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Listen to this tripe;

"In my opinion from what I viewed on Thursday’s Saints-Texans’ joint practice, the cornerback play was “shaky at best” against DeAndre Hopkins and his fellow Texans wide receivers"

So keeping a guy who has had 2 knee injuries, a hip injury and a recent injury setback is totally going to change that? No it's not.

It's just like the Jimmy Graham trade all over again, people still to this day say it was an awful trade yet Brees' production didn't slip in the slightest.

All this "Keenan wasn't one of Dennis Allens crew" in my opinion is BS
I Think the real story is Keenan thought he was untouchable, wouldn't buy into a scheme because the DC isn't trying to be his best friend like RR was and we have drafted and signed young CB's.

He was threatened because he couldn't fight for his spot, so chose to place blame elsewhere.

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Everytime people ***** about the Saints trading or cutting someone the Saints prove them wrong. Got rid of Jamal Brown and he was injured the next year and out of football. Jimmy Graham trade looks like they did the right thing. Galette was a cancer that had to be dealt with. Look at him now. The Saints know how to make tough decisions and do it no matter how unpopular it may be. I applaud them for that.
I really don't understand Grubbs and Evans the same year though.

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This is not a publicly-traded company and we are not shareholders. Loomis / SP don't answer to us. If they do a sh** job, they'll be fired.
I was a big Lewis fan, but I am a bigger Saints fan.
Not sure why this hack nobody needs an explanation, but I do not.

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I still don't understand letting Keenan go. I understand Breaux has a full season under his belt but other than Fennigan, none of the other CB's have played a full season. Swann has had multiple concussions, PJ as good as he has shown has yet to play a single down in an NFL Game, ditto with Crawley and Harris. I'm more than likely to believe Keenan for the simple fact that when he was a Free Agent he took less money to come home than he could have gotten by staying in Pittsburgh or going elsewhere. This doesn't look good. Hopefully it all works out.

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You know what I think needs explaining is why posters on this site one year will say oh player x is great he is a beast, he's a player that will Carry this team etc but as soon as he is no longer a saint it's oh he sucks awful player and the scum of the earth. I've seen it happen time and time again here.I don't understand alot of posters here when it comes to players but those same people act as if management does no wrong or ever screws up. IMHO we have a ton of hypocritical fans

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As I posted elsewhere there were only two ways to keep Lewis on the roster:

1. On the active 53
2. IR and return later in the season.

Option 2 likely went out the window when Rankins broke his leg. Option #1 is tough going when DBs such as Crawley and Harris have the ability to both play on the defense and play special teams.

Honestly, I believe the Saints did Lewis a favor. Instead of spending another whole year on IR, Lewis can get healthy, then make a workable deal to play the remainder of this season.

SFIAH

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:deadhorse2:

Dead horses tell no tales.

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All you need to know is that Loomis is a genius. That's why Brees eats up all the cap, the Saints are at or over the limit each year and 31 teams have more talent. The worst thing that ever happened to the Saints is that Colston a 7th round pick turned into a pro bowl stud WR. From then on Loomis and Payton became their own biggest fans.

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:lolup:

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What????? No!!!!! Not here!

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Maybe, just maybe, Lewis can't play anymore, and that's why he was cut.
He's 30 years old and has multiple injuries. We'll see how many teams line up to sign him.

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From two different articles,

On March 14, 2013, Lewis signed a five-year, $26.3 million contract with the New Orleans Saints.[4] On November 26, 2015 Lewis was placed on injured reserve with a leg injury, ending his season. Lewis had been slowly recovering from January 2016 hip surgery. He started training camp on the physically unable to perform list, and although the team activated him from PUP on Aug. 3, 2016, he practiced just one day and had been sidelined ever since. On August 19, 2016, Lewis was released by the Saints.

Keenan Lewis was a star under defensive coordinator Rob Ryan in his first season with New Orleans back in 2013.
Now that Dennis Allen is running the defense, the Saints have cut ties with the veteran cornerback.
Is it the change in coordinator that led to Lewis' Friday exit? He certainly believes that's the case, telling ESPN's Josina Anderson that he was never "one of (Allen's) guys."

"Dennis Allen, we never got along since day one. It was something that happened years ago," Lewis said. "... Like he told me seven years ago, I didn't have what it takes to make it. He told me face-to-face that I wasn't going to make it. So I always used that as my motivation every time I see him."

Lewis was limited to six games in 2015 due to a litany of injuries that resulted in surgeries for an MCL tear, torn labrum and a sports hernia. He tried to played through the two labrum injuries last season, just as he battled through a 2014 injury that left his knee swollen to a degree that he describes as "the size of a bowling ball."

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I still don't agree with the options. I would have rather kept him on the active roster than let him go. I mean as it has been pointed out several times, what has Byrd done for us? Nothing. With Keenan and Breaux we have arguably the best 2 Corners in The NFC.

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I have rarely had a problem with anyone the Saints have gotten rid of, be it a release or a trade. It's some of the moves they make to bring players in that have been questionable at the very best.

I can't believe writers are still complaining about the Graham trade. I was watching the replay of the game against Houston on NFL network the other day, and I heard Spencer Tillman say something like "the Saints are still paying for that mistake". I can't remember his exact words, but I know he called it a mistake. It was one of those moments where you wish you could be sitting next to the guy to tell him how dumb his comment was, and ask him if he watched any football last year, or if he he just graded the trade when it happened and went straight into hibernation.

Because last I checked, Jimmy did next to nothing, then got injured and missed the rest of the year, while we got Max Unger to make the line just a little less awful. Stephone Anthony still has a lot to prove, but even if he doesn't work out, there isn't one solid piece of evidence to suggest that the Saints lost the deal.

I even thought trading Jimmy would force Brees to spread it around more instead of forcing it to said player so freaking much. And that's exactly what happened. Unfortunately, Drew got hurt, and the line continued to stink overall. But Jimmy would not have made any difference in my opinion.

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This Lewis thing, I'm not sure about yet. He absolutely drew my ire, and that of others, when he got all butt hurt about his contract a while back. People try to inflate the value of players all the time, but when you are UNDER CONTRACT, you have no right to complain. Nobody owes you retroactively if you out play your deal. Just keep playing and you'll make good on the next deal. Instead he couldn't stay healthy. So that doesn't make him look good.

However, this seems really early to release him. Would it REALLY be so detrimental to just wait it out till final cuts, instead of cutting him now and letting bubba bo bob brain, or whoever, get knocked around at the bottom of the roster for a couple of more weeks instead of Lewis?

That's my only issue. It's not like he was going to cost PJ Williams or Delvin Breaux a roster spot. I can only guess that there might have been some off the field problems with his attitude or something. But that isn't confirmed, so I'm still just a little surprised.

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Championship!

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Apologize, hell Keenan was a walking body cast. Graham hasn't been the same without Brees and never will be. They tried to replace Sproles with Spiller on the cheap. Harper was no where near him prime. Gallette was a walking rap sheet and isn't he on the IR this year or in jail. Jenkins is probably the only one I would say anything about, so all in all I think they did OK with the majority of these moves. I will never fault the organization for trying to make the team better it's when they do nothing when I will complain the loudest.

We did win a Superbowl with the people they want to apologize! So there you have it!

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Exactly. Keeping him on the roster wouldn't have hurt. Only helped us.

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Keeping him on the roster hurts because it means one less healthy player available to the team.

I believe that it's really just as simple as Williams is healthy and playing reasonably well while Lewis is unavailable. Payton has said as much when asked about the release.

As I've said, it's likely that the Saints did Lewis a favor. It's tough to catch on when you're a late cut.

SFIAH

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Ok i have managed oe paragraph yet and its already rubbish

Shouldn't have let lance Moore go.
As much as i loved watching the guy it was time to go as his failing everywhere have shown. His place was taken pretty much by Brandon Cooks and Willie Snead who are both youger,faster and biggest of all cheaper.

Sproles was a cost cutting exercise,Harper went again far over payed and Vacarro was expected to play better than he has at times. Malcolm Jenkins,yeah that looks a mistake but he never showed what he has for the Eagles in a Saints jersey.

Jimmy Graham was a masterstroke,the guys body is failing him,even before his latest injury. Money off the books and Anthony and Unger.

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I'll just take my money back.

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this all makes sense ^ except for the timing. Cuts to 75 aren't until next week, and then 20 more guys will 4 days later. So Lewis had another 8 days and a game to show he was ready, or at least improving.
Even injured, you'd think he was a better option than TE #5, or OLB #11

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Typical clueless article by a fringe website.

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As I said, he was never going to take a roster spot From PJ or Breaux, or any other top talent on this team. He doesn't have to compete with their roster spot, at this time. There are other players at different positions who are never going to make this team. I think Lewis has done enough when healthy to earn the right to try to get healthy, at least up until final cuts.

If he can't get healthy and get on the field this preseason for the Saints, then he wouldn't for anyone else, either. So with that in mind, I don't agree that they did him any favors.

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Pretty much exactly my only issue with it. Lewis may never have gotten on the field, but keeping guys who are just warm bodies, for the sake of having warm bodies doesn't outweigh the importance of trying to get Lewis healthy, knowing what he's capable of. Not in my mind anyway.

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Questionable moves?...who knows

Questional website?...ABSOLUTELY

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Mebbe they'll wait until after the Super Bowl.

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The way they've wasted A LOT of Mr. Benson's money is a bigger crime. Not many players who leave the Saints go on to bigger and better things.

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it was bad news with keenon but we been thru this before some kind of way the ship will tilt the right way again, 30 yrs old and still not up to par that will bother him where ever he lands, if anyone on this earth knows the older you get the harder it is to come back. the hip man its tough as any to get past that. lewis knows hes has to be 100% to make a squad. but them big numbers he used to get are done,

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Saints have a history as soon as a player starts showing he has the injury bug they release them. As if to say the game as pasted you or this isn't your game any longer. Time to retire or go home and enjoy...

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Letting Lewis go is not really a surprise to me. He has been trending down, this will not be another Jenkins mistake.

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Respectfully, that's not always the case; assuming you're speaking of the Sean Payton tenure...

Saints stuck it out with Colston, Vilma, Stinchcomb, Evans, Jenkins, Lewis (been going on for two + seasons), and not that they've had any choice but Byrd...

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My guess is he was a whiner and Payton didn't like him whining to the public via twitter. Whining to the public is a no no to Payton. I'm surprised Loomis and the front office caved in when he first started whining about his contract.

Anyway the young guys will get valuable reps in the preseason. They are the future. And they need every rep that they can get.:bng:

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Free agent CB Keenan Lewis will visit the Steelers on Tuesday night.
Lewis was linked to the Steelers by the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette's Gerry Dulac on Monday. Lewis was actually a third-round pick of the Steelers in 2009 before leaving for the Saints in 2013. Cut but New Orleans at least partly due to health concerns, this visit will likely be to check on the status of Lewis' balky hip. ESPN's Josina Anderson reports the Lions, Jets, and Cardinals are also interested. Aug 23 - 10:19 AM
Source: Josh Katzenstein on Twitter

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Why do people think Keenan Lewis was going to come back into is pro bowl form... I for one don't think he was not with all his recent injuries.... Out with the old in with the young...

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I don't like to be over critical of folks but concerning the author of this article - dude - stick to evaluating whether or not your grass is long enough to cut.

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The awful thing about the Jenkins one, is he only admitted that he worked on improving himself after we released him.

So if we had kept him around, he wouldn't have had that "kick into gear" and we'd be saying the same old things about him anyway.

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