Ron Dayne
 

The more I think about the possibility of him coming here the larger the grin. He can't be banged up already, he is still relatively young and if this Oline turns out to be the Power Grunts we've been hoping for then Duece and Dayne become the Double DDs. Oh I forgot Dunn and Duckett. Has Dayne arrived yet?

Ron Dayne
 

I am ok with dayne coming but lets not build so much hype about this... he really hasn\'t done much, name one season where he got close to a thousand yards? Besides countering a smaller back RB we have, or using him like a bowling ball fullback, don\'t see him bringing much else to the table.

Ron Dayne
 

Exactly, you nailed it, the bowling ball. I know we have Liesle but looks like he\'s not working out.

Ron Dayne
 

I meant Mike Karney not Leisle.

Ron Dayne
 

What\'s wrong with Karney? When he was on the field, he was a beast. And he can catch the ball.

Dayne isn\'t trained as a FB. Don\'t get me wrong, I think he\'s a fine addition as a back up RB, but I don\'t see that he has much value as a lead blocker. One of the knocks on Dayne is he doesn\'t use his physical size and agility particularly well on the field - that doesn\'t sound like a guy suite for FB.

Ron Dayne
 

Exactly. He\'s built like ironhead but plays like featherhead. He gets taken down quite easily when hit low. He doesn\'t resemble a power-back in any aspect of his game except for his physique. He plays like he thinks he has scat-back moves and outside speed, but doesn\'t. Defenders easily collapse on him.
I did hear he looked much improved in pre-season last year but I think there are better options for a #3 RB.
I hear Antowain Smith is in for a visit. I have always liked this guy both on and off the field. If he has any gas left in his tank he\'d be a very good #3. At least as good or better than Ki-Jana Carter.

Ron Dayne
 

Exactly, \"When he was on the field.\" If he was a beast then he should\'ve stayed on the field. I don\'t get it, I\'m sure you\'re not the only fan that thinks Karney is a beast. I don\'t think the coaches feel that way and I don\'t know why.

I can see where he (Dayne) might consider himself a scat-back \"ahnoha.\" I\'m hoping a change of scenery and and a good Oline could be what the doctor ordered.

Ron Dayne
 

Hey, will someone tell me how to operate this quote thing? Thanks

Ron Dayne
 

Actually I thnk he had one good year where he gained 800/900 yards but he didn\'t get the majority of the carries either -- other than that he has been a bust - I think if we got him he and sandwich sully would have eating contests

Ron Dayne
 

start your quote with \"quote\" where the \"\" marks are [ ] instead and end it with \"/quote\" again where the \"\" marks are [ ].

Karney was on the field all year when McCarthy allowed it. Remember, McCarthy wanted the to TE set rather than a FB when they let T. Smith go. Karney proved he was much better than an ordinary rookie and was better than Smith at catching balls out of the backfield.

He did so good I changed my avatar to honor his play. I\'m surprised anyone would think he wasn\'t one of the better offense players last year.

[Edited on 8/3/2005 by ScottyRo]

Ron Dayne
 

I\'m with Scotty on this one.

Karney didn\'t see the field anywhere near as often as he should, thanks to McCarthy\'s ridiculous 2TE set. We tried to disguise our run more this year, and it failed.

The decision to go to this different (2TE, more options) set was made before T-Rex left (so it isn\'t because Karney was a problem that he didn\'t see the field, since Karney hadn\'t even been drafted at that time) - the decision was supposed to take advantage of our quality WRs and the Conwell/Boo tendem that our coaches thought would free up Boo to make plays.

Ron Dayne
 

Well, I think Boo and Conwell has played their last game as Saints. We have given them every opportunity possible. We need to turn the corner on those two. I hope we can get a Crumpler kind of guy.
Well, McCarthy is no longer and we are still looking for a FB. wgat gives?

Ron Dayne
 

I don\'t think we\'re looking for a FB. All the guys we\'ve brought in are HBs - Dayne, A-Train, and Smith are all Tail Backs, though I suppose A-Train played in an Ace system (but that doesn\'t make him a Full Back).

Ron Dayne
 

saintuary,put in what you want as the quote then highlite it and then hit the quote button.

Ron Dayne
 

2000 770 in 16 games

thats the most yards he got in a seaon, not close to 1,000. Never said anything was wrong with Karney but backing him up and RB spot... sure. Its easy to go from RB to FB as well, one just blocks more often. Put a helmet in someones chest come on... hey its just options.

Ron Dayne
 

ron dayne isnt gonna want to play fullback. no first round running back is goin to settle for fullback, not to mention he will probably suck at it b/c theres a mentality to go with that position, and karney has the toughness to play it. mike karney is a heck of a fullback and with him in the game the running game was much more efficient. the saints only carry 1 fullback and u can bet it will be karney. i dont want dayne here anyway. he hasnt done much and i didnt think he was gona be good comin outa wisconsin. the saints must be sweet on college all time rushing leaders. why dont we sign troy davis to another contract. or bring back ricky. if we get dayne, which will be too expensive in my opinion, be prepared for another ex college great gone bad for the saints.

Ron Dayne
 

A RB who is not particularly physical isn\'t your best bet at FB.

Ron Dayne
 

I was gonna post something along these lines when I first opened this thread...probably like Dayne and Sully might find a few good gumbo houses between the two, but Dayne fits the mold for the kind of people the Saints like to go after. I would hope they wouldn\'t, but, ya never know.

Ron Dayne
 

bro i wouldnt mind dayne as a number three but i wouldnt put him in at fb in front of karney. the guy played well for us last year from what i saw. i like the kid and he can catch out of the backfield. but i think dayne would be a nice fit to put in for a couple of plays here and there. but not for to much money

Ron Dayne
 

Agreed.

Ron Dayne
 

karney is only a rookie, I think, too

Ron Dayne
 

smith from the titans would be a real nice fit also. im just not sure he wants to be a number 3. but i think he can still produce

Ron Dayne
 

baronm he is and thats what is nice. i think we have a real good fb for some years if we hang on to the guy

Ron Dayne
 

this tread is frustrating... only way it could get worse is if we start talking about trading AB again...

Ron Dayne
 

\"Dayne isn\'t trained as a FB. Don\'t get me wrong, I think he\'s a fine addition as a back up RB, but I don\'t see that he has much value as a lead blocker. One of the knocks on Dayne is he doesn\'t use his physical size and agility particularly well on the field - that doesn\'t sound like a guy suite for FB.\"

I agree with that. Dayne can not block despite his size and perceived strength. I beleive the Giants have already tried to convert him over and gave up on that a long time ago. He was in Coughlin\'s doghouse because of his lack of ability to block and was even accused of sheering away from contact in the blocking facet.

Ron Dayne
 

This thread really isn\'t about Dayne getting some reps at FB... this freakin thread is really about who likes him coming to NO or not. I say Don\'t believe the hype around him coming he isn\'t all that as a RB. I personally don\'t see him doing anything to contribute to this team. A big RB with no stats worth mentioning. Its a no brainer to say he won\'t play any FB position.

Ron Dayne
 

I have to agree with Euphoria on this one! Couldn\'t we just draft R Moats in the 3rd or 4th round and we still have Stecker! Just.....throwin it out there!

Ron Dayne
 

I am so for drafting a rb in the 3-4 round even.

Ron Dayne
 

I agree with drafting a RB around that area

Ron Dayne
 

With the depth at RB, the Saints can draft an rb in the 4th round and he will provide us with quality depth. I have faith in what Stecker can do because he show\'d us that he can do the job last year.

Ron Dayne
 

[quote:99ce6d2e33]saintuary,put in what you want as the quote then highlite it and then hit the quote button

Dude, thanks, I\'m making it more difficult than it is,. hope it works this time.

Ron Dayne
 

AS is more of a 3rd down back vice an every down back. Depending on what d he is going up against, it\'ll be good to have a different style back to complement him.

Ron Dayne
 

AS on 3rd downs can only be used in certain situations, short yardage is not one of the options. Remember, AS is a quick, lightweight, slashing type of runner. So if he does get the ball it should be on the first or second down. Then again, you know what? I can see your POV. So idontknow. But I guess you or I could run the ball to daylight if a hole was there. That\'s the problem. I get so sick of seeing Duece piled up at the line of scrimmage.

Ron Dayne
 

All the talk about Ron Dayne as a FB strikes me as a little funny. Dayne may be built like a FB, but as a few folks have already pointed out, he doesn\'t run like one.

Besides, why pay a first-round HB\'s salary to Dayne just to convert him to FB? Fullback is one of the cheaper positions in the NFL to fill. I think Karney is pretty good - and he\'s become something of a fan favorite - so I\'d like to keep him. But even if we wanted to sign another FB, we could get one far cheaper than Ron Dayne.

But he did look good in the 2004 preseason, and I think he even had a 100+ yard performance early in the regular season. Then again, so did Stecker. If Dayne impresses in interviews and will come cheap, I see no reason to turn him down. He\'s got some upside, but I don\'t expect big things from him.