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You actually believe Drew will take less money. Do you really believe that? LMAO You're out of your mind I gotta laugh cause you call me nutts.




Do not assume that Drew is as Loyal to New Orleans if they don't franchise him.

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Where did I say he'd take less money? I said $25M per year fully guaranteed. That would be the largest annual and guaranteed contract to date. That would be a 25% annual increase over his current salary. He is currently getting paid on a contract with a $20M annual salary. The $30M counting against this year's cap exists because of a restructure and does not reflect his actual average.

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I believe Brees is about as loyal as you can get, but he would be well worth the $25M per season. I don't think Brees would take a "hometown discount" and I equally doubt that the Saints would be so foolish as to ask for one, nor do they need to given the amount of open cap space.

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Hope you get a enjoy watching him this year. It more than likely will be the last time you see him in black and gold. Time will tell. My money is on it is

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What are you going to do with yourself when he retires? You poo poo the idea of him leaving all the time. I'm not saying he's leaving after this year... But some day he is. If we're at the point that there is NO chance without Brees, then that should tell you something about this organization. You don't know what's going to happen, nothing you have said about the negotiations has come to pass. But I guess whatever happens, and when that happens, you will tell everyone you knew it.

There is going to be a replacement for Drew WHENEVER he leaves or retires. You know how I know that? Because there is no other choice. I get tired of reading the pompous "who are we gonna replace him with, hahahaha". The answer is whoever it takes.

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I just don't see the point in paying for Kobe beef if your gonna eat it off a Cow pie

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No kidding. Now just isn't the time, as you said yourself. I have no doubt there will be someone there to take over when Brees does retire. I fully expect the Saints to either draft a QB every year, or pick up UDFA QB's, or both. Hopefully one of those will not be too much of a downgrade.

My response to which you referred was talking about this coming off-season. That is laughable thinking Brees could be replaced with what is going to be available.

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It's better than paying going rate for a starting QB for horse meat. What you don't understand is that whatever Brees would be paid it won't make a dent in what is going to be available. If Brees gets the $25M per year, or a 25% increase from his 2012 contract rate he will be receiving a lower percentage of the total cap than he was receiving in 2012.

The 2012 cap was $120.6 million. Brees' $20M salary was basically 16.67% of the total cap.

If Brees re-signs at $25M per year, for three years, and the 2019 cap projections are $180 million, then Brees' $25M salary would basically be only 13.89% of the total cap.

While the Saints would be paying Brees more cash, it would be leaving a much greater percentage of cap available than at any point over the previous five years.

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Well as it stands there is around 40ml in open cap next year. Brees,Unger and Snead will eat that before you add rookies and FA unless you push the money back. Then Breaux,Cooks need new deals the years after. It about time we stopped sitting on the cap snd pushing the money back eating millions of dead money each year

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Suppose they draft a QB in the first round next year? You never know what you're going to get with draft picks. So it's not like you can wait until there is a guaranteed replacement. Because guarantees don't exist.

Ideally, Brees stays healthy and productive. But it's difficult to project how many years a QB has left once they get into their late 30's. I've made that point before. Peyton was 37 and breaking records a couple years ago, and it seemed like his career would never end. But he went downhill fast. Now, I'm not suggesting that we should assume that Brees will have that drastic of a drop, and that the Saints will, or should, just send him packing. But that's something that you know they have to think about. That's how you avoid going into years of disaster.

When the Packers drafted Rodgers, it's not like they were picking in the top 5. They drafted him in the mid 20's, and Favre was coming off another very strong season. They didn't HAVE to draft a QB, but they did, and it worked out. So when you ask who will they replace him with this coming off season, no one can say for sure who that will be, but there will be some options if they choose to go that way, which I don't expect.

One advantage we wouldn't have is having the QB sit and learn for a year. But that's what happens when you wait too long. At some point you have to plan for the future. Saying that we might not have another player of Brees' caliber is irrelevant. Because Drew isn't going to play for another 20 years. Nor will he play 10 years, regardless of what he says. So you still have to prepare.

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I personally would rather spend money on a great o line and above average defense and take my chances with say a Luke mccown or even a Nick Foles type QB that wouldn't demand high dollor and start looking for a future QB. We have seen the last couple of years where you get with a great QB and nothing else home in Jan. I'd rather be home in Jan one player away than home with 21 players away

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Mind bottling!

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wait a minute, there is more dead money right now then what we are paying drew and his average is like 10th or 12th on the list of QB's. His salary is not the problem, the dead money is

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we do need good lines, but right now there is 30+ mil in dead money. That's the issue, not Drew's salary. Every QB makes 20m, even alex smith. It is the reality right now.

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I've said it was reading a few pages back spkb25

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Yeah, inflation has pushed Drew down on the list of highest paid QB's. But he will be right up at the top for this season. And whether he re-signs or goes elsewhere, he'll be on top of the list again. It doesn't matter where you rank among the best, if you are just good enough for your team to want to sign you long term, you will be paid top 5 and, often, will be the highest paid. At least for about 5 minutes.

But indeed there are a lot of loose ends causing the cap problems. Even though some insist it isn't a problem because the cap will rise, blah blah... They conveniently forget that inflation will continue to follow it.

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Dead money WAS the problem. Dead money all but goes away next season with only $3.6M for Lewis, $1.3M for Browner, and $3,000 for Tovalland $1,000 for Tabb.

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No. The point is that $25M per year for Brees leaves tons of space for the future. It was the dead money of bad FA deals that got them in the bind. Dead money goes away and is no longer an issue. And as I pointed out earlier, Brees will be counting less of a percentage of the cap than before. There is no reason not to keep Brees unless you can replace him with something better.

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Guy......


I didn't say not to keep Brees. And I clearly acknowledged the "loose ends". All I said was that Brees has fallen down that list due to inflation. I have to figure that they will make up that difference on the next deal.

Of course the bad free agent deals were a huge problem. Haven't I said that hundreds of times? But the fact remains that teams who pay huge money for their QB's tend to have a devil of a time putting together a balanced roster. You have to be good at scouting and developing, and have an ability to turn over personnel pretty quickly, because you can only pay up for so many big names. The Saints have been very poor at that. Going all in on guys like Byrd, and trying to plug everything else.

Right now we have what appears to be a talented young defense. Now let's see if they can develop these players.

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i believe drew and payton need a couple more years to get back to the promised land. were young and dumb in some places that will be fixed, with no money its tough when you look foward to a new year in new orleans just because the nfl went up on salary cap a few millions and dead player money contracts are slowly disappearing,meaning were getting better and badder. so whatever it takes we have to keep the nucleus together.

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Trust me.......it's that bad. Guard play alone could cost this team another winning season. I hope not. It's possible that we pick up a couple of cuts that can contribute but I don't like basing my entire season on that possibility.

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And then we will need a Qb. And we won't be able to afford anyone decent so we would have to address that through the draft. If Drew wants to stay with the team he knows he has to give concessions when it comes to his salary or he may not live to see it through the season. Maybe he just doesn't want to play here anymore.