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dude i agree with your post minus that absolute nonsense about one d coordinator. There never were two of them and we hired someone into the exact same position dennis had last year so it isn't like that position went away. this is a good post just shutup with that already lolol

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It seems for some, the glass will always be half empty. The offensive line is no worse than it was last year, and I have some hope than when Armstead returns it will actually be better. As for Brees, I'm sure he's accustomed to being able to do whatever he wants against our D, and that's beginning to change finally. He will get it figured out and he will surely abuse the defense some days..which will no doubt have the hand wringers back on his side and complaining about the defense. It's training camp guys and gals. We haven't even gotten a preseason game under our belt yet. Settle down and just enjoy the fact that football is back.

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tell ya what i would much rather here our d is being competitive then that the offense is running wild.

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Competition makes everyone better; the defense is winning right now which in turn makes the offense work harder to achieve perfection. When the offense starts winning, the defense in turn will work harder... win/win in my opinion :bng:

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Remember the training camp from '09 when defense ***** slapped the offense? This has a similar feel to it.

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We (or at least I do) think that every year in TC. There's no answer to your question yet.

The offense has made their fair share of plays, but the defense is doing their thing as well. It's encouraging to see the defense take advantage of offensive mistakes, which we didn't see very much of the past two seasons (credit DA and his staff).

The Patriots joint practices and 1st preseason game next week will be quite telling.

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There is no nonsense; my name is not dude; and unless you have no clue Rob Ryan and Dennis Allen were essentially co-defensive coordinators last season as Allen was hired as Senior Defensive Assistant and part of his duties were to help Ryan "assist and better organize the defense" per Sean Payton; there're numerous article from last year; we discussed this here last season ad nauseum...

(excerpt from Dennis Allen on his job change, what he brings to New Orleans Saints' defense | NOLA.com )

Do you think there was ever any confusion within the players of who was in charge of the defense when you and Rob were together?

"You'd have to ask the players that. I don't have the answer to that question. I don't think that was the case. I think I tried to make it as clear as possible that Rob was in charge, and Rob was in charge."

Allen gave the PC answer, but the reporters knew it and eventually got a few players on local news stated that there was less confusion now that one defensive coordinator (Allen) was in charge...

Payton should have just fired Ryan before the season and begun the inevitable; instead, the Saints FO went through the farce and motions that Ryan was going to be given a chance to turn it around...

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And so Coach spoke...

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You are so wrong it is absurd.
THEY HIRED SOMEONE INTO THE SAME EXACT POSITION DENNIS HAD LAST YEAR.
By that logic we again have two D coord's

Less confusion when Allen is in charge is not the same as your initial statement. It implies that Rob had the D confused. It stated he would change the entire dfense from mini-camp to training camp. How do you equate (all on your own btw) that Dennis and Rob being here caused the confusiomn, because we had just as many issues with confusion before Dennis ever arrived.

The players said that the calls for defense are shorter, that it is more streamlined so they do not have issues getting lined up. You took a situation, placed your spin on it, ignored the same confusion that existed in 14 and created a story that is completely false

I love how you also take and place this in underneath your link to the article as if it came from the article when in fact this came from you:

Allen gave the PC answer, but the reporters knew it and eventually got a few players on local news stated that there was less confusion now that one defensive coordinator (Allen) was in charge...

Payton should have just fired Ryan before the season and begun the inevitable; instead, the Saints FO went through the farce and motions that Ryan was going to be given a chance to turn it around..


That is your ideas and language, not from the article.

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AND FOR GOOD MEASURE (SINCE YOU CONVENIENTLY CHOSE TO IGNORE IT) WE HIRED SOMEONE INTO THE POSITION DENNIS HELD LAST YEAR.

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Mitch I'd be shcoked if this team is not a lot better than the last two seasons

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NFL offenses have changed quite a bit in the past couple years. WhAt was true years ago isn't true anymore. Especially under the new CBA.

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I don't remember that at all. I remember a lot of uncertainty with Greg Williams coming in. Sharper was a question mark and the O pretty much tore them up all camp. Players were learning a new scheme .

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That should put you at ease; because players are learning a new scheme again this year(to a lesser extent) and they're already ahead of the curve!

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That year the defense was physically aggressive and they adopted the Gregg Williams philosophy of intimidation and took it to hard to the offense. The defense manhandled the offense during the '09 training camp so badly that they went to Payton and complained. Payton told them that they needed to man up and they did! They came back fighting and from that they developed the swagger that took them to the Superbowl.

Yes, they were brawling at the start of camp that year. :bng:

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Your comment literally says nothing. It is empty. You detail nothing, discuss nothing, and you simply make a generalized statement without any substance.

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I don't know about the complaining to SP but they were super aggressive and there was a real challenge between the O and D. The D was taking it to them early in camp.

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I remember reports of Brees and Vilma squaring up to each other in practice, tensions were that high.
However on gameday, they were each others biggest supporter.

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LMAO, I love this because you take his own negative comment (simply meant to annoy) and turn it around on him. Great!!!

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Ditto...

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If you can comprehend the English language anywhere above a fifth grade level you should understand the statement. The fact your feeble mind cannot understand my statement is no fault of mine. But to spell it out here goes.

The poster said he read some years ago that the defense should be beating the offense at this point. while this may have been true years ago, training camp is not the same today. "Full contact" does not mean the same as full contact before the new CBA. The defenses aren't allowed to just go to town on the offense like it used to. The offense has the edge now. That doesn't mean that defenses don't win battles or even all of them. It's just no where near as telling as it used to be. The fact the defense is winning in spite of this is a good thing. Unless the offense has taken a step back

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This thread has devolved quickly...

Would be nice to stay on topic.

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Nah. Guys get into pissing matches sometimes. It happens. Especially right now, it's been a long off season.

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Also a new scheme means no game tape from last year. I think that helped some in GW and RR first year.

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After your attempts at insulting me you finally made a statement that was specific. Not correct, but specific.
None of this is relevant to why the defense has the edge. The defense should have the edge because the offense is based off of timing and that takes time to develop- not because of hitting.

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GW defense was ranked lowest or highest (meaning worst) his first season.

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Quit fighting in my thread!

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Hey no yelling!!!! You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!!!

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Their playing offense and defense!!! One has to win.

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The defense shining doesn't surprise me. We have many new faces along the O-line with several players out, many at new positions. They aren't a cohesive unit yet.

I also find it encouraging. After last year, the defense could certainly use a little confidence.

Sunshine fellas, beautiful sunshine.

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This is total suckage...