Pay Brees!

darstep · 08-16-2016, 12:48 AM

Pick 6s and red zone picks are one of the leading causes or high blood pressure, strokes and heart attacks.
Every QB throws pick 6s and has red zone/end zone interceptions.
Backup QBs are no different. Fumbles happen too.
If Brees went down I think Luke would be fine - Not Brees, but he would be fine.
I think the system would lend to his success.
(I'm going to say this and then duck)
I think much of Brees success has to do with Sean Payton's system.
Had he ended up some place else in 2006, we may not even be hearing his name anymore.
Not that he's not elite, but a QB is nothing without protection and catchers.
Brees has been blessed with both.
I think Payton would position McKown to do what he does best.
McKown is a good manager.
He would do fine.

dizzle88 · 08-16-2016, 02:16 AM

Originally Posted by darstep

Pick 6s and red zone picks are one of the leading causes or high blood pressure, strokes and heart attacks.
Every QB throws pick 6s and has red zone/end zone interceptions.
Backup QBs are no different. Fumbles happen too.
If Brees went down I think Luke would be fine - Not Brees, but he would be fine.
I think the system would lend to his success.
(I'm going to say this and then duck)
I think much of Brees success has to do with Sean Payton's system.
Had he ended up some place else in 2006, we may not even be hearing his name anymore.
Not that he's not elite, but a QB is nothing without protection and catchers.
Brees has been blessed with both.
I think Payton would position McKown to do what he does best.
McKown is a good manager.
He would do fine.

In ways I both agree and disagree

Whilst I agree that the system is designed to Brees' attributes and therefore lends to his success, Brees pocket awareness are mostly to thank for a lot of the TD's he throws.

Not only does he make the O line look better, but besides Cooks and Meacham, he's never had a first round pick at WR.

Now obviously what round someone is picked isn't always important, but a great player makes the others around him better and that's exactly what Brees does - some of it because of scheme, a lot of it from his insane work ethic and tape study.

McCown played very admirably when Brees was out vs Panthers and Josh Norman made a great play at the end, however, with the game on the line you don't throw a jump ball to Brandin Cooks for the win, as he will lose that matchup, just like we lost the game.

spkb25 · 08-16-2016, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by darstep

If Brees went down I think Luke would be fine - Not Brees, but he would be fine.

I think Payton would position McKown to do what he does best.
McKown is a good manager.
He would do fine.

Yeah...did you watch the preseason game? McCown looked worse than GG. I think you're right about SP putting him in position to be successful, but that only last a game or two. Josh would not carry us for a season, not in a million years.

The Dude · 08-16-2016, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Yeah...did you watch the preseason game? McCown looked worse than GG. I think you're right about SP putting him in position to be successful, but that only last a game or two. Josh would not carry us for a season, not in a million years.

I doubt Grayson would either. And McGowin was behind a 3rd string line

spkb25 · 08-16-2016, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I doubt Grayson would either.

I am not sure why you said this, arre you thinking somewhere that I am advocating for GG to start and for us to not pay Brees?

The Dude · 08-16-2016, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I am not sure why you said this, arre you thinking somewhere that I am advocating for GG to start and for us to not pay Brees?

No. Nowhere did I even insinuate that. Sometimes I think you just read what you want to read. I didn't even mention Brees name.

Usually when people quote you and make a post it is as a response to whatever you said that was quoted. Not necessarily a direct response to a thread title. It's called having a conversation.

You mentioned GG and Luke McGowin, not me. I was responding to your statement about them, not Brees.

44Champs · 08-16-2016, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Yeah...did you watch the preseason game? McCown looked worse than GG. I think you're right about SP putting him in position to be successful, but that only last a game or two. Josh would not carry us for a season, not in a million years.

"Luke" - but I agree w everything else you said

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spkb25 · 08-16-2016, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

"Luke" - but I agree w everything else you said

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LMMFAO, exactly!!! Sometimes I think they're really the same person

woody · 08-16-2016, 01:26 AM

People always say what a great pair Brees and Payton are. But, the reason they work so well together is because Bree's has excellent decision making abilities, pocket mobility, and an extremely accurate arm. Not that it's the ultimate deciding factor, but how many probowl receivers has Brees had? Graham? I guess I'm just trying to say Payton has a great system, but it takes a great QB to run it. My 2 cents.

vpheughan · 08-16-2016, 10:24 AM

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08-16-2016, 12:48 AM	#1
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: Pay Brees! Pick 6s and red zone picks are one of the leading causes or high blood pressure, strokes and heart attacks. Every QB throws pick 6s and has red zone/end zone interceptions. Backup QBs are no different. Fumbles happen too. If Brees went down I think Luke would be fine - Not Brees, but he would be fine. I think the system would lend to his success. (I'm going to say this and then duck) I think much of Brees success has to do with Sean Payton's system. Had he ended up some place else in 2006, we may not even be hearing his name anymore. Not that he's not elite, but a QB is nothing without protection and catchers. Brees has been blessed with both. I think Payton would position McKown to do what he does best. McKown is a good manager. He would do fine.
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08-16-2016, 02:16 AM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by darstep Pick 6s and red zone picks are one of the leading causes or high blood pressure, strokes and heart attacks. Every QB throws pick 6s and has red zone/end zone interceptions. Backup QBs are no different. Fumbles happen too. If Brees went down I think Luke would be fine - Not Brees, but he would be fine. I think the system would lend to his success. (I'm going to say this and then duck) I think much of Brees success has to do with Sean Payton's system. Had he ended up some place else in 2006, we may not even be hearing his name anymore. Not that he's not elite, but a QB is nothing without protection and catchers. Brees has been blessed with both. I think Payton would position McKown to do what he does best. McKown is a good manager. He would do fine. In ways I both agree and disagree Whilst I agree that the system is designed to Brees' attributes and therefore lends to his success, Brees pocket awareness are mostly to thank for a lot of the TD's he throws. Not only does he make the O line look better, but besides Cooks and Meacham, he's never had a first round pick at WR. Now obviously what round someone is picked isn't always important, but a great player makes the others around him better and that's exactly what Brees does - some of it because of scheme, a lot of it from his insane work ethic and tape study. McCown played very admirably when Brees was out vs Panthers and Josh Norman made a great play at the end, however, with the game on the line you don't throw a jump ball to Brandin Cooks for the win, as he will lose that matchup, just like we lost the game.
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by darstep If Brees went down I think Luke would be fine - Not Brees, but he would be fine. I think Payton would position McKown to do what he does best. McKown is a good manager. He would do fine. Yeah...did you watch the preseason game? McCown looked worse than GG. I think you're right about SP putting him in position to be successful, but that only last a game or two. Josh would not carry us for a season, not in a million years. 44Champs likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,063	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by spkb25 Yeah...did you watch the preseason game? McCown looked worse than GG. I think you're right about SP putting him in position to be successful, but that only last a game or two. Josh would not carry us for a season, not in a million years. I doubt Grayson would either. And McGowin was behind a 3rd string line
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by The Dude I doubt Grayson would either. I am not sure why you said this, arre you thinking somewhere that I am advocating for GG to start and for us to not pay Brees?

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,063	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by spkb25 I am not sure why you said this, arre you thinking somewhere that I am advocating for GG to start and for us to not pay Brees? No. Nowhere did I even insinuate that. Sometimes I think you just read what you want to read. I didn't even mention Brees name. Usually when people quote you and make a post it is as a response to whatever you said that was quoted. Not necessarily a direct response to a thread title. It's called having a conversation. You mentioned GG and Luke McGowin, not me. I was responding to your statement about them, not Brees.
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44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by spkb25 Yeah...did you watch the preseason game? McCown looked worse than GG. I think you're right about SP putting him in position to be successful, but that only last a game or two. Josh would not carry us for a season, not in a million years. "Luke" - but I agree w everything else you said Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Pay Brees! Originally Posted by 44Champs "Luke" - but I agree w everything else you said Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk LMMFAO, exactly!!! Sometimes I think they're really the same person

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