Are the Saints Player Personnel Soft Under Payton?
 

When it comes to Offensive strategy and game planning, Sean Payton has few, if any, contemporaries; but you see headlines and tweets such as these, do thoughts of the Saints being soft creep into your field of Saints Vision?

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I wanted say the concussions are soft. Thats just getting hit at the right/wrong place

I would say the team is soft and has no nasty streak running through it. By nasty im not talking Galette/Hardy nasty i mean Steve Smith type leave it on the field,get in players faces type nasty. Too many players with 'character issues' have been looked over because the front office seems scarred to have anything controversial since bountygate. Its all nice boys in the dressing room. Get a few Steve Smiths,Vontaze Burfict,Incognito in there. All three could have been had and had cheap over the past few years too

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I think we've been soft for years. Our players are made of glass.

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I've pointed to one example in the past and I'll use it again

In 2015 we needed desperate help at corner, brandon browner obviously showed us he was not the answer. However we had a chance to address it before it even became an issue and guess what we did?

We passed on Defensive rookie of the year Marcus Peters and drafted Andrus Peat instead, all because Peters had some issues, KC are reaping the rewards now though.

I think we have had a good couple drafts, but they could be much better if SP wasn't afraid to take calculated risks like he used to.

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Maybe im over pessimistic but im really worried were this team is going. Its starts from the very top. Im not sure there is anyone running the team at the moment. The ownership needs sorting because as it stands Loomis and Paytin have no pressure. I really do believe they could go 3-13 and still be in a job. The owner needs to be in a frame of mind to run the team and make decisions. I love what Paytons done but there has been a terrible defense there for the best part of a decade bar the odd year and ultimately thats on the HC not just a succession of DC to sort out. While so many DCs have been thrown under the bus other 'loyal/friendly" position coaches have got away with terrible performances. I think fundamental change is needed from top to bottom and id honestly teally consider change allround after this year. The coaches messages either are not getting through or the players are just not listening anymore. This always happens after a coach has spent long spells with clubs,something needs freshening up and its the staff or players. But as i said until the ownership is sorted its a ship without a captain.

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I honestly dont think he has been the same since tbe suspension. I dont think the franchise as a whole has. The seem to scared to take risks

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We're a finesse offense... Typically that type of team is soft.

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After the past few crappy drafts we cant afford to take any risks. I guess they felt Peat was the saftest pick and maybe not the BPA.

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But for a team with little cap space and so many needs drafting a LT and pushing him to G where he is looking terrible when you have one of the top 3 LT in the league is plain stupidity

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Exactly!!

Further to that point, you draft Stephone Anthony to be your anchor and leader on D.

Sure the kid makes a couple of mistakes here and there but he's a rookie, he had to learn the system better than anyone and then line everyone else up.

So how do we repay him for the first Saints rookie LB since the dome patrol to log 100 tackles?

That's right....we sign a 32 year old replacement and shift a promising rookie to a different spot.

It gets too much every year, hearing we are shifting players around, draft for your needs. Don't draft a LT if you already have a top 3 LT.

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I thought they drafted Peat to take over RT. Well, I'm not saying Peat was a great pick, I'm just speculating why they passed on Peters. I guess they were trying to take a can't miss approach with the first pick but we can't tell if they missed or not because they won't use him at the correct position. Maybe they're just trying him out at guard during preseason just to see how he plays there....hopefully. As far as Anthony, I thought I read that he said he wasn't comfortable at MLB and that's why they shifted him over.

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The time to worry isbt when people are angry its when they say nothing as it means they no longer care

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I laugh when I hear people say our fans are better than Falcon fans.

Our fans are just as bad if not worse than Falcon fans.

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Hang on a second. This is a thread asking if the Saints are soft, right? I clearly read your comment on the first page saying the Saints have been soft for years.

And one guy comes in with his usual "I'm above everyone else" type of comment, and now you flip it around and decide that our fan base is as bad or worse than the Falcons?

Not only is that way off base, but it's extremely hypocritical of you.

For the record, I think the team has been soft over the last few years, too. But I'm not going to reverse course because some guy posts a picture of tampons, in a show of incredible originality.

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I've never seen the Saints as a black and blue team that's why the whole Bounty-gate deal was so absurd.

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Thats on Dennis Allen and Payton for letting him do it.

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Soft and weak.

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Moose & Squirrel

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Good post. Remember if you don't shine that turd you need a tampon.

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Guys cmon now! Everyone is either in full out panic mode or completely blissfully hopeful (which is where I prefer to stay). All I'm saying is this: Let's just wait until week 3 or 4 to seriously make a conclusion about this team.

Maybe the Saints will suck big, fat donkey nuts. Or maybe the lines solidify in the coming weeks and they put a good team out there.

All I'm saying is that I prefer to wait and see what the team can do in the regular season before passing my judgement.

But I'd like to say, that even tho I don't agree with some of you, at least not yet, I still respect your opinions and look forward to seeing you all in the game day chat.

I still believe there's a chance. And I believe in Coach P, DA and this team.

Yay for optimism!

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Soft.

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My comment was more toward the bombardment of negativity all throughout the main page more so than just this thread.

It just looked like a good opportunity to expose the chicken little fans that for some reason think we're superior to Falcon fans, when we certainly are not.

There's actually a thread asking who do you want to win the NFCS?

On a Saints board... Seriously? Thats pathetic.

My post may have been on the wrong thread, but the point remains.

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We haven't recruited a nasty lineman like Carl Nicks since Payton came on board. I think we need a pancake flattening, defensive line pummeling, in your face nasty offensive lineman. I'm hoping that Fairley is going to bring that edge to the defensive line.

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Right after they draft "A stud kicker"

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The likes of Carl Nicks, Jahri Evans and Ben Grubbs had me spoiled for years.

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I asked a legitimate question because if our oline affects Drew's performance, we are not even winning 7 games. Yep it's obvious the defense will have to bail Drew out until he can dial up a drive four possessions in. Is that what we really want?

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So you are proclaiming that the offense will routinely not score on any of the first three possessions of games this season. Are you willing to place a wager on that or are you going to weasel out? I'm saying you are full of crap and have no idea what you are talking about.

The wager? If the Saints offense fails to score once in the first three possessions in week one I will not post in this forum until after the following game ... unless they fail to score once in the first three possessions week two, then no posting until after week three ... etc.

Conversely, if the Saints' offense scores in one of the first three possessions in week one you agree to not post in the forum until after week two's game, unless the Saints score in one of their first three offensive possessions ... etc.

Sounds fair to me and it would eliminate those negative threads you are constantly posting.

Or are you chicken**** because you know you are full of crap and have no idea what you are talking about?

Well?

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Hello! WillSaints81! Yoohoo! Are you afraid or are you admitting that you are full of crap and have no idea what you are talking about? Your silence speaks volumes.

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I would agree with Nicks and Evans; Grubbs was an overpaid, underwhelming player who'd I definitely characterize as soft...

Sproles' last season, Saints hosting the Dolphins, Grubbs got thrown around like a toy in that game...

It was an eye-opening game for me because it showed how important "the Sproles Safety Valve" was to Drew Brees and the offense and masked deficiencies in our offensive line even then...

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He was still a upgrade on what we have now. Not a patch on Nicks though

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Grubbs? No way; you had younger, better offensive around him...

There was a reason why the Ravens let him walk; they knew he was leaning on those around him, not pulling his weight...

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Im saying he was better than Lelito and Kelemete thats all. The Ravens let him go as they pay nobody. They are one of the teams that benefit from the ridiculous comp picks

You get a comp pick so can let a player walk in FA so as he walks you get another comp pick to let another walk. Rinse and repeat. Its great if you habe the scouts and GM to pick the rigjt players

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Respectfully, I say he wasn't; he was the beneficiary of better players around him, younger Strief, younger Evans, Sproles coming outta the backfield, younger Brees...

And we've moved even further to a zone scheme than before requiring a little more of the guards...

Grubbs was no better than Lelito nor Kelemete are now...

Now do we need better? Of course we do.

Has the FO missed opportunities to make the Oline better? You betcha.

But the guaranteed overpay of Grubbs at Left Guard was the FO kidding themselves that they'd solved the LG position when it fact it was a case of putting alot of money about a turd, but at the end of the day we still had a turd at Left Guard.

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Damn, Forever, you're reference knowledge of pop culture is boundless!

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Just wanted to show people that I really give a crap. :)