Optimist and realist, Dennis Allen working to resurrect Saints' defense

05-16-2016, 06:10 PM

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dizzle88 · 05-16-2016, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Good point. Sometimes its not just talent that you need, but the right mix of talent.

Dream teams can sometimes suck, and team with several mediocre players can still succeed.

Exactly, look at our front 7 from 2009-2011 as a perfect example with players such as;

Jeff Charleston, Remi Ayodele, Anthony Hargrove, Danny Clark, Jo-lonn Dunbar, Bobby McCray

I wouldn't peg any of those guys as all pro's, but all played in a rotation suited to their abilities and all of them really embraced the team first attitude.

jnormand · 05-16-2016, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Exactly, look at our front 7 from 2009-2011 as a perfect example with players such as;

Jeff Charleston, Remi Ayodele, Anthony Hargrove, Danny Clark, Jo-lonn Dunbar, Bobby McCray

I wouldn't peg any of those guys as all pro's, but all played in a rotation suited to their abilities and all of them really embraced the team first attitude.

Yeah. What ever happened to Charleston? He was good in spot duty. Never really got to see the guy play after he as released.

QBREES9 · 05-16-2016, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88 View Post
Exactly, look at our front 7 from 2009-2011 as a perfect example with players such as;

Jeff Charleston, Remi Ayodele, Anthony Hargrove, Danny Clark, Jo-lonn Dunbar, Bobby McCray

I wouldn't peg any of those guys as all pro's, but all played in a rotation suited to their abilities and all of them really embraced the team first attitude.

And who ran that Defense.

darstep · 05-17-2016, 06:32 AM

Most coaches don't wear chin-straps.
And it doesn't matter if the coaches are slow to the ball.
We've had guys that just did NOT perform. Plain and simple.
After all the schemes and game planning are done, somebody has to make plays.
For years our fundamentals have been just awful.
Basic wrap and roll tackling was nowhere to be found.
DBs that could not/would not/did not (pick one) turn, look and make a play on the ball.
The rookies showed great promise (Kikaha-Anthony) along with Jordan.
If we can get them some help, we may get to the middle of the pack.
We score enough points to win most games. Just can't stop Sh!+.
We don't need 11 play makers; maybe 4 of the front 7 and 2 in the back.
A good run stuffer will make the other 2 look and perform better.
At least 1 LB that can stay with a tight end.
At least 1 CB that we can "confidently" leave alone and not worry about his coverage.
5 or 6 guys that excel at what they do and make the other 5 guys job easier.
I hope we've got some play makers on the field once the roster is trimmed to 50s and the P-squad.
I don't need pro-bowlers.
I would be happy just getting off the field on 3rd and 17.
Make the coach look good.

halloween 65 · 05-17-2016, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Originally Posted by dizzle88 View Post
Exactly, look at our front 7 from 2009-2011 as a perfect example with players such as;

Jeff Charleston, Remi Ayodele, Anthony Hargrove, Danny Clark, Jo-lonn Dunbar, Bobby McCray

I wouldn't peg any of those guys as all pro's, but all played in a rotation suited to their abilities and all of them really embraced the team first attitude.

And who ran that Defense.

GW would be licking his chops with this group we have now, probably get low teen's results.We'll see how this goes.

jeanpierre · 05-17-2016, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

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jeanpierre · 05-17-2016, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

I hope we now have the right combinations of players.

The other half of that is having the coach, coordinator who knows how to build a defense with the pieces he has, and know who to run that defense once it's assembled...

joker-saint · 05-18-2016, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

The optimists within the New Orleans Saints defensive unit probably have said aloud or to themselves "the only direction to go from here is up" a time or two or 10 the last couple of years. You think about it, and that philosophy sounds right.

Except there's a far less discussed and more depressing alternative to the up-beat outlook. You can always remain the same.

The Saints defense did that in 2015. The defense sat at the bottom of the league in 2014. The defense sat at the bottom of the league in 2015.

I, for one, can't blame defensive coordinator Dennis Allen for his viewpoint entering the initial stages of on-field workouts for the Saints in 2016.

"Number one, we start totally anew," Allen said Saturday after the team's rookie minicamp session. "This is a totally new year, a totally different group. Last year was last year. We're totally looking forward to what we've got to get accomplished this year.

"What we have to do is develop the right culture, the right concept to play defensive football around here."

The awkward and seemingly counterproductive setup last year of Allen and Rob Ryan is over. The success or failure of the Saints defense will now fall primarily on Allen's shoulders. He's not focusing on that, yet he's not oblivious to that either.

One thing I do know about Allen is that he's earned Sean Payton's complete trust. I'm not sure any of the four previous defensive coordinators could say that in the Payton era. Maybe Steve Spagnuolo was a close second ... maybe not. (This is a small attempt at humor.)

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Mark my words "Dennis Allen WILL get offers for a head coach position after about two years"

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Optimist and realist, Dennis Allen working to resurrect Saints' defense Originally Posted by Danno Good point. Sometimes its not just talent that you need, but the right mix of talent. Dream teams can sometimes suck, and team with several mediocre players can still succeed. Exactly, look at our front 7 from 2009-2011 as a perfect example with players such as; Jeff Charleston, Remi Ayodele, Anthony Hargrove, Danny Clark, Jo-lonn Dunbar, Bobby McCray I wouldn't peg any of those guys as all pro's, but all played in a rotation suited to their abilities and all of them really embraced the team first attitude. jnormand and Crusader like this.

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jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,662	Re: Optimist and realist, Dennis Allen working to resurrect Saints' defense Originally Posted by dizzle88 Exactly, look at our front 7 from 2009-2011 as a perfect example with players such as; Jeff Charleston, Remi Ayodele, Anthony Hargrove, Danny Clark, Jo-lonn Dunbar, Bobby McCray I wouldn't peg any of those guys as all pro's, but all played in a rotation suited to their abilities and all of them really embraced the team first attitude. Yeah. What ever happened to Charleston? He was good in spot duty. Never really got to see the guy play after he as released.

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QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,985	Re: Optimist and realist, Dennis Allen working to resurrect Saints' defense Originally Posted by dizzle88 View Post Exactly, look at our front 7 from 2009-2011 as a perfect example with players such as; Jeff Charleston, Remi Ayodele, Anthony Hargrove, Danny Clark, Jo-lonn Dunbar, Bobby McCray I wouldn't peg any of those guys as all pro's, but all played in a rotation suited to their abilities and all of them really embraced the team first attitude. And who ran that Defense. dizzle88 and halloween 65 like this.

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darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Optimist and realist, Dennis Allen working to resurrect Saints' defense Most coaches don't wear chin-straps. And it doesn't matter if the coaches are slow to the ball. We've had guys that just did NOT perform. Plain and simple. After all the schemes and game planning are done, somebody has to make plays. For years our fundamentals have been just awful. Basic wrap and roll tackling was nowhere to be found. DBs that could not/would not/did not (pick one) turn, look and make a play on the ball. The rookies showed great promise (Kikaha-Anthony) along with Jordan. If we can get them some help, we may get to the middle of the pack. We score enough points to win most games. Just can't stop Sh!+. We don't need 11 play makers; maybe 4 of the front 7 and 2 in the back. A good run stuffer will make the other 2 look and perform better. At least 1 LB that can stay with a tight end. At least 1 CB that we can "confidently" leave alone and not worry about his coverage. 5 or 6 guys that excel at what they do and make the other 5 guys job easier. I hope we've got some play makers on the field once the roster is trimmed to 50s and the P-squad. I don't need pro-bowlers. I would be happy just getting off the field on 3rd and 17. Make the coach look good. hagan714 likes this.
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Optimist and realist, Dennis Allen working to resurrect Saints' defense Originally Posted by QBREES9 Originally Posted by dizzle88 View Post Exactly, look at our front 7 from 2009-2011 as a perfect example with players such as; Jeff Charleston, Remi Ayodele, Anthony Hargrove, Danny Clark, Jo-lonn Dunbar, Bobby McCray I wouldn't peg any of those guys as all pro's, but all played in a rotation suited to their abilities and all of them really embraced the team first attitude. And who ran that Defense. GW would be licking his chops with this group we have now, probably get low teen's results.We'll see how this goes.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Optimist and realist, Dennis Allen working to resurrect Saints' defense Originally Posted by Halo SUNSHINE PUMPERS UNITE!!!!!!!!!!! *Thanks, you brought a little sunshine to me on this rainy day!*

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Optimist and realist, Dennis Allen working to resurrect Saints' defense Originally Posted by NOLA54 I hope we now have the right combinations of players. The other half of that is having the coach, coordinator who knows how to build a defense with the pieces he has, and know who to run that defense once it's assembled... halloween 65 likes this.

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joker-saint 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 382 Blog Entries: 12	Re: Optimist and realist, Dennis Allen working to resurrect Saints' defense Originally Posted by SmashMouth The optimists within the New Orleans Saints defensive unit probably have said aloud or to themselves "the only direction to go from here is up" a time or two or 10 the last couple of years. You think about it, and that philosophy sounds right. Except there's a far less discussed and more depressing alternative to the up-beat outlook. You can always remain the same. The Saints defense did that in 2015. The defense sat at the bottom of the league in 2014. The defense sat at the bottom of the league in 2015. I, for one, can't blame defensive coordinator Dennis Allen for his viewpoint entering the initial stages of on-field workouts for the Saints in 2016. "Number one, we start totally anew," Allen said Saturday after the team's rookie minicamp session. "This is a totally new year, a totally different group. Last year was last year. We're totally looking forward to what we've got to get accomplished this year. "What we have to do is develop the right culture, the right concept to play defensive football around here." The awkward and seemingly counterproductive setup last year of Allen and Rob Ryan is over. The success or failure of the Saints defense will now fall primarily on Allen's shoulders. He's not focusing on that, yet he's not oblivious to that either. One thing I do know about Allen is that he's earned Sean Payton's complete trust. I'm not sure any of the four previous defensive coordinators could say that in the Payton era. Maybe Steve Spagnuolo was a close second ... maybe not. (This is a small attempt at humor.) read more Mark my words "Dennis Allen WILL get offers for a head coach position after about two years"

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