Minicamp Practice Updates

jeanpierre · 06-15-2016, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

Obum Gwatchum at 6-5, 270
Or Robert Quinn at 6-4, 264
Or Chandler Jones 6-5 265
Or Ezekiel Ansah 6-5 275
Or Michael Bennett 6-4, 274
Or Jason Pierre Paul at 6-5, 278
Or Greg Hardy at 6-5 280

Yeah, that one would be a good comparison, the others have more bulk...

|Mitch| · 06-14-2016, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

but I'm not sure Gwachum has the sand to hold the edge...

I'd be more sure of a 270 pound Gwachum holding the edge rather than a 250 pound Kikaha...

Danno · 06-14-2016, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I'd be more sure of a 6-5, 270 pound Gwachum holding the edge rather than a 250 pound Kikaha...

Or a 6-3, 240 Davis Tull?
Or a 6-2, 253 Kasim Edebali?
Or a 6-2, 258 Junior Galette?

ChrisXVI · 06-14-2016, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I'd be more sure of a 270 pound Gwachum holding the edge rather than a 250 pound Kikaha...

Yeah not to mention Davis Tull has T Rex arms. However, we need Gwacham to look like Tarzan AND play like Tarzan so here's hoping he can bring it.

jeanpierre · 06-15-2016, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I'd be more sure of a 270 pound Gwachum holding the edge rather than a 250 pound Kikaha...

I'm speaking more of football weight distribution; muscle is ~2.5 times that of fat; but you need bulk, that sand in the pants to anchor against blockers...

Picking up an 80 lbs box that is 4 ' X 4' X 4' vs picking up a 95 lbs barbell with friendly grips kinda thing...

And playing DE in college is waaay different than playing DE in the NFL...

Look, the guy has me intrigued and it's impressive that he's taken coaching advice and moved to a different position and worked to build his body...

Cautiously optimistic that Gwachum can challenge, but it's a straight up observation that the guy is just raw-bone...

But as I said in earlier posts, I'm more excited by the number of players we can rotate in that front four...

We don't need a down lineman to play 85% of the snaps; we can rotate people for mismatches and keep the horses fresh to the fourth quarter...

halloween 65 · 06-14-2016, 06:57 PM

I wouldn't rule out the smaller guys yet.

ChrisXVI · 06-14-2016, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I wouldn't rule out the smaller guys yet.

Definitely not... Tull is gonna put some serious heat on QB's this season. It's just good to know that one of the guys has the prototypical size; that won't matter though if he doesn't have the intensity.

frydaddy · 06-14-2016, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Definitely not... Tull is gonna put some serious heat on QB's this season. It's just good to know that one of the guys has the prototypical size; that won't matter though if he doesn't have the intensity.

Indeed. Kikaha brought the intensity, we'll definitely miss that this year. Hopeful for Gwachum though. We have a lot of new position coaches this year and if they can tap into the potential of guys like him and Onyemata we could have a freak nasty D-line in the next couple of years.

|Mitch| · 06-14-2016, 08:24 PM

Gwachum did play defensive end at Oregon State, RR moved him to outside linebacker.

He should feel right at home with the switch back to his favored position

And Gwachum benched 225 22 times to Kikaha's 20 pre-draft, and ran a 4.7 40 to Kikaha's 4.9...

Danno · 06-15-2016, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Definitely not... Tull is gonna put some serious heat on QB's this season. It's just good to know that one of the guys has the prototypical size; that won't matter though if he doesn't have the intensity.

Ever heard of sparq scores? Its supposed to be a combination of physical measurements and performance metrics from the combine. Its kinda like a QB rating but for all NFL prospects and I've heard its pretty accurate.

I don't know much about the details but I did read that Davis Tull ranked #1 out of all the edge players in the 2015 draft, despite his shorter arms.

I need to read more about it. Anyone else familiar with it?

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings2015/edge/

06-14-2016, 06:21 PM	#2
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Minicamp Practice Updates Originally Posted by jeanpierre but I'm not sure Gwachum has the sand to hold the edge... I'd be more sure of a 270 pound Gwachum holding the edge rather than a 250 pound Kikaha... Danno and dizzle88 like this.

06-14-2016, 06:34 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Minicamp Practice Updates Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I'd be more sure of a 6-5, 270 pound Gwachum holding the edge rather than a 250 pound Kikaha... Or a 6-3, 240 Davis Tull? Or a 6-2, 253 Kasim Edebali? Or a 6-2, 258 Junior Galette?

06-14-2016, 06:51 PM	#4
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Minicamp Practice Updates Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I'd be more sure of a 270 pound Gwachum holding the edge rather than a 250 pound Kikaha... Yeah not to mention Davis Tull has T Rex arms. However, we need Gwacham to look like Tarzan AND play like Tarzan so here's hoping he can bring it.

06-15-2016, 09:18 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Minicamp Practice Updates Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I'd be more sure of a 270 pound Gwachum holding the edge rather than a 250 pound Kikaha... I'm speaking more of football weight distribution; muscle is ~2.5 times that of fat; but you need bulk, that sand in the pants to anchor against blockers... Picking up an 80 lbs box that is 4 ' X 4' X 4' vs picking up a 95 lbs barbell with friendly grips kinda thing... And playing DE in college is waaay different than playing DE in the NFL... Look, the guy has me intrigued and it's impressive that he's taken coaching advice and moved to a different position and worked to build his body... Cautiously optimistic that Gwachum can challenge, but it's a straight up observation that the guy is just raw-bone... But as I said in earlier posts, I'm more excited by the number of players we can rotate in that front four... We don't need a down lineman to play 85% of the snaps; we can rotate people for mismatches and keep the horses fresh to the fourth quarter...
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06-14-2016, 06:57 PM	#6
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Minicamp Practice Updates I wouldn't rule out the smaller guys yet.

06-15-2016, 09:31 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Minicamp Practice Updates Originally Posted by Danno Obum Gwatchum at 6-5, 270 Or Robert Quinn at 6-4, 264 Or Chandler Jones 6-5 265 Or Ezekiel Ansah 6-5 275 Or Michael Bennett 6-4, 274 Or Jason Pierre Paul at 6-5, 278 Or Greg Hardy at 6-5 280 Yeah, that one would be a good comparison, the others have more bulk...

06-14-2016, 07:03 PM	#7
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Minicamp Practice Updates Originally Posted by halloween 65 I wouldn't rule out the smaller guys yet. Definitely not... Tull is gonna put some serious heat on QB's this season. It's just good to know that one of the guys has the prototypical size; that won't matter though if he doesn't have the intensity. halloween 65 likes this.

06-14-2016, 07:13 PM	#8
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,964 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Minicamp Practice Updates Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Definitely not... Tull is gonna put some serious heat on QB's this season. It's just good to know that one of the guys has the prototypical size; that won't matter though if he doesn't have the intensity. Indeed. Kikaha brought the intensity, we'll definitely miss that this year. Hopeful for Gwachum though. We have a lot of new position coaches this year and if they can tap into the potential of guys like him and Onyemata we could have a freak nasty D-line in the next couple of years.

06-14-2016, 08:24 PM	#9
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Minicamp Practice Updates Gwachum did play defensive end at Oregon State, RR moved him to outside linebacker. He should feel right at home with the switch back to his favored position And Gwachum benched 225 22 times to Kikaha's 20 pre-draft, and ran a 4.7 40 to Kikaha's 4.9... MarchingOn likes this.

06-15-2016, 08:45 AM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Minicamp Practice Updates Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Definitely not... Tull is gonna put some serious heat on QB's this season. It's just good to know that one of the guys has the prototypical size; that won't matter though if he doesn't have the intensity. Ever heard of sparq scores? Its supposed to be a combination of physical measurements and performance metrics from the combine. Its kinda like a QB rating but for all NFL prospects and I've heard its pretty accurate. I don't know much about the details but I did read that Davis Tull ranked #1 out of all the edge players in the 2015 draft, despite his shorter arms. I need to read more about it. Anyone else familiar with it? https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings2015/edge/

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