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burningmetal 08-21-2016 01:46 PM

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I think a big reason Peat is shuffling around, isn't simply because they need help at different positions, but because they are trying to find some place where he isn't a complete liability. I thought he was incredibly underwhelming before they ever drafted him, and I sat here and watched the obligatory "don't judge him until he plays a down" comments last year.

But the fact is he is proving his doubters right, and until he turns it around, I don't know why anyone wants to make excuses for him. Shuffling around is not the reason for his struggles. His struggles are the reason for the shuffling. If you can play LT, where you are going against the other team's best pass rusher, then there's no excuse to not be able to handle the other side. I think he is a horrible fit for the interior, and I don't know why they would try him there for any reason other than to just throw something against the wall and hope it sticks.

spkb25 08-21-2016 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 713468)
I think a big reason Peat is shuffling around, isn't simply because they need help at different positions, but because they are trying to find some place where he isn't a complete liability. I thought he was incredibly underwhelming before they ever drafted him, and I sat here and watched the obligatory "don't judge him until he plays a down" comments last year.

But the fact is he is proving his doubters right, and until he turns it around, I don't know why anyone wants to make excuses for him. Shuffling around is not the reason for his struggles. His struggles are the reason for the shuffling. If you can play LT, where you are going against the other team's best pass rusher, then there's no excuse to not be able to handle the other side. I think he is a horrible fit for the interior, and I don't know why they would try him there for any reason other than to just throw something against the wall and hope it sticks.

That's possible, as far as trying to find the right spot for him...I just can't imagine it is helpful

dizzle88 08-21-2016 02:59 PM

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Being from the UK I'm not too sure, but isn't Stanford supposed to be a school for smart people?

So if Peat came from Stanford, how can he not grasp simple blocking assignments, no matter if he switches between positions in training camp.

rezburna 08-21-2016 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 713447)
I think Lelito would win it; just because he's started for us before. I'd like to see Turner win it though; I think he has more potential

Agreed.

Danno 08-21-2016 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 View Post
Guy's it PRESEASON!

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Speaking of Pre-...


Wow, just wow.

Crusader 08-21-2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 713479)
Being from the UK I'm not too sure, but isn't Stanford supposed to be a school for smart people?

So if Peat came from Stanford, how can he not grasp simple blocking assignments, no matter if he switches between positions in training camp.

I don't think its so much about grasping the scheme or assignments as it is not getting enough time on one spot to get comfortable at that position. On an NFL level you need to be in a position where you feel good and can just do what you are supposed to without thinking about it. Just switching stance is a MAJOR thing.

Danno 08-21-2016 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 713482)
I don't think its so much about grasping the scheme or assignments as it is not getting enough time on one spot to get comfortable at that position. On an NFL level you need to be in a position where you feel good and can just do what you are supposed to without thinking about it. Just switching stance is a MAJOR thing.

True, and understanding is a lot different than reacting.

Thousands of former athletes know the plays inside and out. Very few can process in the micro-seconds it takes to succeed in the NFL.

Airline Pilots know what to do in an emergency in mere seconds. Fighter pilots know what to do in micro-seconds.

Thousands of athletes are "physically" capable of playing CB (speed, explosion, hips, length, attitude, etc). Very few can avoid the 1/4 second delay in reaction that it takes to prevent a TD and force a PBU.

Hopefully Peat just needs some more time to sync his brain to his reactions and footwork. So far it looks like that may not happen.

RailBoss 08-21-2016 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 713481)
Speaking of Pre-...


Wow, just wow.

Is Michael C. Hebert Saints photographer in any way related to Bobby?

The Dude 08-21-2016 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 713387)
Y'all do realize Peat has had to play three, THREE, positions since training camp started less than a month ago?!?

Was he bad? Hell yeah, he was that bad...

But Armstead was out and he was at LT, then he moved to RG, then he moved to RT to spell Strief, then he moved to RG, then back to LT...

How many of you mail room clerks could handle being moved from the 3rd floor, then the 15th floor, then the 9th floor with no mistakes within a two week period?

Let him stay at one position for two weeks, then judge...

The guy came in great shape this season and was playing well at LT to all the shuffling started...

I think if he was any good at any position they would leave him there. I think they are moving him around so much in hopes that a light bulb will go of somewhere at one of them and he will settle in. So far that hasnt happened and he has sucked at all of them.

The Dude 08-21-2016 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 713417)
If it is Dallas, Tony Romo won't last till Game 2, then we'll have the leverage with McCown...

Grayson has really impressed with his improvement and is ready to spot start at the least...

It would not surprise me at all to see an Ingram trade at some point. He has value, the Saints can blame the lack of production on his part this preseason on the offensive line. I think he is about all we have and the other backs didnt seem to do much worse and maybe even better.

The Dude 08-21-2016 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 713458)
Guy's it PRESEASON!

So what? despite what some people choose to believe preseason matters. If you have a good preseason that does not mean you are going to have a good season, but you can bet if you are ****ty in preseason you are probably going to be ****ty in the regular season. People kept saying "its just preseason" for the past two years.

ChrisXVI 08-21-2016 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 713417)
If it is Dallas, Tony Romo won't last till Game 2, then we'll have the leverage with McCown...

Grayson has really impressed with his improvement and is ready to spot start at the least...

Unfortunately Dak Prescott is looking way better than Luke McCown. Dallas has to be pretty darn pleased with their backup QB situation.

foreverfan 08-21-2016 06:09 PM

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When your Peater doesn't work properly, problem solved for 4 hours.

Take one hour before game time. If you don't stop playing after 4 hours, call a doctor.

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WillMacKenzie 08-21-2016 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 713506)
When your Peater doesn't work good, problem cured for 4 hours.

Take one hour before game time. If you don't stop playing after 4 hours, call a doctor.

LOL 4 hours?? Can't even get off the line, false starts always stalling the drive.

AsylumGuido 08-22-2016 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 713493)
So what? despite what some people choose to believe preseason matters. If you have a good preseason that does not mean you are going to have a good season, but you can bet if you are ****ty in preseason you are probably going to be ****ty in the regular season. People kept saying "its just preseason" for the past two years.

In 2006 the Saints went 1-3 in the preseason and looked ****ty doing it and made it to the conference championship game.

darstep 08-22-2016 12:30 AM

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Could have won that one if Duece had more than 6 carries...
Sorry, that one still hurts.

vpheughan 08-22-2016 12:09 PM

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There you go again with FACTS!!!!!

Go back and see how many times the "Greatest Ever" and his Colts didn't win a preseason game

CheramieIII 08-22-2016 01:19 PM

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I say we will be OK by the time the season starts. It's a work in progress right now and the defense is a heck of a lot better already.

spkb25 08-22-2016 06:10 PM

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Welp per SP:

Saints OL Andrus Peat should be entrenched at RG from here on out, according to Sean Payton. Peat has been bouncing from LT to RG throughout the summer, which isn't ideal, especially since the stances are opposite, Payton said. ... That's a smart and necessary move for the Saints since Peat needs to continue developing at guard, where he's projected to start.

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Danno 08-22-2016 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 713651)
Welp per SP:

Saints OL Andrus Peat should be entrenched at RG from here on out, according to Sean Payton. Peat has been bouncing from LT to RG throughout the summer, which isn't ideal, especially since the stances are opposite, Payton said. ... That's a smart and necessary move for the Saints since Peat needs to continue developing at guard, where he's projected to start.

New Orleans Saints Football - Saints News, Scores, Stats, Rumors & More - ESPN

Good, keep at 1 position until he masters it. I still say if we didn't have a guy named Armstead on the team Peat may have developed into a decent LT if he stayed there and developed there.

He's not a RT, and he's not a RG. Another square peg/round hole dilemma.

foreverfan 08-25-2016 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 713543)
LOL 4 hours?? Can't even get off the line, false starts always stalling the drive.

That's wh he needs it.

vpheughan 08-25-2016 10:27 AM

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Since it's over it's time trade Brees to Denver for Paxton Lynch. QB of the future is taken care of. Cut or trade everyone else and replace with other teams cuts like in "Major League", rebuild the offense around Lynch next year.

Euphoria 08-25-2016 10:38 AM

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YES looks like its over we are tied for second to last in PA. A vast improvement. LMAO.

st thomas 08-25-2016 10:46 AM

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i wanted to get more 0- lineman in this years draft, drew was getting hammered last season but mostly everyone wanted defense, which i knew of our turrable defense but still hardheaded like i am i wanted to protect our hof qb. drew was never a running qb and o-line should have been on front burner, fairley , i knew would restart his career with us, so saved a draft pick there.

K Major 08-25-2016 12:05 PM

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I wish the Saints FO would have addressed the GUARD position 2 years ago.

halloween 65 08-25-2016 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 713995)
I wish the Saints FO would have addressed the GUARD position 2 years ago.

Me too!!

Seer1 08-25-2016 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 713995)
I wish the Saints FO would have addressed the GUARD position 2 years ago.

Yeah! Whoever it would've been's knee would be just about healed up by now!

4everSaint 08-27-2016 06:14 PM

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As of today:
Total points given up: 77 (32)
Points per game: 25.7 (32)
Rushing yrds per game: 95.0 (13)
Total passing yards: 769 (31)
Passing yards per game: 265.3 (27)
and Yards per game: 365.3 (25)

This is going to be a LONG painful season AGAIN.

People can say, Oh we aren't showing the real stuff yet. It's vanilla, blah blah blah. Well, so is everyone else. Our scrubs are playing their scrubs and our scrubs are getting OWNED. I don't know how you strike a balance between a stellar O and/or stellar D. But it can be done. Denver won the damn SB last year with a 3rd ranked D and an O that was ranked 15 ish or higher in Offensive categories. So I'm not buying into any more bull**** from Payton or Loomis about, this is best for this, this is best for that. Get your heads out of your collective asses and take some chances, REAL chances and find the right people. People that have been playing in this league for 20 years were great players for their former teams (James Laurinaitis) for one. But good God, they were let go for a reason. Please quit picking these people up! And Jarius Byrd, holy crap! I'll be honest. I drink a few beers when I watch the games so I don't catch every play. But I honestly don't recall ever seeing him do ANYTHING EVER, in the 5 plays I've seen him in since being here.

Like I said above. A LONG season looms. Here we go again.
Hope you can score 50 a week Drew.

vpheughan 08-27-2016 06:38 PM

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Rick Venturi is the color commentator for the preseason Colts TV games and is on talk radio all the time. Listening to him you wonder with all his knowledge how did he compile a 2 - 19 NFL coaching record? Reminds me of Matt Millen before he became the GM at Detroit (we all know how that went) Knew EVERYTHING!!!!

foreverfan 08-27-2016 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 4everSaint (Post 714433)
As of today:
Total points given up: 77 (32)
Points per game: 25.7 (32)
Rushing yrds per game: 95.0 (13)
Total passing yards: 769 (31)
Passing yards per game: 265.3 (27)
and Yards per game: 365.3 (25)

This is going to be a LONG painful season AGAIN.

People can say, Oh we aren't showing the real stuff yet. It's vanilla, blah blah blah. Well, so is everyone else. Our scrubs are playing their scrubs and our scrubs are getting OWNED. I don't know how you strike a balance between a stellar O and/or stellar D. But it can be done. Denver won the damn SB last year with a 3rd ranked D and an O that was ranked 15 ish or higher in Offensive categories. So I'm not buying into any more bull**** from Payton or Loomis about, this is best for this, this is best for that. Get your heads out of your collective asses and take some chances, REAL chances and find the right people. People that have been playing in this league for 20 years were great players for their former teams (James Laurinaitis) for one. But good God, they were let go for a reason. Please quit picking these people up! And Jarius Byrd, holy crap! I'll be honest. I drink a few beers when I watch the games so I don't catch every play. But I honestly don't recall ever seeing him do ANYTHING EVER, in the 5 plays I've seen him in since being here.

Like I said above. A LONG season looms. Here we go again.
Hope you can score 50 a week Drew.



billyt81 08-28-2016 11:22 PM

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OK I haven't read all posts but let's chill a second. The offense will be good if not great. It ALWAYS is. If the D can be mediocre, we can win the bowl. Preseason is meaningless. In the Saints horror years we always looked great in preseason. Haslett won all his preseason games. I still believe. I admit I can't predict a Championship but I'm still optimistic. Brees is the QB. If some of the WRs we hot can produce and the D can improve, even later in the season, we could do it. WHO DAT!

lee909 08-28-2016 11:30 PM

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Is the offense as good as it was. Every keeps saying top 3 or 4. Thats going off yards which is meaningless. The offense is good but hasn't been great since 2012

Total points scored
2012 3rd, 461 points
2013 10th, 414pts
2014 9th, 401pts
2015 8th, 408pts

Compare that to 2009 and 2011 Great offenses of 516 and 547 points.

billyt81 08-30-2016 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 714684)
Is the offense as good as it was. Every keeps saying top 3 or 4. Thats going off yards which is meaningless. The offense is good but hasn't been great since 2012

Total points scored
2012 3rd, 461 points
2013 10th, 414pts
2014 9th, 401pts
2015 8th, 408pts

Compare that to 2009 and 2011 Great offenses of 516 and 547 points.

I haven't loved our offense the last few years either. Last year teams often crowded the box on us and we lacked the WRs to make 'em pay. We need another one to step up. I like Ingram, but how many teams does anyone think he'd start for? I could see Peyton and Brees putting Fleener in the Pro Bowl, but he is an average blocker at best. So, in conclusion, Brees is the QB. The offense will be fine.


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