OT Fred Miller might be Saint by Sunday.
 

OT Fred Miller might be Saint by Sunday.
 

i\'d feel a lot better about maybery with miller too.

OT Fred Miller might be Saint by Sunday.
 

Good grief, doesn\'t anybody remember how awful the Rams line was this past year??? Is Miller really any better than Riley or Gandy???

I sure hope he\'s cheaper...

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Yeah, but we ain\'t signing the RAMS offensive line. We\'re trying to sign Fred Miller..

Did you watch Fred Miller much? If so ... fill us in?!

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Oh yeah, he was at Tennessee wasn\'t he?

Well, that\'s a bit more encouraging. Except that the Titans were plagued by injury at the skill positions all season.

Nah, I\'ve not really kept tabs on Miller\'s career. He\'s not a real interesting player, in the traditional sense. Seriously, that\'s why I asked if he was really any better than Riley or Gandy. I dunno if he is or not.

He ain\'t no linebacker, that\'s for sure...

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Fred Miller (OT) 3/6/2005
Miller could be signed by Chicago as early as Sunday, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports. Miller was reportedly deciding between Chicago and New Orleans as late as Saturday but the Saints\' signing of Jermane Mayberry on Saturday likely dropped them out of the running. The Rams are also interested but don\'t feel that they\'ll be able to meet his contract demands.

www.rotowire.com

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Something we already figured Gumbo... you are still in denial. I guess no one remembers who was the Rams starting RT when they were dominant, it was Fred Miller. After that year they made the superbowl, I believe he signed a MONSTER contract with the Titans and been there ever since. He would have made more sense for our team but Mayberry probably is cheaper.

Four guards will be starting on this line next season, but we will be fine because at least Mayberry has the size for tackle. Four games experience there does kind of worry me but anyone is better than Victor Riley.

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It\'s just speculation, papz. The guy just speculated Miller would sign with the Bears because we signed Mayberry.

Do you have some inside info or are you just speculating that we have no interest in Fred Miller? Do tell... :P

[Edited on 6/3/2005 by GumboBC]

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Obviously from all the post in this forum, radio, and TV, we have interest in the guy. If we didn\'t we wouldn\'t have brought him in. :cool: Hey maybe I\'m just in denial on how good Jacox and Holland are. ;) After reading your previous post, and how we are with free agents, he probably is already a Bear.

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I like Montre Holland. He\'s a beast in the running game. Jacox seemed to regress last year?!

We had problems on the outside of our offensive line. I\'m talking about LT and RT. But, the interior of our line was nothing to brag about.

Very little running room to the inside. Deuce was regularly tackled in the back field. Most of that was due to defenders running straght through the middle of our offensive line.

Serious question here, papz ...

On a scale from 1 to 10, how did our offensive guards perform this past year?

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If signing Mayberry put us out of the running for Miller, but we needed Miller more, somebody explain to me why in the HECK we signed Mayberry???

4 games at tackle is NOT what we\'ve been looking for. So although Mayberry may be an upgrade over Jacox or Holland, he ain\'t really helping much in the real area of need.

By the way, whatever happened to that Jamar Nesbit guy we picked up last year? He\'s a OG, younger than Mayberry, and so far as I know not injury prone. The depth chart says he started 4 games last season. Wonder why he\'s not getting a look?

I sure hope Mayberry is more impressive than I think he\'ll be...

On a scale of 1 to 10, I\'d give the OG\'s a 7. They were a ho-hum tandem, probably helped by having Bentley between them. At least they didn\'t seem to get penalized as often as Riley or Gandy, but OG\'s rarely draw as many penalties as OT\'s. Our poor rushing ranking (27th, was it?) indicates that all is not well. But at the same time, injuries to Deuce - and constantly playing from behind - had an effect on our rushing rank, too.

[Edited on 6/3/2005 by mutineer10]

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Mayberry wasn\'t my first choice, to be sure. But, not only has Mayberry started 4-games at RT ... He\'s started 17-games at LT. Obviously, he\'s got some skills. That\'s over a full season he played at LEFT TACKLE!

Jim Pyne, the new assistant offensive line coach, coached Mayberry in Philly. So, I would think he knows what Mayberry brings to the table?

To be honest, I don\'t know if Mayberry or Fred Miller is the best player at this point in their careers? I don\'t think any of us do.

I\'m just going to have to wait and see. Until then, I guess I\'ll just have to hear from \"some folks\" how much of a mistake it was.

Negativity ... what a wonderfut thing.... ;)

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Hey, I\'m being as positive as I can. I don\'t have anything against Jermane Mayberry per se, I simply don\'t think OG was the first order of business. If they wanna give him a shot at OT, that\'s fine with me. As I said...

...and I\'m willing to wait and see.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/NO/8257733

I dunno if Loomis knows anything about talent or not, but he may have a point. Posters have talked before about Nesbit & Stinchcomb in the \"why aren\'t they on the field yet\" vein. Maybe, having played several positions, Mayberry can serve to mentor those two a bit.

Trying to stay postive ... where\'s my JD???

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mutineer10 --

I think you\'re being much more fair about the signing of Mayberry than most. That comment wasn\'t intended for you. They know who they aree.. ;)

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Trust me I stay positive... I have no problem with us signing this guy. If it makes our team better, and not break us financially, go for it! Not only did he come cheap, if he\'s not run-down, I think he\'ll be a good right tackle. :P

That\'s hard for me to grade Gumbo because if we didn\'t have to abandon the running game every second half, I\'m pretty sure it would have made them look much better. And judging from previous seasons, last season was a fluke. If you say our guard play was horrible, can you really say Holland out performed Jacox, vice versa? Nah I don\'t think you can and you are judging by previous seasons and potential. I agree with you Holland is better, but not by much. Look at Jacox\'s track record... he blocked for Tomlinson and Deuce, two ProBowl running backs. He must be doing something right. They both are very good run blockers.

With ALL factors included.... it went from a 9 to a 6.5. And if you think Mayberry is an improvement over Jacox, we\'ll just find out whether Fred Miller is signed or not. After all, Mayberry\'s natural position is right guard... oh wait, Montrae Holland starts there :o

[Edited on 6/3/2005 by papz]

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My way of thinking, papz, is IF we could have run the ball with any consistency, we would have stuck with it.

The simple TRUTH of the matter is we couldn\'t run the ball with ANY consistency.

Power running teams, don\'t abandon the run. Not when it\'s working.

It\'s true we got away from the running the football is SOME games. But I posted the stats when we DIDN\'T get away from running the football and we sucked.

I don\'t know whose fault it was. I do know I saw defenders crashing into our backfield on a pretty consistent basis.

I can\'t count the times I saw Decue take the handoff and get met in the backfield by a defender.

[Edited on 6/3/2005 by GumboBC]

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I saw those too, and those defenders were LBs, cause those are called blitzes, some of which :censored: failed to audible out of. Not 100% the line\'s fault there, but point made.

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Well, according to Joe Horn, McCarthy wouldn\'t let Brooks check from a pass to a run. He said McCarthy was scared receiever would run the wrong route or one of the offensive linemen would screw it up. Joe also said Brooks has asked to be allowed to check off from a run to a pass or a pass to a run this year.

And, yeah, some of that pressure was coming from linebackers. But many times it was just a defensive lineman.

I expected our offensive line to be good this past year. When I saw how they played in preseaon, with Bouman at QB, I thought there was NO way in hell this group could be that bad. I even posed here that it was only preseaon and I wasn\'t that concerned. Much to my surprise, it carried right into the regular season. Something was badly wrong.

If it\'s one area that HAS to get fixed this offseason, it\'s the offensive line. They played just as bad as the defensvie line, IMHO.

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Like I said, point made. But trying to pass this off as 100% on the line was false. It was LBs more than it was defensive linemen on run downs, and defensive lineman more than LBs on passing downs. Our line DOES need to get better, I agree whole-heartedly. But why is THAT the priority? As you have so often pointed out, our defense was 32nd. No matter how much I feel the O may have a part in that, the D HAS to be improved. HAS TO. IF nothing else, a stuffing DT. Not nothing. Whish is where we are right now. I guess Howard Green played well enough or they believe Sully\'s crap. :casstet:

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Everyone has their own idea on how to fix things and that\'s fine. What I\'m trying to point out is that it\'s not entirely the RB\'S fault, Jacox\'s fault (whole line is to blame) ;) , etc... defense, playing calling, lack of IQ :exclam: . Our play calling leading to 3 and outs the entire first half of every game, kind of puts a strain on the running game and defense every game. Same can be made about the defense putting us in the hole early. I think sw made a very good point on how our poor defense made our offense look worse in one of the other threads. Get\'s kind of predictable when teams know we are going to run the ball on first and 2nd down, while they have 8 men in the box, and they can\'t complete a 3rd down pass to save their lives.

Basically I\'ve come to a conclusion about everything... it\'s the coaches fault. I think we can all agree we are never prepared in the first halves of games making our WHOLE team look bad.

I just can\'t stand when some of our talented players get dogged out. Deuce being injured, Jacox being no good, Mitchell having no talent, Stecker playing like garbage etc... I like to see the right people being faulted that\'s all. Maybe I\'m just too loyal. But I don\'t think that\'s a bad thing with so much negativity around.

[Edited on 6/3/2005 by papz]

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That doesn\'t sound like a Whodi thesis to me... :angel:

I agree! However, I think that the coaches aren\'t just to blame for poor game planning. I think poor scheming (check 2TE basic set), poor player evaluation (asking guys to do things they couldn\'t), and poor discipline (at least until near the end of the season).

:thumbsup:

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Yeah, papz did get me wrong on that one. But I think he has a point about coaching. I also think he just switched the units he was quoting me from, as evidenced by his criticism of three and outs by the offense in the next line. But overall, point taken.

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Looks like Fred Miller wants to be paid and it looks as though the Bears don\'t have much cap room. Sounds like good news to me.

PS - Very good points made by all.

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\"THE OFFENSE DID NOT MAKE THE DEFENSE BAD. A SUB_PAR OFFENSE MADE A BAD DEFENSE LOOK WORSE.\"

There is the exact quote GEEZ! It was just off the top of my head when I made that other point. But it\'s within the same parameters :P In my opinion, the defense made the offensive look worse than it really was. Wait nevermind, the same can be said about both sides and it wouldn\'t be wrong.

And about Miller... he\'s definately looking to break bank. This is probably his last contract and he is the 2nd rated RT out there. Look at the contract Jennings signed with San Fran, 6 for 36 million I think with a hefty signing bonus. I\'m pretty sure he\'s not asking for that much, but I\'m sure it will be out of our range.

Don\'t worry Gumbo, we don\'t need Miller anyways. I have a good feeling Mayberry will do well at RT and Jacox/Holland will bounce back. Once again will we have one of the top rushing games in the league... unlike our fluke 2004 season. They\'ve gotten the job done before, have a lil faith in my boys! Think positive! :banana:

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(hiccup) ... uhh, 1:30 now? Mmm ... JD ... :seeingstars:

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papz, I like you. Keep spreadin\' the love.

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Mutey... it is like 3:00 now... missing a few hours? :facesjump:

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(Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday in \"Tombstone\" voice)

\"Not me ... I\'m in my prime ...\"

Hey, it WAS 1:30 when I posted that!

But seriously, it\'s gettin\' pretty late on a Sunday for the big Miller signing to be announced. Haven\'t heard if he signed with anyone else, either, but it doesn\'t look like it\'s gonna get done today (if at all).

[Edited on 6/3/2005 by mutineer10]

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Are you sure, it was 3:00 when I saw it... ;)