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lee909 07-31-2016 10:40 AM

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My phones not off the hook. Dont understand why i haven't had a call yet

jeanpierre 07-31-2016 10:43 AM

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Here's the Lampmann catch...


jeanpierre 07-31-2016 10:52 AM

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Somebody forgot to get the memo to Lampmann that he's just a camp body...


jeanpierre 07-31-2016 10:54 AM

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Maybe Manning is seeking a one day contract to retire a Saint?!?


jeanpierre 07-31-2016 10:56 AM

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Know we're getting ahead of ourselves, but I'm looking forward to the possibility of all these preseason prognosticators who're on record re: 2016 Free Agent Class having to give re-takes on some of the Saints' signings like Robertson...


jeanpierre 07-31-2016 10:57 AM

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Point - Mr. Lawrence, Cobra Kai...


jeanpierre 07-31-2016 11:00 AM

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I can see a situation developing where we break camp with five (5) cornerbacks not named Lewis (e.g. Del Breaux, P.J. Williams, Damian Swann, Brian Dixon and De'Vante Harris) and with Lewis being designated IR - to return...


jeanpierre 07-31-2016 11:15 AM

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44Champs 07-31-2016 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 710130)

I haven't seen or read anything about Andreus Peat in the last 2 years that leads me to believe he was worth a #1 pick.

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jeanpierre 07-31-2016 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 710174)
I haven't seen or read anything about Andreus Peat in the last 2 years that leads me to believe he was worth a #1 pick.

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Agree that he got off to an auspicious start, but he's dominated everyone not named Cam Jordan in practice when he's been at Left Tackle...

jeanpierre 07-31-2016 11:35 AM

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ChrisXVI 07-31-2016 11:46 AM

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I want to make sure these guys get their due...



They're having great camps so far.

The Dude 07-31-2016 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 710151)

Where did he come from?

K Major 07-31-2016 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 710142)

Cooks, Snead, Thomas, Fleener & (TBD).... that offense will be on FIRE!

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The Dude 07-31-2016 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 710161)
Stupar has had reps in passing downs with the ones and has looked very good...

Ellerbe may be a surprise cut, or have his contract number redrawn at the least...

Is the Ellerbie statement coming out of camp reports or is it just your opinion?

|Mitch| 07-31-2016 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 710181)
Where did he come from?

undrafted out of Ferris State(Michigan)

jeanpierre 07-31-2016 12:22 PM

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This reminds me of Larry Bird running the bleachers after practice...

This is the type of character needed to mould a Championship Team...




jeanpierre 07-31-2016 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 710184)
Is the Ellerbie statement coming out of camp reports or is it just your opinion?




WhoDatFan26 07-31-2016 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 710153)
so Breaux and who are the starting corners; opinions?

Can Lewis get back or does someone like Williams take over?

My money is still on Keenan. Remember he was able to completely shut down DeSean Jackson when we played Philly in The Wild Card Game in Philly in 2014. He and Breaux are both Long, and can run stride for stride with receivers. The other guys are best suited to be either 3rd or slot corners at this juncture of their careers.

|Mitch| 07-31-2016 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 (Post 710188)
My money is still on Keenan. Remember he was able to completely shut down DeSean Jackson when we played Philly in The Wild Card Game in Philly in 2014. He and Breaux are both Long, and can run stride for stride with receivers.

Remember that was two injuries ago; after knee/hip problems he can't be as fast as he once was...

|Mitch| 07-31-2016 12:50 PM

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NonieT 07-31-2016 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 710189)
Remember that was two injuries ago; after knee/hip problems he can't be as fast as he once was...

Just how would you know? Have you seen him run lately?

|Mitch| 07-31-2016 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 710191)
Just how would you know? Have you seen him run lately?

No; but it's common sense... No way injuries and age do not impact speed in a negative way...

WhoDatFan26 07-31-2016 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 710189)
Remember that was two injuries ago; after knee/hip problems he can't be as fast as he once was...

I'd still put my money on Keenan. Even with a loss of speed, he knows how to cover receivers. PJ and Swann's problem will be the fact that haven't seen everything as of yet. Keenan will know how to attack and cover with more effectiveness. I'm all for the young guns getting experience and bettering themselves, but if Keenan can even walk on the field and play somewhat decent, you can believe he'll be starting opposite Breaux.

NonieT 07-31-2016 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 710161)
Stupar has had reps in passing downs with the ones and has looked very good...

Ellerbe may be a surprise cut, or have his contract number redrawn at the least...

I thought his contract was redrawn.

|Mitch| 07-31-2016 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26 (Post 710193)
PJ and Swann's problem will be the fact that haven't seen everything as of yet.


|Mitch| 07-31-2016 01:09 PM

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|Mitch| 07-31-2016 01:10 PM

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NonieT 07-31-2016 01:12 PM

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No; but it's common sense... No way injuries and age do not impact speed in a negative way...

Maybe you should put your crystal ball away and wait until you see him run.

|Mitch| 07-31-2016 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 710198)
Maybe you should put your crystal ball away and wait until you see him run.

I was asking opinions; maybe you should voice your opinion and not criticize mine. Just a thought...

NonieT 07-31-2016 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 710199)
I was asking opinions; maybe you should voice your opinion and not criticize mine. Just a thought...

You weren't asking anything you were giving an unproven opinion. I did voice mine, you just don't like it.

|Mitch| 07-31-2016 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NonieT (Post 710200)
You weren't asking anything you were giving an unproven opinion. I did voice mine, you just don't like it.

No I asked who everyone thought would be our starting corners; Whodatfan26 said Lewis and Breaux would be because they are long and can run stride for stride with receivers. I responded with remember that was two injuries ago. That's when you jumped in...

It helps to read and comprehend...

ChrisXVI 07-31-2016 02:18 PM

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Underhill's Day 4 Observations:

Attendance: Safety Alden Darby (ankle) and offensive lineman Ryker Mathews (knee) were not present. Safety Erik Harris (hamstring), defensive tackle Nick Fairley (unknown) and tight end Michael Hoomanawanui (unknown) observed the session. Cornerback Keenan Lewis and offensive lineman Terron Armstead remain on the physically unable to perform list.

Practice difference: One interesting thing at practice has been the difference in positional drills with some new coaches on staff. The offensive line went through a half-line drill today with plays going off in rapid succession on each side of the field. This was a new wrinkle, and it seemed to be very efficient.

Rookie woes: David Onyemata showed off some of his rawness today during one-on-one pass-rush drills. The rookie from Canada had trouble with the snap count and jumped offsides several times. Being that he's fairly new to the game, it should be expected that he'll endure some growing pains.

Rankins effort: One of the better moments during practice came when Sheldon Rankins ran six or seven yards down the field to chase down a screen pass. If he hadn't gone after it, the play might have carried on for another 20 yards before someone caught up to it. The moment showed his motor and pursuit for the ball, which are quality traits to have on defense.

I like Lamp: One young player to keep an eye on is rookie wide receiver Jake Lampman. He's unheralded and unknown right now, but he's starting to rack up some targets and is making a positive impression on the coaching staff. He forced people to take notice today when he got behind the defense and reeled in a deep pass from Grayson.

Can't guard Mike: The Daily Mike Thomas Highlight wasn't as spectacular today, but he caught the eye when he broke a Vonn Bell tackle and turned up field for some yards after the catch. It's too soon to evaluate, but he also looked good during a drill when the receivers practiced their blocking.

Blitzed: The defense blitzed often on Sunday, and there were sacks were happening all over the field. Davis Tull, Obum Gwacham John Jenkins all recorded sacks, and there might have been some others. The quarterbacks faced a good amount of pressure and mostly did a good job of handling it.

No slipping: Daniel Lasco and Travaris Cadet both fumbled during an inside running drill. The battle at running back is tight, and while both players have had good moments, this is a competition where a lot of mistakes cannot be made.

Sneaded it: Willie Snead put together a nice pair of back-to-back plays when he broke by a safety and turned a short pass up field and then went up and high-pointed a pass on the sidelines with Damian Swann in coverage.

Cam looking sharp: Cam Jordan has been really impressive in one-on-one pass-rush drills, again dominating his reps. He also had a nice run stuff during the inside running drill. It doesn't look like he's suffered any attrition since a stellar 2015 season.

Rush drills: The most decisive wins during the one-on-one drill came from Jordan, Rankins, Kasim Edebali, Bobby Richardson and Davis Tull. Andrus Peat looked really good at tackle, holding up Gwacham a pair of times. Landon Turner also had a nice rep and later laid a key block on a Tim Hightower screen.

Brees passing: Drew Brees completed 13-of-16 passes. He targeted Willie Snead (4/4), Brandon Coleman (2/2), Colby Fleener (3/3), Brandin Cooks (0/3), Mark Ingram (3/3) and Tim Hightower (2/2). Cooks appeared to get banged up a little at one point but did not miss any time.

Grayson passing: Garrett Grayson completed 7-of-12 passes. He targeted Chris Manhertz (1/1), Brandon Coleman (2/3), Austin Johnson (0/1), Michael Thomas (0/1), Jake Lampman (1/1), Brandin Cooks (0/1), Hakeem Nicks (1/1) and Tommylee Lewis (1/1). Grayson threw an interception after Cooks slipped on his route. The pass to Thomas arrived after Brandon Dixon gave him a good push while they were in pursuit of the ball. Grayson threw away two passes.

McCown passing: Luke McCown completed 7-of-8 passes. He targeted Tommylee Lewis (2/2), Michael Thomas (1/1), Garrett Griffin (1/1), Hakeem Nicks (1/1), Reggie Bell (0/1), Daniel Lasco (1/1) and Chris Manhertz (1/1). The one incompletion was a dropped pass.

lee909 07-31-2016 03:00 PM

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If Lewis is 100% he is ine of the best snd most underrated CBs in the league.

The Dude 07-31-2016 04:19 PM

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That says nothing about being cut or needing to restructure.
He already restructured anyway.

The Dude 07-31-2016 05:32 PM

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They are really trying hard to sell us on this defense. I hope it's not all media hype. Is Matt Flynn at camp?

jeanpierre 07-31-2016 06:08 PM

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Well, so far Can't-Guard-Mike is living up to his self-named moniker; I'm most impressed with his work ethic and discipline in camp thus far...


jeanpierre 07-31-2016 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 710217)
That says nothing about being cut or needing to restructure.
He already restructured anyway.

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K Major 07-31-2016 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 710196)

Thomas is a STUD but there is no way PJ should be getting pushed back like that while jamming him at the line. Took him a while to recover.

jeanpierre 07-31-2016 07:51 PM

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Look I like Westbank as much as anybody, but he's built like an Ethiopian Long Distance Runner, not an NFL cornerback...

Even if he gets through his latest injuries, he's gonna be good for what? 3 to 4 games? He's just not built for 16 games...

See my earlier comment...what does that do for the chemistry and consistency of the secondary with Lewis week to week?!?

It's the same problem with Byrd, only Byrd doesn't play if he's even got a chigger bite on his lower leg, Westbank will at least try to game out...


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