JKool

I am frustrated, but I am frustrated with two things: (1) I am frustrated we don\'t have a first rate LB in the fold already and that I haven\'t heard anything about an OT, and (2) I am frustrated with people telling me that any interpretation of the data, except the one that paints us as woeful losers, is the view of a crack addict. However, you are right in thinking that I\'m not so small as to take out my frustration on SOMEONE - which I didn\'t do. Thanks for volunteering though.

You will also notice, that I did not mention anyone\'s name in my post; actually, I didn\'t even have anyone in mind at all. I was merely venting about a particular view - one that maybe no one holds, for all I know. It wasn\'t directed at any person - unlike your\'s where you accuse me of being small and mean:
Really? You seem to take me to be quite the idiot sometimes. That sounds awfully kind. Thanks for, again, deciding to but me in some neat little category - \"Gumbo\'s buddy.\" I\'m sick of that Whodi, and I would have expected more from you, since I thought we had some respect for one another. Perhaps, we should just bring back the old sunshiner/moonshiner distinction - that was a really helpful way for people to make fun of each other instead of responding to ideas, arguments, or thoughts?

Furthermore, I don\'t see why I should only get to say that \"I\'m an optimist\", when others are not simply stating \"I\'m a pessimist.\" No, I get to hear how we can\'t do anything right, haven\'t, and never will. However, you seem to be proposing that the only viable response for the optimist is this - \"sure we can\'t do anything right, haven\'t, and never will, but I\'m an optimist\"? I\'m not getting your suggestion Whodi.

Moreover, I don\'t defend them at every turn! I\'ve stated many things that they\'ve done wrong. However, just as in the AB debate, I don\'t feel a real need to get on the \"pessimism wagon\" when I am pessimistic, we have plenty of those guys around here. It seems to me a better idea to try and make some points where there are points to be made.

I don\'t see why you get to bash everything that anyone optimistic says around here. (Billy is not on crack, he\'s not here just to annoy people, he\'s not a mean spirited bad person, he sometimes gets a little worked up - but mainly he presents a different way of discussing the topic. If people really just want to come here and agree with everyone then people like Billy, and probably me, ought to leave. Does that sound like what would be best? If my thoughts on what the organization is NOT doing so badly, my views on which arguments are unfounded, my ideas about what might be going on are merely ticking people off, then someone ought to just tell me, and I\'ll try and get on board with merely posting \"I agree\" after every negative thing that is said - whould that be better?). You seem to think that anyone who defends this team (or even merely thinks the pessimistic side is overstated) is only entitled to \"I\'m an optimist\" as a response. Perhaps I\'m misunderstanding your suggestion, but right now I don\'t get it.

Finally, I said 0-16. Do you guys want people to put words in your mouths? I didn\'t put that in any one\'s mouth. I made that suggestion as a sarchastic point against all the hating that I have to listen to here - day in and day out. Sure it is bad, but how bad is it? Is it 0-16 bad? I DOUBT ANYONE THINKS THAT, but I sure feel as though some people are expressing their ideas in a way that sounds about in line with that. How about some perspective. We were 8-8 with the guys we had last year - why would anyone think we\'d be WORSE if we didn\'t sign anyone? Certainly, we all want a SB, and certainly we aren\'t going to do it without some upgrades, but without a super star FA... maybe? Why not?

OK, I lied, here is one more thing: if you think the view that I presented here is false, instead of analyzing me, how about you say what is wrong with it, just like papz and FV did?

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks

mutineer10

You know, those last four games were really something to be proud of. Sure, there are little reasons that can be picked apart as to why we won each (no Vick & Crumpler, Jake had a bad day, etc.), but at the end of the day, we finished the season on a pretty impressive run.

However, the 8-8 overall record - and no playoff appearance - undeniably signify that improvements still stand to be made. Free agency has begun, and thus far we have no real indication that any of those improvements are in the works. Understandably, this has caused frustration.

We can all peacefully coexist here. Deep down, most of us agree on the core beliefs. We want the Saints to win, the defense and O-line need improvement, etc. Sure, the last four games were a bright spot in an otherwise cloudy season, but it remains to be seen if the Saints will take the necessary means to build on those good things we saw.

We\'re all on the same side, folks. No need for us to fight amongst ourselves, when we all want the same thing in the end...

Now, let\'s all join hands and sing Kumbayah...

JKool

Here, here, mutey.

Kumbayah, my lord, kumbayah... but I ain\'t holdin\' hands... :hallucine:

Euphoria

A few things I think worth mentioning is that the NFC became weak if you will this past season... if they go out and turn it around they\'ll be dominate, in a mere few weeks.

The only things we can hope for is that the change in OC hopefully makes some difference and some of the players step up or develop to there potential finally.

JKool

I will certainly hope for that! Though, sadly, in this case, I\'m not that optimistic.

We can still get a Hartwell or a Witherspoon. Womack, among others, is still available at OT. We still have a possible Howard deal! I have hope... but it is both fading and being beaten from me.

saintswhodi

First Kool, you and me got no problems. That\'s why I was couldn\'t believe this post. I threw Gumbo in there cause he is the kind of person that would make a post like this. This is the kind of stir the pot posts he makes when he was in a disagreement with someone and wants to move it elsewhere and get his point across. It\'s not a \"you\'re Gumbo\'s buddy\" post. Before you get so upset, maybe you wanna find where I EVER said that about you before.

As we all are, but if you express it, you get told to \"calm down.\"

Please show me where someone TOLD you this. Or where you took that meaning from what someone said. I doubt anyone TOLD you this, but I am willing to be wrong.

If it\'s a view that \"maybe\" noone holds, what is the point of this post? If noone holds this view, are you imagining it? You had to get the frustration from somewhere, maybe from the same person who TOLD you you were on crack for your beliefs. I still wanna see that. I\'d also like to see where I called you mean and small, or again is this another \"interpretation.\"

What times are those? When I disagree with you? But I see where interpretation has gotten us.

I explained why I used Gumbo in there, show me where I EVER said it before, cause surely I must have daily if you are \"sick of it.\"

I don\'t \"Bash\" anything or anyone but AB. I disagree when I see follishness from this team and don\'t just hope for things to change. I also disagree when someone tells me I should just smile and be happy when the team I care about doesn\'t seem to care for its fans. IT\'s like having a rich uncle on heroin, but he makes a lot of money. SO everyone says \"look how much money he makes,\" but noone wants to say how the heroin will destroy him and his life before too long. Well, I am the person he stands up and points at his heroin habit and calls him out. I am just in a position where I will believe things will be different when the team proves it is. They haven\'t so far. I would take bac every word if they showed me ANYTHING different.

I never said ANY of these things about Billy, although others have. I have had it out with him on more than one occasion, but I never called him names. I always questioned his motives for the things he did. I know others HAVE said these things about him though. I have just learned to accept him as he is, and live with it. At one point I thought he was a guy I would never like, but he ain\'t so bad. If you have seen where I said these things about him, i\'d like to see it.

When someone says, \"I have hope we will get something done. This person and this person and this person are still available, just wait and see,\" is that not optimism? What should I call it? That\'s optimism if I ever heard it. I have said 40 times, I am glad you are OPTIMISTIC about FA, that does not \"label\" you as only an optimist. Again, interpretation, or misinterpretation. Why is everything so personal with you?

To finish, you didn\'t have to make this about ANYONE in particular, but this statement sounds awful close to a misquote of what I said in the other thread we were disagreeing in, and about MM being a forced move. If it\'s not, I wonder who else shared this view, or expressed it as much as I did.

So instead of taking every statement as a personal attack on you, why don\'t you, as the smart guy I KNOW you are, look at what is being said. If someone says you are optimistic, they are not labeling you as strictly an optimist. If someone disagrees with you and believes strongly in what they are saying, it doesn\'t mean you are on crack cause you believe differently. And I need to \"calm down?\" Dude, put some armor around your feelings. Your interpretations only seem to lead you that everyone who disagrees with you is insulting you, and that is far from the truth.

[Edited on 6/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

[Edited on 6/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

JOESAM2002

I sure hope you boys got that crap out of your systems. :casstet: