I am not talking about Aaron Brooks. OK?! DO YOU F-CKING GET IT YET?! I DON\'T CARE ABOUT AARON BROOKS. I AM TRYING TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. You\'re pathetic Saintfan. You say things like, \"Need I also remind you that it was only after I changed my avitar that you changed yours?\" So you really think I hurried in to change my avitar b/c you changed yours? Ego much? You keep talking about Aaron Brooks as if anyone wants to hear it. I don\'t. Why don\'t you ask everyone in this forum if they give a sh-t what you think about Aaron Brooks. I bet they don\'t, and I bet they\'re all tired of hearing about him. Trust me buddy, you\'ve convinced us all that he is the best thing since sliced bread. Frankly, I think the Saints should just put him out on the field by himself. Ridiculous. Here\'s what you need to understand. I am the one trying to get past this debate b/c no one cares anymore. I\'m trying to talk about other players... but you\'re too immature and childish to let it go. I\'m being sneeky huh? Dude, you\'ve got too much time on your hands. Seriously, D-R-O-P I-T! Does that get through to you? You know what, let\'s take a poll.... Who wants to hear Saintfan talk about Aaron Brooks? Just shout out if you\'re interested in the slightest in this discussion anymore.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

01-29-2003, 11:54 AM	#18
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why not Delhomme? My boy, everyone in here has dropped it \'cept for you and me. Know why? Cause you keep posting negativity about Brooks and I keep callin you on it. If you don\'t want me to respond then stop posting that crap. As I\'ve said before, even re-posting your own comments doesn\'t seem to help you see the light. Do you honestly think I\'m gonna sit back and watch you make a sly remark directed at me without responding? I\'ll ask YOU to get over it. I have been for weeks now. If you wanna talk about Jake, then talk about Jake. Leave Brooks out of it. Can you do that? Well, not so far, but I have faith in you. Eventually you\'ll figure it out. There\'s no need to get nasty or lose your cool WhoDat. My posts aren\'t a personal attack on you. My posts are typically built around a response to something you\'ve typed that I disagree with. Man, what time of the month is it? You\'re AWEFULLY sensitive today eh? Now then, are you calm yet? Need a pill? Just relax and reply with something intelligent rather than takin it to the playground there guy. If you\'re really not dissing AB then stop including his name next to negative statements in your posts ok? Then I won\'t have anything to respond to. It\'s rediculous for you to say you\'re not talkin about Brooks when we can all scroll up and see that you are. Now, about Mr. Finlen. This is a quote, not from an ESPN expert, a sports radio talk show host, a sportswriter, or even Hokie Gajan (who\'s opinion you seem to hold so dearly)...YOU CAN READ? OK, READ THIS: \"Right now, from what they told my agent, they expect me to battle for the third quarterback position and give a good fight for it. IÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬Ã¢Â„Â¢m getting good responses from their front office.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢Â‚Â¬? Now thats comes from Finlen, and no one else. Now you know what you know because you\'re from Illinois, and you can read right? The whole freakin world knows Brooks was injured WhoDat. I don\'t see where you come up with all this conspiracy crap you keep on a-postin\'. Don\'t hate me cause I call you on it baby. Just stop postin it. Now I\'ll finish by voting in your little poll: I vote No, lets not talk about Brooks anymore. I would have stopped a long time ago if you would have just shut up about it, but you wouldn\'t, and so I have persisted. Evey time you post your opinion as if it\'s fact I\'ve been here to call you on it. You say everyone is tired of the Brooks debate, and I\'d agree; however, you\'re the one who started a thread dedicated to it. So, make your case without accusing Haz of not give Jake a chance. Make your case without your little side shots at Brooks (or me for that matter). Stop forcing me to copy and paste your very own posts indicating that you HAVE included Brooks in your latest ploy ok? Everytime you catch yourself about to type \"Aaron Brooks\" STOP! Don\'t do it! Then you won\'t have to deal with me forcing you to deal in the truth.
	C'mon Man...

01-29-2003, 11:58 AM	#19
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Why not Delhomme? Interesting analysis for next year : The question of why will follow the Saints til kick off next season . Glad to see others have taken notes on that pathetic media event . QUARTERBACK Starter: Aaron Brooks; backups: Jake Delhomme, J.T. O\'Sullivan. Brooks started out like gangbusters, but faded down the stretch. That makes it two seasons in a row with similar patterns, although there was the matter of his injured throwing shoulder that certainly affected him down the stretch this go around. The coaching staff went to extraordinary lengths to show that the injury didn\'t keep him from being a capable quarterback down the stretch, breaking out game film for a media skull session. Delhomme proved capable of stepping into the breech when Brooks needed relief in a pair of games. He has the perfect backup mentality with an apparent absence of ego that has kept him firmly in Brooks\' corner. However, the coaching staff doesn\'t feel he\'s mobile enough to make up for some protection problems the offense had late in the season and worry that in a 10-play drive, he\'ll be great on nine snaps and make a really bad decision on a tenth. It would be a stretch to consider J.T. O\'Sullivan a viable replacement, meaning the bottom line for the Saints to keep Delhomme\'s services goes up with the arthroscopic surgery on Brooks\' shoulder, even with a hometown discount.
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

01-29-2003, 02:01 PM	#20
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why not Delhomme? You\'re right about that Gator... which is part of the reason that I am impatient when it comes to this team and its development. Its young guys need to step up and play well next year, and we HAVE to go out and get some vets on D to make us better right now. We can\'t expect to pick up players in the draft and look to be good a few years from now. That will make us a perpetual 9-7 team, one game out of the playoffs. It\'s starting to feel like put up or shut up time to me.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"