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Averaging nearly 8 penalties and 80 yards on flags per game. Over 350 ypg given up,25.7ppg

And 7 fumbles lost in three games

If people want to say that being angry at a team repeating the same mistakes is whining well thats up to them

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I don't think that was our defense. Why would saints risk the players getting hurt dealing with Antonio? I think saints went vanilla there.

Offense, no I don't think we did.

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Calm down man, I'm not trying to talk bad about anyone or say you don't get to have an opinion. But you say no one is trying to say it's over and such and that's not true. I've seen a lot of "no chance at the playoffs" "we're done" "we just plain suck" since halfway through the game, in the chat and on the boards. There's a thread titled "5-11 to 7-9" for crying out loud! We all have concerns, but coming here and seeing nothing but doom and gloom is depressing. And the only way to avoid it here in these last few days is to stay away from the boards altogether. Well I dunno about you, but I happen to love it here. I check in probably no less than 30 times per day from my phone. This is one of about 3 websites I visit, period. So to stay away sucks just as bad.

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While we sometimes disagree on things, I couldn't agree more with any of that!

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As fans we are always Optimist when football season rolls around. However after we get a glimpse of what we see we start to form a opinion as to the strength and weaknesses of said team. This year so far I have seen no strength on this team. Tell me one area you see as a strength please. As some point that same optimism turn into denial and that's where some of you are in flat out denial.

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2 guards and another DE and this team takes 10 steos forward. Without pressure of a pass rush our young DBs will be abused. Without a strong interior the great weapons on offense won't get the time to get free.

Its not far off but bad drafts and poor FA spending are keeping the team back

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Those that are hating the complaining are the ones who wanted defense defense defense. Well they got it. And they think this defense is supposed to hold teams to 20 points a game, even the elite ones while the offense can only score 24.

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I wanted defense and have no issue with Rankins pick. The issue was spending 4ml on the likes of Spiller,Fleener and Browner instead of filling out the guard positions with the likes of Mathis,Alex Boone,Clint Boling, Stefen Wisniewski or Richie Incognito. Could easily have got at least one if not two of them under the cap. Nobody will convince me 8ml a year for Spiller and Ingram is worth the money (and i like Ingram) but we never get 16 games a year from them. Same with well overpaying Fleener.

I understand the Byrd deal at the time,he was one of the top FS in the NFL but the background on his injuries were obviously not looked into

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I couldn't help but notice in the last game, our lack of pressure and the correlation to Jenkins being back on the line. That dude is done!

And as far as the doom and gloom, some of us probably had high hopes for a better looking team, definitely a better looking D. After listening to numerous reports from camp, who could help being excited. Then you see the games and its like wtf is going on. Our O is 1 guard, ideally 2, from being what we have come to expect. If we can not generate a pass rush, we will again be screwed. So 5-10 or 6-9 is what we will be if we don't get some help in here.

If you want to call that whining, go ahead, i could give 2 chits.

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I seriously think there are players that or worth every dime they make. However that hurts teams.

A team has to decided ok we need to trade so and so because we can't afford him lets find someone serviceable to fill his shows. Why having a great QB is a great thing... when you don't have a line to protect him or a running game to help him... yikes. that 20 million you put in your QB's pocket is going to waste.

I think we could be just as we have been if not better off trading Bree's and building the lines... YEAH I SAID IT. He isn't getting younger and we haven't put a team around him to win NOW. Which is what he needs.

Going to be curious how Bree's ends his career.