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Not only did we go 3-1 we looked really good doing it.

Pre-season matters, payton knows that better than anyone. He is trying to create that winning culture and you don't do that by accepting defeat regardless of the game.

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Exactly, even the backups like Chris Reis forced multiple fumbles by effort alone.

I wouldn't panic just yet, the 2nd and 3rd stringers were responsible for pretty much 3 TD's for the patriots, take that away and the defense allowed 11 points.

Brandon Coleman needs to go, I'm sick of seeing his half hearted attempts at catching passes.

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It was sloppy.....just what I expected.

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I don't think anyone is panicking... bit hasn't been much to get excited about is the point.

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Payton has said this himself. He says to get back to the super bowl we need to start fast and get ahead early in the season. That starts with preseason he said. He is playing to win.

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I usually despise nick names given by fans . PT Cruiser etc but Rankenstein really rocks

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Name a kicker you can draft that is a lock. Stake your job on the pick.

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True, but if you wanna know who will be successful, pick the guy we cut. :p

We suck at picking kickers.

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Agreed. Payton has a thing about FB, TE and PK! It's the "Draft a stud kicker" that gets me. If it's that easy, draft a franchise QB, LB and DE while you're at it.

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"When I'm good, I'm very good but when I'm bad, I'm better" - May West

:)

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Except neither side is showing much of the playbook...

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Preseason games are for evaluation. Payton can say that he's playing to win. But when his starting HOF caliber QB has his baseball cap on after 3 plays, how exactly can you say that you're playing to win?

It's more important to decide if Grayson is worth keeping. Considering that both he and Luke gave up 15 points directly, then it would seem to me that evaluating QB talent is more important than winning.

Preseason games takes the concept of "garbage time" to a whole new level, where literally guys who will be sitting in the stands or watching at home just like us are currently playing. Winning the game cannot be the most important thing.

The only drives that I watch with a critical eye in preseason are the 1s/2s vs 1s/2s matchups. Typically that eliminates the 2nd half of all games and discounts the entire 4th preseason game. Those periods are strictly for evaluation of talent that the organization is unsure they are going to keep on the squad for the regular season.

Evaluate the 1st quarters of games 1 and 2 and the first half of game 3. Those 4 quarters more than anything else will point to the start of the regular season.

In the first quarter of the previous game, the only two really bad plays were the two turnovers. So a ding to Ingram and a ding to Coleman, who frankly has clearly already lost his job to the rookie. Also a ding and a star to Murphy on the same play of muffing the ball, then recovering and producing a really good return.

The defense looked pretty good in the 1st quarter and into the first half with the two exceptions of the long run and the long screen.

So for the next game watch the first quarter, or whatever drives are 1/1 and 1-2/1-2 matchups, then mentally turn the game off. Only use those drives for evaluation as honestly, come September 11th, those players will be playing the majority off the snaps.

This is why I always look forward to the 3rd preseason game. That's the dress rehearsal. What you see in the 1st half or so in that game is what you'll see the first game of the season. And it's good that we're playing Pittsburgh for that game. It'll give a great evaluation against a playoff quality team.

SFIAH

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After watching the game again, I'm back in the kool aid.

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Well obviously he doesn't want to show his hand scheme wise or risk injury to key players. I think his point is to get his players to buy into a winning attitude even in preseason. He wants them to experience winning from the get go and he is going to push his players and hold them accountable for a loss, as a team, not individual players.

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Well, considering that the offense gave up two TDs - the defense didn't give up a lot of points. And that one redzone INT McCown threw resulted in a TD for the Pats, so the O didn't do any favors for the D. This in itself isn't anything new, because even though the D was a mess last year - the O kept putting them in difficult situations time and time again.

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way too many new faces playing new position to complain just yet. with that in mind I give it a solid C over all

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...speaking of these two. Already costing more than they're worth

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OL stunk

DT need to start stuffing the run.

safety 30 yards deep? preseason? hoping?

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Coleman needs to go!!

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Starting OL better open some holes in 1st half next week.

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-The Linebackers are good.
-The young CB's are ballin'.
-Spiller looks healthy.
-Special teams coverage was good.
-Harper looks good.
-Lewis and Manhertz have potential.
-Kuhn is the FB.

-The OLine is not good.
-Peat is not good at either G or T.
-The reserves are not good.
-Allen is a holding machine.
-Murphy just can't catch or hold onto the ball.
-Coleman is too inconsistent.
-Grayson has no touch. Not the QB of the future.
-The commentator who said Payton is a master of the clock and timeouts.

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How many drops did Coleman have against the Texans???

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at least two

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Not sure but I've seen enough. Cancel the experiment, he can't consistently catch at this level. I hope coach gives another guy a shot in practice and subsequent pre season games.

Nick Toon 2.0

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I saw a team that was flat. Good efforts and poor performances.I've seen some projections from media that I thought were somewhat underrated. I think that they are on the mark after watching this game. We can't run block and still can't rush the passer. These are fundamental aspects of the game. I think our talent level is improved. I always take preseason games with a grain of salt. Good bad and ugly. The third pre season game is always the truest example of a teams state of readiness. Pittsburgh is a good measuring stick. The turnovers are a huge concern.It was obvious that Thomas was held on Brees int.Murphy cost himself a spot with his fumbles. Given what I've seen so far I think that talk of playoffs is nonsense. Improvements of the other teams in our division is going to make our chances slim to none.

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Do we still "Trust In Mickey?"

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From what I have heard the Panties look even better than last year. I think the Bucs are going to break through this year and maybe win the division. Atlanta I'm not worried about because we usually beat them no matter what. We just have their number. It starts in winning the division and that will be tough with Carolinas and Tampas defensive lines I'm afraid. They need to bite the bullet and get a veteran lineman or Brees won't last until the bye.

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I will wager you what ever you wish that Brees will last until the bye withouit adding a veteran lineman (which I assume would have to be starting to have any impact, right).

:rolleyes:

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I'd like to see Jordan Williams be given game opportunities; he had a tough grab in the second half for seventeen yards...

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Tommylee Lewis maybe? Our O-line better get it together or it's a mute point who the WR is.

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Our o-line probably won't get a chance in preseason to get it together. They get more real work in practice than in these games.

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I don't see this. They do practice to get it together (I agree with that)and with that practice they go out against other teams to show how they have come together as a unit. Their not doing so well in games or practice so far. From watching and reading this unit is one of the weakest so far under Payton. Got to disagree about the real work, that's game time when things really count.