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Did you know that we could sign him and bring him back here for a 6th round pick :idea:

He was a fan favorite and the deal breaker for the Mike McKenzie deal... not to mention the guy has talent.

Teams looking for a solid young backup could do worse than to consider restricted free agent J.T. O'Sullivan of Green Bay. The three-year veteran, who spent the first two years of his career with New Orleans, is an intriguing guy and carries only a sixth-round price tag as compensation if someone signed him away from the Packers. The youngster is bright, has a good enough arm and really has a command of the West Coast-style offense.

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I\'m surprised Green Bay doesn\'t want to hold onto him. Favre might not be back next year.

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Nope... I wouldn\'t do it. Use that pick. I take it you haven\'t seen Kingsbury yet???

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I\'ve seen Sullivan more.

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Kingsbury is in developing nicely and bigger. I rather take a chance on bringing in someone in a need position other than another qb. We need 4 for camp and guess what... we have 4 on the roster.

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There is a reason that we traded him, and there is a reason that GB isn\'t keeping him.

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jkool i would have to agree. if he was everthything we needed then green bay wouldnt be looking to get rid of him

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Did you also know JKool that if we did not include O\'Sullivan in the GreenBay trade, we would have not been able to acquire McKenzie?

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..it says he\'s a RFA, not that GB is letting him go...

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that is true will cost a 6th rounder to get him.

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i believe the reason the saints gave in trading jt was he would be a rfa this yr anyway, and they could\'nt afford him.... i wonder if gb had trouble signing him? smitty

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He looked awfully good in NFL Europe last year.

Then again, so did Rohan Davey... :puke:

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well as long as he was 3rd on depth charts, I don\'t see he would have been that much of a problem to sign. The fact that he made some waves in NFLE and we were tring to bring in a CD... he became trade bait. Only time will tell if he becomes anything. I like the guy myslef. GB isn\'t letting him go per-say. He isn\'t done and we haven\'t heard the last of him.

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And so did Jake Delhomme. :o

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Wow then why are you opposing bringing him back here for a 6th rounder? It\'s not like we are offering a gazillion dollars or anything. Basically we don\'t have anything to lose here... we got our CB and possibly getting our talented fan favorite backup QB back.

Rohan Davey is being pursed as possibly the Browns starting QB now that Holcomb has signed with the Bills. And with 3 rings, he isn\'t do so bad for himself.

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Yep, the reason we traded him .....M. McKenzie,
the reason GB is letting him go...if they do, is because he is a restricted free-agent and may be able to get a better contract from someone else who would only have to give up a sixth round pick.

I wonder what GB\'s reason for letting AB go was?

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Well, that alone ought to convince all of you that we should definitely NOT sign JT back!

Also, what is the deal. JT never did a single thing in the preseason! It\'s like people decided he was our savior based on NOTHING. Why don\'t you all just start thinking our new savior is Klingsbury and get over JT?

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JK..I can\'t speak for everyone else, and I did not get to see any of last year\'s preseason games. However, the year before that during preseason I got to see him play a couple of times, and there was something that I saw that I liked. It\'s one of those things where it wasn\'t like he had these awesome physical skills, but it was more of just having the knack to make things happen. Also, he seemed to have the kind of fire that you like to see in a QB. It\'s really hard to describe, and I\'m not really sure if he would have been the answer or not. That is the problem and where the frustration sets in. Since AB has taken over as the starter, nobody else has had a chance to work with the first unit in a REAL situation. You would like to see what someone can do before he leaves the Saints. Not saying he would have been the answer...what I am saying is that we will never know. Just like we never got a chance to see what Jake could do, really, or Bulger. Nobody is saying he would have been the savior, they are just saying they would have liked to see if that possibility existed.

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O\'Sulivan deserves to be a 3rd string QB on some team. The only way you play him is if it\'s an emergency. How many teams do you see standing in line to sign him up?

Some fans get enamored by some back-up QB because they see \"something\" in a preseason game or \"something\" over in NFL Europe. Yet, NFL coaches don\'t seem to be seeing that \"something\" that persuades them to give any of these backups a chance to start.

Not unless it\'s an emergency. Take Delhomme for example. He had been in the NFL for years. Even after Carolina signed him, they still started Peete over Delhomme. Rodney Peete ain\'t exactly the hardest guy to beat out.

You never know how a QB is gonna do unitl he gets thrown into the fire. No matter what that \"something\" you might see in a QB is ... it really don\'t mean too much.

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Lol JKool, who\'s proclaiming him as any type of savior? You are putting words in our mouths making something up to prove a point that isn\'t there.

Bulger got away. Delhomme got away. Sullivan can be had back for a 6th rounder... whOOPITY DOOo. Some of you people act like we are giving up our either draft or sign him to a gazillion dollars. Lighten up. Obviously we saw something in him when we drafted him and Green Bay saw something in him when they traded for him.

\"Teams looking for a solid young backup could do worse than to consider restricted free agent J.T. O\'Sullivan of Green Bay. The three-year veteran, who spent the first two years of his career with New Orleans, is an intriguing guy and carries only a sixth-round price tag as compensation if someone signed him away from the Packers. The youngster is bright, has a good enough arm and really has a command of the West Coast-style offense.\" <~~ Obviously some experts believe something is there also.

Sigh Gumbo we let you have your 31 year old former probowler Mayberry, gimme my 3rd string QB. GEEZ!

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The Browns will regret it...

Sure Davey\'s got some rings (I\'m unsure if he was around for all three), but he did nothing to earn them. Heck, Earthwind Moreland has got a couple of rings, too. Should we sign him?

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No one knows how O\'Sullivan will do in his NFL career. It\'s quite possible he might be the next Brett Favre. However, that\'s not very likely.

Whatever O\'Sullivan is gonna do, he\'s gonna have to do it just like every other bench riding QB. He\'s going to have to wait for his time to come and make the most of his opportunity when it arrives.

Either he\'s gonna have to go to a team that is DESPERATE for a QB, like Jake going to Carolina when all they had was Rodney Peete, or he\'ll get put in when it\'s an emergency. Like when Brooks went in for an injured Jeff Blake.

No team that has an adequete starting QB is gonna think of putting O\'Sullivan on the field when they are trying to win a game. Not unless the starter is stinkin\' it up so bad that they are forced to.

Chances are O\'Sullivan will be a career back-up or he\'ll be out of the league soon. He\'ll be lucky if he is EVER a starting QB.

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Yea just for his name....i wonder what his middle name is?

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papz, I\'m sorry you felt like I was putting words in your mouth; I wasn\'t, that is why I said \"it is like some people\". That doesn\'t refer to you. I understand how you may have got that impression, but I wasn\'t trying to give that impression. Also, I wasn\'t trying to prove a point. I\'m trying to figure out what the deal is with everyone being excited about JT.

LB, thanks for the thoughts. I saw the preseason games, and for a few minutes here and there I think I saw what you are talking about too. On the other hand, I also saw a guy with NO NFL experience making as many bad plays as good ones.

I do agree with you ont this though: \"what I am saying is that we will never know.\" I think that is absolutely to the point and correct. That is why I suggest there is NO reason to be excited about him at all. We have another guy, his name is Kingsbury to get excited about; I suggest that people get excited about him and get over JT.

As far as our 6th round pick - we got Bockwoldt, whom everybody loves for a 7th. Why would we give up that chance on a guy who is CERTAINLY a backup. That should appeal to all you risk-lovers; we take a risk with our 6th rounder, rather than getting back a guy we know won\'t be starting.

We have at least one (probably 3) 3rd string QB on the roster already - Bouman, Kingsbury and Finlin. Do we need another? Talk about addressing an area of need!

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Yea I wasn\'t sugguesting we bring him in and start him by any means, just the fact that Bouman has one year left on his contract and Sullivan has some talent to backup Brooks. A plus is that he is smart and familiar with the system. Though I wouldn\'t mind us drafting a Charlie Frye, Orton, Walter in the ladder rounds of the draft either.

I wasn\'t overly thrilled with Kingsbury in college, I loved his successor more than I liked him. I guess with more exposure, I\'ll jump on the Kingsbury bandwagon too. Just too bad I\'m not off the O\'Sullivan wagon yet. :(

One more thing, don\'t want to burst your bubble but Colby was a 7th round pick. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/player...e?statsId=6999
There ya go ;)

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I thought that is what I said? I was suggesting that a 6th is better than the pick we used for Bockwoldt - apologies for not writing more clearly on that one.

Either way, I see your argument regarding JT. At least he knows the system, we know what he\'s got as a back up, he does appear to have some heart. I agree with all that. I guess, I just feel like a 6th is actually too high for him. We have a bunch of other guys who can play backup QB here in NO.

Perhaps someone can post something about Kingsbury or Finlen? Maybe that would help, papz? I\'m not gonna lie, I\'m too tired to look it up right now... maybe later today.

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I have too much out in the bowels of West Texas. He lacks an arm. His stats were a result of the system. the guy that came after him did better than he ever did. All Kliff has is personality, he\'ll never be a starter.

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LMAO who said hes a starter... we are talking a 3rd string qb... WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A 3RD STRING QB PEOPLE. JT isn\'t coming in here to start if they go for that. JT is a RFA and doesn\'t mean GB is letting him go. I love it when people read to much into things.

Great Papz see what you started, lol.

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Here is a snipet on Finlen from Asia.cnet.com:

Here\'s one on Kingsbury:
http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/394613
Sounds like they agree with CBB, above. Maybe he\'d be an ok game manager, but we don\'t really have the defense for that.

Finlen, Finlen, Finlen... ok, maybe we could use another 3rd stringer at QB, but only after we get an OT, LB, and Safety... AT LEAST.

[Edited on 5/3/2005 by JKool]

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Euphoria... that\'s because no one really reads entire post.

If everyone would just go back to the orginal post and read the part where \"Teams looking for a solid young backup...\" Ah Ha! :shock: This thread was people for people who liked what they saw in O\'Sullivan when he was here and overseas. I like him so why not? 6th rounder? Geez... I think it\'s worth it but that\'s just me. Like everyone else said... who says GB won\'t match an offer? They did want him in the first place... nothing to lose in my opinion.

As for Kingsbury... I don\'t believe he\'s even had a chance to play NFL Europe or a preseason game, which makes O\'Sullivan a better choice. Although I\'m not against giving Kingsbury a chance either... I\'m all for developing young players in case anyone hasn\'t noticed.


[Edited on 5/3/2005 by papz]

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I watched almost every game that O\'Sullivan played in last summer in NFLE. I liked the guy a lot. Smart, athletic, and he has a lot of heart. I\'d like to see him back. I haven\'t seen Kingsbury, but I can\'t imagine the guy is that great. I live in Chicago. The guy played his college ball at Northern Illinois, or someplace like that. I never heard about him. He was undrafted out of college and didn\'t play for two years. Somehow I doubt that he\'s the answer at QB. If the Saints organization is talking him up that makes me doubt it even more.

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Northern Illinois, Texas Tech...what\'s the difference?

For the record, Finlen went to Northern Illinois, not Kingsbury. ;)

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Aww shhh---t. Nevermind then. Wrong guy. Hey, it\'s a Saturday night. I\'m boozin\'. Whattya want from me? :)

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I\'m printing this, having it stuffed, and hangin it on my wall. What a trophy! :D

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LOL. Feel free Scotty.

It\'s all that damn Jack Daniels\' fault. :)

By the way, he\'s calling my name....

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JT is going to carry a higher price tag... 3rd string qb -emergency qb if you will and or one of which you take a change on developing. Kingsbury is the guy to groom for Boumans spot at this point and who knows. JT served his purpose and that was trade bait.

I\'d admit we could do worse things than bringing him back... you also have to keep in mind that he is in a great spot for potentially taking over a team such as GB when and if Farve departs with GB. Think about this... If you have a chance to start for an NFL this year or next or traded yet again to a team you will be riding the pine for another 3-4 years. This is a no brainer... he is staying put unless a great offer comes along.

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With guys like McMahon and McCown available, I don\'t see any reason to not go for a Mc over an O\'.

Here is O\'Sullivan:Link: http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=196&p=8&c=1&nid=1542987

O\'Sullivan is much less proven than either of the McBoys noted above. My preference, if we\'re going to get an RFA is McCown - in fact, I prefer him to McMahon.