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jeanpierre 08-01-2016 09:03 AM

Saints tackle Andrus Peat is in shape and playing well at his second training camp
 
After camp struggles last season, second-year lineman Andrus Peat has impressed for the Saints thus far

BY NICK UNDERHILL | NUNDERHILL@THEADVOCATE.COM JUL 31, 2016 - 5:13 PM

WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS, W.Va. — It was a year ago here at Saints training camp when the concerns surfaced.

Was that Andrus Peat struggling through his conditioning runs? Is he out of shape? Is he going to be able to contribute?

A first-round pick, Peat came into his first NFL training camp with outside expectations that he would compete with Zach Strief to start at right tackle. Instead, his conditioning slowed him early, and he spent his first season mostly as a reserve.

The situation is different now. Peat is in shape, and the first time he caught eyes this week was during the first practice, when he tossed rookie lineman Ryker Mathews on his backside during a positional drill.

“He’s a supremely talented O-lineman,” center Max Unger said. “He’s got himself really in a position to really do a lot of good stuff this year, just his conditioning work during the offseason. He’s done a lot.”

This is a big year for Peat — not just for his development, but for the success of the Saints. He has spent the opening days of camp filling in for left tackle Terron Armstead, who is nursing an injury, but Peat is expected to spend the season at guard.

Having that kind of versatility will be important for the Saints, especially if Peat excels at both spots. And while some observers believe an offensive lineman should be able to plug and play at any position, it’s not nearly that simple.

Moving from one side of the line to the other means changing up techniques that have become second nature. Instead of dropping your right foot first, suddenly it’s your left. That might not seem like a big deal, but when your body instinctively knows where to step first when J.J. Watt is barreling down on you, that's a major benefit.

It’s even more difficult when switching to guard from tackle. Suddenly the play is right on top of you. You’re working with players on either side. The techniques are different — clearly, there are many changes.

And if an offensive lineman is honest, he’ll admit that it can be difficult when jumping from one spot to another. Even Peat said last season that it was a process, which was shown by fluctuations in the quality of his play during a handful of starts at guard.

The idea that it’s a simple change caused New York Giants tackle Geoff Schwartz to speak out earlier this offseason. He had heard a draft analyst suggest that many of the tackles could kick inside to guard in the NFL.

“Oh no … The just move him from T to G conversations for some of these rookie OTs has started,” Schwartz wrote on Twitter. “Because it’s just that simple huh?”

Peat worked at guard throughout the summer program, and the plan is to get him back there when Armstead returns. For now, he's standing in at tackle — outside of a handful of snaps at guard — and has played well.

He struggled at times last season, especially in one-on-one drills during camp, but that has changed. He spent Sunday standing up Obum Gwacham on a pair of snaps and has had some impressive moments in run blocking. Coach Sean Payton said it's clear he's in shape this season, which has made a difference.

But tackle is Peat's natural position; guard isn't. And some players might need every snap possible to prepare for a position switch. But the Saints feel the second-year player has received a good amount of work on the inside during the summer; they aren't concerned about him losing some snaps there.

"He’s extremely talented. He is doing a good job for us at left tackle, and his versatility, athleticism and size is really something that is a gift for him athletically," Payton said. "It gives him some ability to move. I think the transition because of the amount of snaps he’s had — we don’t expect Terron (Armstead’s) absence to be a month — he’ll be able to handle that.”

If nothing else, working at both positions keeps Peat sharp if he needs to move around at some point this season. He's showing in camp that he can handle tackle. Still to be revealed is whether he will look as good at guard.

If nothing else, he has visibly grown since his rookie campaign. That should build some confidence and alter the questions asked about Peat this summer.


Source: http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orlea...87445b985.html

Crusader 08-01-2016 11:10 AM

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Personaly I feel the switch from either side to be more complex than just sliding in to play guard from the tackle spot or vice versa. Just as the article states, its a big deal having to switch your stance and what foot you are dropping first etc. Then if you switch both side and position...

Good to hear Peat is doing well. This will be big for the Saints!

44Champs 08-02-2016 03:34 AM

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I'm glad to hear this. I'm one of those that haven't been sold on Peat as a first rounder. It's good to finally read some positive things on him.

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hagan714 08-02-2016 05:22 AM

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I agree with Crusader, the switch is not easy unless. That is why a swing OT is so hard to find. I will say it again. maybe Armstead should do the switch. He is more athletically gifted than Peat by a wide margin.

At least entertain the idea

But Peat must play RG at the very least this year just to get use to the footwork change.

Makes one wonder why spend such a high pick on such project at RT.

Well the expectation is by mid season he has improved his shuffle to the right ten fold. By season end he should have spent some snaps at RT and show he is ready to step in and challenge for the RT starters job.

This was my expectations when we drafted him.

Crusader 08-02-2016 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 710450)
I agree with Crusader, the switch is not easy unless. That is why a swing OT is so hard to find. I will say it again. maybe Armstead should do the switch. He is more athletically gifted than Peat by a wide margin.

Which is precisely why Armstead should stay on the left side. Protecting the QBs blind side takes a whole lot of more athletic ability compared to the other side. You will almost always face the opponents best rusher.

K Major 08-02-2016 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 710450)
That is why a swing OT is so hard to find. I will say it again. maybe Armstead should do the switch. He is more athletically gifted than Peat by a wide margin.

I don't think coach Payton has any plans of moving Armstead, especially considering how dominant he has been @ LT.

jeanpierre 08-03-2016 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 710450)
I agree with Crusader, the switch is not easy unless. That is why a swing OT is so hard to find. I will say it again. maybe Armstead should do the switch. He is more athletically gifted than Peat by a wide margin.

At least entertain the idea

But Peat must play RG at the very least this year just to get use to the footwork change.

Makes one wonder why spend such a high pick on such project at RT.

Well the expectation is by mid season he has improved his shuffle to the right ten fold. By season end he should have spent some snaps at RT and show he is ready to step in and challenge for the RT starters job.

This was my expectations when we drafted him.

This is why I thought moving Armstead to Right Tackle could work; plus, Armestead's athleticism and level of play would be so far above whatever competition he'd face that the opportunities for plays on that side could be boundless...

jeanpierre 08-03-2016 10:20 PM

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jeanpierre 08-03-2016 10:21 PM

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jeanpierre 08-03-2016 10:21 PM

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44Champs 08-03-2016 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 710696)

I agree with this. It's like we're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. We're gonna ruin this guy's career.

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The Dude 08-04-2016 01:54 AM

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Bout time.

The Dude 08-04-2016 01:58 AM

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I'm sure they will put him in the best position to help the team. They aren't going to put him anywhere that another player would be better. Coaches know what they are doing. I think they are moving him around so he gets a better picture of the working parts of the oline as a whole.

Crusader 08-04-2016 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 710704)
I agree with this. It's like we're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. We're gonna ruin this guy's career.

Bah! Humbug! And I'll explain why I think that. Playing guard is a lot less demanding from an athletic standpoint, speed, hip flexibility and such isn't nearly as important as for a tackle. Peat however have those skills and they will only benefit him.
The most important thing for any oline player after being big and strong (obviously, duh!) is being able to move in an efficient manner and placing your body in the best position to succeed against the defender. Understanding the concepts of each play, how you take the best angles, to position yourself. That is what he needs to learn, it will not ruin his career in any way but it might take a little while for him to adjust to it.

Crusader 08-04-2016 04:43 AM

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Ross Tucker wrote a pretty good piece on young o-line players in the NFL that I recommend reading.

What's the problem with NFL OL development? | Sports on Earth

jeanpierre 08-04-2016 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 710710)
Bah! Humbug! And I'll explain why I think that. Playing guard is a lot less demanding from an athletic standpoint, speed, hip flexibility and such isn't nearly as important as for a tackle. Peat however have those skills and they will only benefit him.
The most important thing for any oline player after being big and strong (obviously, duh!) is being able to move in an efficient manner and placing your body in the best position to succeed against the defender. Understanding the concepts of each play, how you take the best angles, to position yourself. That is what he needs to learn, it will not ruin his career in any way but it might take a little while for him to adjust to it.

Really? So the whole pulling down the line, getting downfield and maintaining run alleys that's not demanding?

Or swinging underneath, or jumping ahead of a defender to trap block a big strong man, without holding him, is not athletically demanding?

Guards, Centers usually engage defenders near post-snap; whereas Tackles often read defenders and move to seal them out of an area - Peat is used to a more read, react style of play rather than pre-snap read and react upon snap...

Believe Peat's length is also giving him problems at guard where he's more naturally suited as a Tackle; so, I'm not surprised he's really impressed more at Left Tackle...

No one wants to say it, but Peat needs to be at Left Tackle if he's to maximize his potential...

lee909 08-04-2016 06:30 AM

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He may well be a better tackle than guard but as it stands is the line stronger with Him at guard and Strief at RT or with Strief dropped snd one of the unproven guards starting. Thats the big question abd still a worry for me. So much of the offense needs a pocket for Brees so the interior needs to be strong

jeanpierre 08-04-2016 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 710716)
He may well be a better tackle than guard but as it stands is the line stronger with Him at guard and Strief at RT or with Strief dropped snd one of the unproven guards starting. Thats the big question abd still a worry for me. So much of the offense needs a pocket for Brees so the interior needs to be strong

Well, that's on Payton and Loomis for pi**-poor planning...

Terrific guard was on the market in Clint Boling and we instead signed DB Browner who was left off the Patriot's active roster for their championship run in favor of a UDRFA...

And I get drafting the BPA in the draft, but if we don't have what we need on the roster for interior lineman, we should have signed, drafted a guard rather than try the fitting the provervial square peg into a round hole...

It's obvious Peat is a tackle, he's more natural and plays better at tackle; and if maximizing his talent is at tackle, we should consider or try looking at Strief as a guard, maybe...

jeanpierre 08-04-2016 06:48 AM

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This reminds me of a situation when the Saints drafted Jim Dombrowski, who was a terrific left guard, but played him at tackle initially because of veteran Brad Edelman (who was the weak link on a good offensive line), Edelman's age (play) finally allowed Big Jim to shift inside and Kevin Haverdink played LT until Richard Cooper later took over...

lee909 08-04-2016 06:49 AM

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I agree its on those that fill the roster, it was a strange pick to start with imo. I've always had the feeling that the players they targeted went and they couldn't get out the spot and reacted. Not sure if Strief could play at guard or not

Crusader 08-04-2016 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 710715)
Really? So the whole pulling down the line, getting downfield and maintaining run alleys that's not demanding?

Or swinging underneath, or jumping ahead of a defender to trap block a big strong man, without holding him, is not athletically demanding?

Guards, Centers usually engage defenders near post-snap; whereas Tackles often read defenders and move to seal them out of an area - Peat is used to a more read, react style of play rather than pre-snap read and react upon snap...

Believe Peat's length is also giving him problems at guard where he's more naturally suited as a Tackle; so, I'm not surprised he's really impressed more at Left Tackle...

No one wants to say it, but Peat needs to be at Left Tackle if he's to maximize his potential...

Playing guard is athletically demanding but not as demanding as playing tackle.

There is a reason why less athletic guys play on the interior instead of on the edge. As a tackle you have to protect a whole lot more space than what you do as a guard or center. You go up against guys that are very much faster than most DTs. As a OT you have to move backwards almost as fast as the DEs are moving forward. Its athletically demanding in a whole different way than the interior play that is a lot more about anchoring.

I do however agree with your point about G/C and T engaging the defender in different ways. The interior dictates a lot more than what tackles do, but from personal experience I can say that it has very much to do with how you as a tackle plays the position.

Rugby Saint II 08-04-2016 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 710718)
Well, that's on Payton and Loomis for pi**-poor planning...

Terrific guard was on the market in Clint Boling and we instead signed DB Browner who was left off the Patriot's active roster for their championship run in favor of a UDRFA...

And I get drafting the BPA in the draft, but if we don't have what we need on the roster for interior lineman, we should have signed, drafted a guard rather than try the fitting the provervial square peg into a round hole...

It's obvious Peat is a tackle, he's more natural and plays better at tackle; and if maximizing his talent is at tackle, we should consider or try looking at Strief as a guard, maybe...

The front office has bungled the offensive line after the first couple of strong drafts with reaches on injured or under performing players. Armstead was a steal in the third though. Peat was the BPA after the DT we wanted went one pick before our selection to the Browns at 12.

It was unfortunate that he came in out of shape after graduating from a college on the quarter system where he got to camp late. He looks really good this year and worthy of a first round pick from what I hear at training camp. He will be a stud on the O-line for years.......hopefully at RT not guard.

He should be playing RT where he was drafted to play. Strief was supposed to groom him last year and prepare him to take over at RT while Strief played swing tackle. Instead Peat played all over the line because we are so thin and limited athletically at guard.

With Armstead at LT.....Unger at Center.....and Peart at RT we have a great center tackle combo. The problem is Payton has gambled on UDFA's to fill the O-line for so long now that the lack of talent is evident at Guard. Lelito put one over on Payton and never developed into the potential Payton saw. Kelemete(Calamity) isn't getting it done either. Both were pulled for sloppy play last year and we still didn't draft or trade for a starting guard or two who could get the job done.

Edit: Strief is not a guard. He is a serviceable tackle. Leave him where he is.

jeanpierre 08-04-2016 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 710797)
The front office has bungled the offensive line after the first couple of strong drafts with reaches on injured or under performing players. Armstead was a steal in the third though. Peat was the BPA after the DT we wanted went one pick before our selection to the Browns at 12.

It was unfortunate that he came in out of shape after graduating from a college on the quarter system where he got to camp late. He looks really good this year and worthy of a first round pick from what I hear at training camp. He will be a stud on the O-line for years.......hopefully at RT not guard.

He should be playing RT where he was drafted to play. Strief was supposed to groom him last year and prepare him to take over at RT while Strief played swing tackle. Instead Peat played all over the line because we are so thin and limited athletically at guard.

With Armstead at LT.....Unger at Center.....and Peart at RT we have a great center tackle combo. The problem is Payton has gambled on UDFA's to fill the O-line for so long now that the lack of talent is evident at Guard. Lelito put one over on Payton and never developed into the potential Payton saw. Kelemete(Calamity) isn't getting it done either. Both were pulled for sloppy play last year and we still didn't draft or trade for a starting guard or two who could get the job done.

Edit: Strief is not a guard. He is a serviceable tackle. Leave him where he is.

Well, it would appear we now have two excellent Left Tackles (Armstead, Peat) on the roster, one excellent Center (Unger) in the last year of his contract, one aging highly-graded Right Tackle (Strief) and two serviceable guards (Lelito and Kelemete) who'd be great interior backups, one excellent guard/tackle prospect (Cheek) and one good guard prospect (Turner)...

jeanpierre 08-05-2016 06:26 AM

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LOL



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