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Thank God for Max Unger and Terron Armstead. Were it not for the two Saints All-Pro caliber veterans at center and left tackle respectively, the Saints offensive line would be a total dumpster fire.

NO SUGAR-COATING IT: Saints O-Line is TERRIBLE

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Strief is better than people give him credit for and Sergio has been fairly solid.

The two weakest players are Lelito and Peat IMO.

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1.) No Strief isn't. He is done.

2.) It's Senio Kelemete. He also sucks.

This all comes down to our Coaches aversion to drafting any player from LSU. If we had taken Collins last year, we are not in this position.

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I wanted Collins too, but that narrative is getting old. He said he wouldn't sign with anyone who drafted him outside the first round. And from what I understand we made him an offer after the draft, but he made it clear that Dallas, for whatever God awful reason, was the only place he wanted to play. You can't fault the organization for not taking him in the first when he was connected to a murder investigation, and that's the only way we could have had him.

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It's time for a change in the big easy if you ask me a total house cleaning from the top to bottom.

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Good thing no one is asking you

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Too many of you are jumping off the ship...

After re-watching the game, pass protection wasn't that bad. Sure there were a few breakdowns, but the more I see it the more I am lead to believe the line needs time to gel. Houston has always had a stout defense and that starts with the front 7.

Players at the skilled positions made the true mistakes, from drops to fumbles and turnovers. Additionally the INT on Drew was BS, should have been a pass-interference call.

On the first drive alone you had 2 huge drops; both of which would have been first downs, Coleman's which would have had us in scoring position.

HOU and NE are both likely to win their divisions this year. Back away from the ledge.

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I don't know where you get your info but Strief grades out pretty high at his position. He did better than Most other players in the league against JJ Watt last year.
Watt did school him a couple of times but he does that to everyone. Strief is a lot better than most give him credit for.
Look up some stats on him compared to others in the league and you will be surprised

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See how you feel after another losing season if this team gets to 7-9 it will be a miracle Loomis and Payton era has sailed dude time to take the black and gold specs off and see the light of day

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The Saints have a 36 million dollar 3rd string TE, who needs an offensive line or a WR that can catch the football? I wonder what the Vegas odds are on Brees surviving the season?

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If the saints refuse to Peat at LT and Armstead st RT then they must keep him at RG no matter what this year. He needs the reps on the right side. Give it 8 games and then start to panic.

LG is a huge void

Will Drew survive? fair question

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So what's your plan then? Who's your new GM, Head coach, Coaching staff, QB, and players? I dont like the losing seasons either but do you realize how ridiculous "clean house" sounds? We were one decent Defense away from making the playoffs and even being contenders the last 2 years and it's obvious that the organization has addressed that. The offense has been perennial Top 5 since Payton took over. And now you want to clean house. lol

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Pardon me, but that is just frickin' stupid. Please tell me you are not serious.

:rolleyes:

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Who the hell is that? You guys are a joke. You don't know crap about football. This was a preseason game with several key players not even dressed facing last season's second ranked defense. The Saints were clearly taking a look at players on the bubble. Half the players that played most of the downs will not make the final roster. You can't determine **** from what you saw on Saturday other than individual performance of a handful of players ... including Peat, but only to a degree.

:stupid:

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Okay so having Cooks, Fleener, and Snead on the field actually helps the offensive line? It's the other way around.

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No ****, Sherlock. And don't forget Armstead and Michael Thomas' limited time, and not to mention Brees. The Saints had bubble receivers out there that couldn't shake an outstretched hand, not to mention a defender. It made the d-line's job easy. Snead, Cooks and Fleener will all three be outlets which will soften the defense.

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I'm dead serious it's time for a change dude! This regime has peaked it was great while it lasted but it's over and it's not coming back. Wake up . You guys are in denial. Since the super bowl it has been a steady decline. How many more losing seasons is it gonna take for you to see it .

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O line sucks
Running game sucks had sucked for years be honest
Defense sucks better but still sucks 10 yr old plus problem
Cap situation sucks yeah next year better but Brees will suck that up
The only thing that's good is the passing

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I saw plenty of losing seasons with a FAR worse product than the Saints can field today every year prior to 2006. You don't totally clean house when you still have your historically best in-house. I'm just glad you have no say in it or we would be back to praying for three or four wins a year again.

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This O-line don't get fixed we'll get to see if Brees is Archie Manning tough thats for sure. LG is a huge hole and I'll add RG and throw in a good possibility RT, as much as I have liked Strief over the years( nothing special but solid) he's going to have a hard time maintaining this season. 2 positions with the possibility of a 3rd are hurting on that line. Payton's screwed the pooch this time.

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If it wasn't for Drew Brees we would be Cleveland. In the Payton and Loomis era they have not been able to field a respectable running game or defense year after year. What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same things expecting different results and those two are the poster child's for that. Who was the last 1000 yard rusher this team has had? It was deuce in 2006 that's just sad. Where has this top 5 offense got you in the last 10 years a 7-9 playoff record. 5 out of the last 10 years it's has gotten you a 8-8 record or worse. 3 of the last 4 years 7-9.

Yes they provided us a Superbowl but how long do you excuse the failures? Not mentions the controversies.
Like I said they have peaked time to move on face reality guys

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What controversy?

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Well let's see there was off the top of my head.
the Bountygate scandal
Vicodin fiasco
Aledged wire taping thing
Weather they are true or not this regime has been surrounded by tremulous events
In college the have lack of institutional control you could say this regime falls in that relm

Look I'm not saying it has been all bad but to sit here and think this regime should not be accountable for the crap they have done is wrong. I just ask how long is the head coach and GM going to receive a pass for underachieving. Payton is the highest paid coach in the NFL for what mediocrity. 5 winning seasons 4 losing seasons and 1 8-8 year come on how long does an Superbowl buy these guys.

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I, for one, am not on any ledge. But do I think the line sucks? Abso-freaking-lutely.

I watched the replay, too. Protection was just as bad as ever, and so was the run game. And being that it IS pre-season, defenses aren't exactly firing away out there. Plus, there was no JJ Watt.

I'm all for giving guys time to gel, but this is the same group from last year. How long does it take to gel? I think the defense will be improved, and depending on how far the pass rush has come (of which, there is no true barometer until the real season starts) they could even be vastly improved. But on offense, everything hinges on that O-line, and nothing is indicating to me that it is heading in the right direction.

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NO WAY! We have much better uniforms!!!

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Methinks it's safe to say they'll be no kicking of the Championship "Tyers" or 105 Octane "Petrol" in "Ye Old Tank" this year!!!

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Im not worried about the record or offensive rank since SP took over. I worried about the past 2 years and this one creeping up on us. If this is another losing season I agree we need to clean house. And that means Drew as well. Franchise him and trade him for picks to a team that can afford the deal he wants. Losing season in 2016, time to start over. A top 3 QB is not worth having if the rest of your team ranks last.

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Thank god you aren't in any position of power in the Saints' organization.

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Is this guy serious? :dunce:

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Making everything work is a whole lot more complicated than we think.
Individual performances weaved into a team effort on a budget - weekly.
Payton has had a revolving door trying to find someone who can do what he does on offense with a defense.
It's just not easy.
I'm concerned about what I've seen so far too.
But I'm nowhere close to demolishing and rebuilding.
I've seen some ugly football. And this is nowhere close to that. Not by a long shot.

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My projected starters for OL

T Armsted
T Lelito
U Max
L Turner
A Peat

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Agreed. I have my concerns about the o-line as well, but I'm confident in two things. One - that getting into the regular season and running our actual offense will bring improvement, because it has to. Two - that if it is still a serious issue during the season they will do something to address it, because they have to. I'm sure the coaches and front office alike realize how potentially devastating the loss of Brees could be, anyone with a brain and eyes understands that.

Aside from the o-line and coughinjuriescough what else do we really have to worry about? This team looks to have a ton of young talent, more than I think I've seen at one time in all the years I've been a fan, mixed in with a pretty strong group of veterans. There's a lot to like and a lot of reason for hope. Real football is almost here ladies and gentlemen, and goshdamnit I'm excited about it. We all should be excited. It's okay to be excited people!

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I went to practice and sat next to the O-line and watched them closely. They don't seem as athletic as the D-line. In fact the O-line doesn't look athletic at all. They plod along. Between the whistles and horns(drill changes) their position group stands closer than any other. So, I think they are a close unit. But it's not a talented group. You could see it in position drills and throughout practice.

Watching Peat run gassers was pathetic. The fans groaned watching him run. Someone said he got lapped. He's soft and doesn't have the energy to be tough in the trenches.

He's still young though ya'll. We may be able to toughen him up with another year or two in the NFL. He looked much better this year with a year in an NFL weight training program and I think he will continue to develop.

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I feel the same way Burn.

The concern over the O line is not overblown. The concerns are legit.

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This is one of the reasons I'm not sold on our D. Poor play by the O line just makes them seem better. By game 4 regular season may tell alot about both sides of the ball. With teams watching game film they get a decent view of how to attack D's more easily Thats how most 1 hit wonders happen with the D little or no film. I do think we have alot of talent on the D side it's just how to use them properly.

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if the Oline cant get it together its going to be bad.... very bad... 7-9 or worse... again....

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No Strief sucks. I don't care what the grade is, he is done. He has been done for the last 2 years. The only reason that he is starting is due to the fact Peat isn't ready to be The Full Time RT. In fact he may never be ready. I mean, JJ Watt was pleading with Coach Payton to better protect Drew Brees in last years game. I mean, come on man if that isn't an indication that Strief is done then nothing else will. Plus, a lot of Strief's success has to do with Drew's release and the fact that Evans was there to assist him for the last 5 years.

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That is your opinion. It's wrong. But it is your opinion and you have the right to it.

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Judging a RT on how well JJWatt does against you is foolish. He had 3 bad games in 2015 and played very well in the other 13.

Why must people focus on the 2 or 3 bad games instead of the 13 or 14 good ones?

No doubt he's starting to lose his battle with father time, but he didn't suck.

In fact Evans had a worse grade over the last few years than Strief did, and guess what, the coaches let Evans walk. Perhaps what you saw was Evans sucking and you blaming it on Strief?