Saints are suffocating themselves by clinging to Drew Brees

halloween 65 · 05-25-2016, 11:40 AM

He's right if this D don't get fixed. 30 million is a lot to play any player if the team finished at 7-9 for 2 years straight. At 38 this would be the last season I would pay. I don't think to many teams if any sign him to a 4 year big money deal after this season.

Danno · 05-25-2016, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

He's right if this D don't get fixed. 30 million is a lot to play any player if the team finished at 7-9 for 2 years straight. At 38 this would be the last season I would pay. I don't think to many teams if any sign him to a 4 year big money deal after this season.

How is he right if the D doesn't get fixed? Drew wouldn't be the reason our defense wouldn't get fixed.

Drew hasn't stopped us from signing or drafting anyone who would be that difference maker on defense.

exile · 05-25-2016, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Drew hasn't stopped us from signing or drafting anyone who would be that difference maker on defense.

Tell that to Dennis Allen when he was pushing for Josh Norman.

Forget that. This is a highly inappropriate comment.

Danno · 05-25-2016, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Tell that to Dennis Allen when he was pushing for Josh Norman.

Forget that. This is a highly inappropriate comment.

I did tell him that, and he agreed with me.

ScottF · 05-25-2016, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Tell that to Dennis Allen when he was pushing for Josh Norman.

Forget that. This is a highly inappropriate comment.

We offered Norman the same deal, and he opted for the dysfunctional Redskins. It wasn't money

Josh Norman: Family swayed him to pass on Saints for Redskins | NOLA.com

AsylumGuido · 05-29-2016, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Tell that to Dennis Allen when he was pushing for Josh Norman.

Forget that. This is a highly inappropriate comment.

Brees' contract didn't have any negative impact on pursuing Josh Norman. None whatsoever. Both Brees and Payton said that a restructure would have occurred right away if Norman became available. He never got out of Washington so the point was moot.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 05-25-2016, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

He's right if this D don't get fixed.

The defense went from 31st to 4th in a year from 2012 to 2013. And honestly any team that can win 7 games with the historically worst defense doesn't really need the defense to get too much better to be successful.

30 million is a lot to play any player if the team finished at 7-9 for 2 years straight.

First off it isn't $30 million. Brees' salary this year is $20. Barely top 10 salary for QB's in today's NFL. The $30 million cap hit is because of the signing bonus from the 2012 extension along with the 2014 restructure.

It's foolish to think the Saints have not gotten every penny of the $100 million that was committed to Brees for his 5 year extension in 2012. Looking at the production and salaries of other NFL QBs, it's a flat bargain.

At 38 this would be the last season I would pay. I don't think to many teams if any sign him to a 4 year big money deal after this season.

I posit there are teams that would be willing to pay Brees $75 million all cash for 3 years.

But the problem falls squarely back on the Saints. The next QB will not be Drew Brees. Not even close. Not better than Drew Brees at 40, or 41 either.

So a decision has to be made. Try to reach the mountaintop again in a short window with Brees, or start over.

SFIAH

halloween 65 · 05-25-2016, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

The defense went from 31st to 4th in a year from 2012 to 2013. And honestly any team that can win 7 games with the historically worst defense doesn't really need the defense to get too much better to be successful.

First off it isn't $30 million. Brees' salary this year is $20. Barely top 10 salary for QB's in today's NFL. The $30 million cap hit is because of the signing bonus from the 2012 extension along with the 2014 restructure.

It's foolish to think the Saints have not gotten every penny of the $100 million that was committed to Brees for his 5 year extension in 2012. Looking at the production and salaries of other NFL QBs, it's a flat bargain.

I posit there are teams that would be willing to pay Brees $75 million all cash for 3 years.

But the problem falls squarely back on the Saints. The next QB will not be Drew Brees. Not even close. Not better than Drew Brees at 40, or 41 either.

So a decision has to be made. Try to reach the mountaintop again in a short window with Brees, or start over.

SFIAH

Pay the man then.

05-25-2016, 11:40 AM	#1
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints are suffocating themselves by clinging to Drew Brees He's right if this D don't get fixed. 30 million is a lot to play any player if the team finished at 7-9 for 2 years straight. At 38 this would be the last season I would pay. I don't think to many teams if any sign him to a 4 year big money deal after this season.

05-25-2016, 12:12 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Saints are suffocating themselves by clinging to Drew Brees Originally Posted by halloween 65 He's right if this D don't get fixed. 30 million is a lot to play any player if the team finished at 7-9 for 2 years straight. At 38 this would be the last season I would pay. I don't think to many teams if any sign him to a 4 year big money deal after this season. How is he right if the D doesn't get fixed? Drew wouldn't be the reason our defense wouldn't get fixed. Drew hasn't stopped us from signing or drafting anyone who would be that difference maker on defense.

05-25-2016, 12:17 PM	#3
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Saints are suffocating themselves by clinging to Drew Brees Originally Posted by Danno Drew hasn't stopped us from signing or drafting anyone who would be that difference maker on defense. Tell that to Dennis Allen when he was pushing for Josh Norman. Forget that. This is a highly inappropriate comment.
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05-25-2016, 12:18 PM	#4
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,757	Re: Saints are suffocating themselves by clinging to Drew Brees Originally Posted by exile Tell that to Dennis Allen when he was pushing for Josh Norman. Forget that. This is a highly inappropriate comment. I did tell him that, and he agreed with me. jnormand, CheramieIII and exile like this.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Saints are suffocating themselves by clinging to Drew Brees Originally Posted by exile Tell that to Dennis Allen when he was pushing for Josh Norman. Forget that. This is a highly inappropriate comment. We offered Norman the same deal, and he opted for the dysfunctional Redskins. It wasn't money Josh Norman: Family swayed him to pass on Saints for Redskins \| NOLA.com

05-29-2016, 12:58 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints are suffocating themselves by clinging to Drew Brees Originally Posted by exile Tell that to Dennis Allen when he was pushing for Josh Norman. Forget that. This is a highly inappropriate comment. Brees' contract didn't have any negative impact on pursuing Josh Norman. None whatsoever. Both Brees and Payton said that a restructure would have occurred right away if Norman became available. He never got out of Washington so the point was moot.

05-25-2016, 01:16 PM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Saints are suffocating themselves by clinging to Drew Brees Originally Posted by halloween 65 He's right if this D don't get fixed. The defense went from 31st to 4th in a year from 2012 to 2013. And honestly any team that can win 7 games with the historically worst defense doesn't really need the defense to get too much better to be successful. 30 million is a lot to play any player if the team finished at 7-9 for 2 years straight. First off it isn't $30 million. Brees' salary this year is $20. Barely top 10 salary for QB's in today's NFL. The $30 million cap hit is because of the signing bonus from the 2012 extension along with the 2014 restructure. It's foolish to think the Saints have not gotten every penny of the $100 million that was committed to Brees for his 5 year extension in 2012. Looking at the production and salaries of other NFL QBs, it's a flat bargain. At 38 this would be the last season I would pay. I don't think to many teams if any sign him to a 4 year big money deal after this season. I posit there are teams that would be willing to pay Brees $75 million all cash for 3 years. But the problem falls squarely back on the Saints. The next QB will not be Drew Brees. Not even close. Not better than Drew Brees at 40, or 41 either. So a decision has to be made. Try to reach the mountaintop again in a short window with Brees, or start over. SFIAH
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05-25-2016, 01:55 PM	#8
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints are suffocating themselves by clinging to Drew Brees Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL The defense went from 31st to 4th in a year from 2012 to 2013. And honestly any team that can win 7 games with the historically worst defense doesn't really need the defense to get too much better to be successful. First off it isn't $30 million. Brees' salary this year is $20. Barely top 10 salary for QB's in today's NFL. The $30 million cap hit is because of the signing bonus from the 2012 extension along with the 2014 restructure. It's foolish to think the Saints have not gotten every penny of the $100 million that was committed to Brees for his 5 year extension in 2012. Looking at the production and salaries of other NFL QBs, it's a flat bargain. I posit there are teams that would be willing to pay Brees $75 million all cash for 3 years. But the problem falls squarely back on the Saints. The next QB will not be Drew Brees. Not even close. Not better than Drew Brees at 40, or 41 either. So a decision has to be made. Try to reach the mountaintop again in a short window with Brees, or start over. SFIAH Pay the man then. GeauxForMore likes this.

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