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Crusader 09-12-2016 05:10 AM

PFF Grades for the Saints vs Raiders
 
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New Orleans Saints

Quarterback grade: Drew Brees, 87.1

Despite being the oldest starting QB in Week 1 at 37 years old, Brees showed he’s still among the league’s top signal-callers. He was near-perfect throwing between the numbers, going 17-for-19 there, and connected on three of his four deep (20-plus-yard) passes, including dimes down the left sideline to Willie Snead and Brandin Cooks. When not under pressure, Brees finished with a 142.4 passer rating, versus a 63.9 rating when the Oakland rush did get to him. But that only happened on 16.3 percent of his dropbacks, the lowest rate of any QB this week, through the end of Sunday.

Top offensive grades:

QB Drew Brees, 87.1

WR Willie Snead, 82.5

RT Zach Strief, 80.3

C Max Unger, 79.7

WR Brandin Cooks, 78.5

Cooks and Snead make big plays downfield

While Brees looked as formidable as ever, his standout performance came with the help of some of his pass-catchers, notably Willie Snead and Brandin Cooks. Snead especially looked ready to build on an above-average 2015 season after hauling in all nine of his targets against six different defenders in primary coverage, for 172 yards and a touchdown. A fumble (following a 43-yard reception) was his lone blunder on the day. Cooks likewise made multiple big plays downfield, scoring on two of them, including a 98-yarder – his only reception in three targets against Raiders CB Sean Smith.

Among the other players that stood out on the Saints offense were two newcomers, rookie receiver Michael Thomas and tight end Coby Fleener, although their play was notable for different reasons. Thomas has clearly cemented his spot as the team’s third WR entering the season, as his 55 snaps were only seven less than Cooks and actually more than Snead. All but four those came on the outside, where he hauled in all six targets for 58 yards, including an impressive catch and run at 5:36 of the second quarter. Conversely, Fleener struggled, catching just one of four passes that went his way, while grading negatively as a run-blocker, where he surrendered a pair of stops.

Top defensive grades:

S Kenny Vaccaro, 86.1

DT Nick Fairley, 82.0

DT John Jenkins, 77.2

DE Darryl Tapp, 71.5

CB P.J. Williams, 70.5

Saints’ rookie corners struggle in second half

With cornerback Delvin Breaux limited to 24 snaps due to injury, much of the second half featured Oakland taking advantage of the Saints’ inexperience behind him, notably rookies DeVante Harris and Ken Crawley, who played 60 and 47 snaps, respectively. The two combined for five missed tackles and allowed a catch on 10 of 12 targets, with Crawley especially struggling. Oakland QB Derek Carr finished with a 143.8 passer rating on eight throws into Crawley’s coverage, the highest of any Saints defensive back.

Second-year cornerback P.J. Williams fared slightly better in his first regular-season action. He finished with an average grade in coverage after getting his hand on the ball at 11:07 of the second quarter for a pass defense, something neither of his aforementioned teammates managed, although Williams otherwise allowed 99 yards on four catches (eight targets).

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Oakland Raiders

Quarterback grade: Derek Carr, 84.1

It was a solid opener for Oakland QB Derek Carr, who led three fourth-quarter touchdown drives to bring the Raiders back from an 11-point deficit. He was more solid than spectacular, and slightly more conservative than his counterpart Drew Brees, only attempting passes of 20-plus yards twice, although he connected on both plays. But he was nevertheless effective, ending the game with just two negatively graded throws, and neither of those misfires put the ball at serious risk.

The most notable difference in Carr’s play came when the Saints sent extra rushers. He finished with a 125.2 passer rating on plays with four or fewer rushers, but against the blitz he often looked panicky in the pocket, regardless of whether there was actual pressure. That’s interesting, given he graded far better when blitzed in 2015 than against a standard rush.

Top offensive grades:

LG/LT Kelechi Osemele, 86.7

QB Derek Carr, 84.1

LT/RT Donald Penn, 82.6

FB Jamize Olawale, 80.9

C Rodney Hudson, 76.2

Osemele bounces back from rough preseason

Oakland’s offensive line had a big day, particularly left guard Kelechi Osemele, whom the team spent big money on in free agency. Osemele spent 51 snaps at left guard, and 24 at left tackle following an injury to Menelik Watson. In that span he surrendered a single pressure, but was even better in the run game, particularly against Saints linebacker Craig Robertson. Robertson bested him for a stop twice in the game, but otherwise the Raiders dominated the matchup, with Osemele sealing him at the second level multiple times, including on the team’s 75-yard touchdown run at 8:38 of the fourth quarter.

Top defensive grades:

S Keith McGill, 85.3

ED Bruce Irvin, 82.2

LB Ben Heeney, 78.1

ED Khalil Mack, 76.5

DE Denico Autry, 75.7

Another one of Oakland’s free agent acquisitions – edge rusher Bruce Irvin – had a strong showing on defense, and even bested Khalil Mack, who was quieter than expected but still above-average. Irvin finished the game with a defensive stop and four total pressures, including a sack-fumble on the opening drive of the game, setting up his team with prime field position. Otherwise, much of his impact came in the fourth quarter — he landed consecutive hits on Drew Brees, although the first was nullified by penalty, taking away an impressive inside move against Saints star left tackle Terron Armstead. His second pressure against Armstead was also nullified later in the quarter, which he won outside.


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Crusader 09-12-2016 05:15 AM

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I am slightly surprised to see two DTs with such high grades considering the trouble we had to stop the run. When I saw Jenkins on the field he seemed to be hustling thou.

K Major 09-12-2016 08:40 AM

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The Pass rush is simply not there.

lee909 09-12-2016 08:51 AM

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There isnt enough depth at DT. Only Fairley is a pass rusher and you cannot expect him to be able to keep fresh enough with the amount of snaps he has to take.

Really worried about this Breaux injury

ChrisXVI 09-12-2016 08:54 AM

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I was very impressed by our O-Line. For all of the freaking out about that being a weakness it's nice to put that to rest.

CheramieIII 09-12-2016 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 718585)
I am slightly surprised to see two DTs with such high grades considering the trouble we had to stop the run. When I saw Jenkins on the field he seemed to be hustling thou.

Those big runs were to the outside off tackle and if not for that 75 yard run they would've only rushed for 92 yards. Not bad!

We need to control the big plays more. DA needs to calm those guys down. On the winning drive by Oakland they got life from the refs twice on suspect pass interference calls. Those weren't interference. 2 2 point conversions will never happen to us again, NEVER!

The Raiders scored 25 points in the final 18 minutes and this will never happen to us again, NEVER!

So all in all our defense played better than last year but that's not saying much at this point.

lee909 09-12-2016 09:18 AM

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Thought the refs were poor alround. We benefited from a couple of dodgy PI call too

Danno 09-12-2016 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 718619)
Those big runs were to the outside off tackle and if not for that 75 yard run they would've only rushed for 92 yards. Not bad!

We need to control the big plays more. DA needs to calm those guys down. On the winning drive by Oakland they got life from the refs twice on suspect pass interference calls. Those weren't interference. 2 2 point conversions will never happen to us again, NEVER!

The Raiders scored 25 points in the final 18 minutes and this will never happen to us again, NEVER!

So all in all our defense played better than last year but that's not saying much at this point.

True, the big 75 yard run looked like someone missed something. No LB in the hole, DT's both charging outside. Amazing how 1 play can sway peoples opinion so drastically. Without that breakdown, we held them to 3.6. per carry.

Its the DE's that failed to show up Sunday.

K Major 09-12-2016 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 718639)
True, the big 75 yard run looked like someone missed something. No LB in the hole, DT's both charging outside. Amazing how 1 play can sway peoples opinion so drastically. Without that breakdown, we held them to 3.6. per carry.

Its the DE's that failed to show up Sunday.

So did J Byrd. MIA in the middle of the field.

lee909 09-12-2016 09:44 AM

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The defense was good through 3 quarters but at the death the fact we had UDFA out there showed. I do not like this soft coverage we have fallen into for the past few years when in the lead. I know being aggressive can lad to big plays but this soft rubbish just leads to easy catches and teams rolling forward. Just keep being aggressive and force them into making plays not giving them easy outs

Could do with more depth at DT as Fairley is the only pass Rushing DT out the three main guys and its too much for him on his own.

Danno 09-12-2016 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 718584)
New Orleans Saints
Top offensive grades:

QB Drew Brees, 87.1

WR Willie Snead, 82.5

RT Zach Strief, 80.3

C Max Unger, 79.7

WR Brandin Cooks, 78.5

Top defensive grades:

S Kenny Vaccaro, 86.1

DT Nick Fairley, 82.0

DT John Jenkins, 77.2


DE Darryl Tapp, 71.5

CB P.J. Williams, 70.5


:p Yep

lee909 09-12-2016 10:45 AM

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Ive just traded Jenkins on Madden for a 2nd and 7th with the Titans

Lee909 for GM

Euphoria 09-12-2016 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 718610)
I was very impressed by our O-Line. For all of the freaking out about that being a weakness it's nice to put that to rest.

I don't know about that... Bree's took some hits and was dropped on the ground a few times.

Euphoria 09-12-2016 10:55 AM

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I still haven't let the game sink in yet apparently.

I think the Raiders are a lot better this year or I expect them to be so keeping that in my thoughts.

Is it just me or that the Raiders just look bigger than most of our guys. Just seem to over power our D line.

I don't see much improvement over last years team. We can score 100 but when you give up 101 you have no chance.

K Major 09-12-2016 10:56 AM

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Calls were questionable on both sides.

No turnovers, no sacks & no timeouts mid way through the 4th quarter didn't help either.

Euphoria 09-12-2016 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 718610)
I was very impressed by our O-Line. For all of the freaking out about that being a weakness it's nice to put that to rest.

I don't know about that... Bree's took some hits and was dropped on the ground a few times.

ChrisXVI 09-12-2016 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 718661)
I don't know about that... Bree's took some hits and was dropped on the ground a few times.

That's pretty normal for every QB. I don't expect Brees to never be touched.

saintshrimp 09-12-2016 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 718670)
That's pretty normal for every QB. I don't expect Brees to never be touched.

Ive been highly critical of the oline this year.ill admit they played very well yesterday however i will hold my breath about them being that way all year. again they played well yesterday

Euphoria 09-12-2016 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 718670)
That's pretty normal for every QB. I don't expect Brees to never be touched.

NORMAL???

Normal / Averalge gets you 8/8. I am not ok with Normal.

K Major 09-12-2016 12:54 PM

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Guys, guys ...

Trust Payton & Mikey Loomis. They just need to clean up a few things. I mean they did just win the SB last year ... I meant the year before that... sorry I meant the year before that.. I mean the year before that. Or was it the year before that? No I guess it was the year before that ;).


Seriously, Drew Brees is awesome to watch :bng:.

|Mitch| 09-12-2016 12:55 PM

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Say what you want; but our young secondary I thought was impressive... The loss or Breaux may not be a killer, depending on how Moore plays

ChrisXVI 09-12-2016 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 718693)
NORMAL???

Normal / Averalge gets you 8/8. I am not ok with Normal.

That would actually be an improvement!

saintshrimp 09-12-2016 01:01 PM

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[QUOTE=|Mitch|;718696]Say what you want; but our young secondary I thought was impressive.../QUOTE]

I'll agree for the most part.They did not allow a touchdown to the last 5 minutes of the game.I say roll with what we got they didn't play that bad. Let them gain some experience and see what they do till the end of the year who knows we might just find a couple of great starters

K Major 09-12-2016 01:03 PM

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FWIW, RaiderNation averaged 12.4 yards per play in the 4th quarter. 12.4 yards a pop.

You can't win at this level with those stats.

Euphoria 09-12-2016 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 718700)
That would actually be an improvement!

Not for our offensive line!?!?! You can say anything would be an improvement for our D but not the O line.

You'd also have to add in the sack fumble of Bree's - did you forget that play at the begining of the game? That isn't normal.

Euphoria 09-12-2016 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 718696)
Say what you want; but our young secondary I thought was impressive... The loss or Breaux may not be a killer, depending on how Moore plays

What game were you watching???

Promising but not impressive.

K Major 09-12-2016 01:35 PM

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Sorry coach Payton but I'm not buying this.

New Orleans Saints RB C.J. Spiller inactive because of numbers game, coach Sean Payton says | NOLA.com

|Mitch| 09-12-2016 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 718714)
Sorry coach Payton but I'm not buying this.

It makes sense; 6 RBs on the 53 man roster; atleast one is going to sit out every game...

K Major 09-12-2016 01:49 PM

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Sorry but Spiller is way too valuable not to be in the lineup.

Cut Murphy (yes I said it), keep Cadet & Spiller but CJ should be back on punts, kick offs or on 3rd down... something.

dizzle88 09-12-2016 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 718715)
It makes sense; 6 RBs on the 53 man roster; atleast one is going to sit out every game...

How many passes did Cadet drop yesterday?

I counted atleast 3...

K Major 09-12-2016 03:06 PM

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Something is up with Payton and Spiller.

ChrisXVI 09-12-2016 03:15 PM

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One of our guys made their best of the week team:

"Slot receiver: Willie Snead, New Orleans Saints, 86.8

Even what could have been a critical fumble doesn’t keep Snead out of this team, thanks to catching all nine passes thrown his way for 172 yards and a touchdown. Snead was open all day against Oakland, and gained 51 of his yards after the catch."

And one of our guys sadly made their worst of the week team:

"Cornerbacks: Ken Crawley, Saints, 30.4; and Bradley Roby, Broncos, 31.1

Another year, another Saints corner making this team. Crawley was targeted seven times on Sunday and allowed six catches for 64 yards and a touchdown. He didn’t fare well in the run game, either, and missed three tackles on the day. Roby had a tough go of things in coverage, too, allowing five-of-seven completions for 69 yards. While that doesn’t seem too bad, many of those catches were big first downs, and he also missed a tackle in the game."

dizzle88 09-12-2016 03:21 PM

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Our DB's, versus the giants and odell beckham, on the road.....sounds like another loss to me.

Rugby Saint II 09-12-2016 03:22 PM

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I didn't see the DT's play that well. What do I know?

dizzle88 09-12-2016 03:36 PM

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Also, Stephone Anthony played 13 snaps yesterday....13 snaps.

I dont care how many years laurinitus has in the league, Anthony would not have been run over like that!

What the hell is Dennis Allen doing playing Michael Mauti more than Stephone Anthony?

Another promising draft pick that we have forced to switch positions and won't achieve success until he finds a new team because our coaches suck.

K Major 09-12-2016 04:08 PM

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Thought this was worth sharing ... you'll have to clink inside the box to enlarge. James L and Crawley graded the worst on D.

PFF wk. 1 - Album on Imgur

halloween 65 09-12-2016 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 718751)
Our DB's, versus the giants and odell beckham, on the road.....sounds like another loss to me.

Our O-line will have a good test in the Giants game. They held up against Oakland yesterday. Our G's played way better than I saw in preseason. Del Rio give every team the reciepe to beating our D, that didn't take but 3 quarters of the 1st game of the season, just run the ball up the middle and pick on our young cb's.

Danno 09-12-2016 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 718763)
Thought this was worth sharing ... you'll have to clink inside the box to enlarge. James L and Crawley graded the worst on D.

PFF wk. 1 - Album on Imgur

Our edge rushers had a very very bad game. Kruger and Tapp had better games than Jordan. Edebali and Jordan both under 47.

darstep 09-12-2016 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 718695)
Guys, guys ...

Trust Payton & Mikey Loomis. They just need to clean up a few things. I mean they did just win the SB last year ... I meant the year before that... sorry I meant the year before that.. I mean the year before that. Or was it the year before that? No I guess it was the year before that ;).

It's amazing how long ago 2009 was.
Can someone please figure out how to break me off some defense.

halloween 65 09-12-2016 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 718756)
Also, Stephone Anthony played 13 snaps yesterday....13 snaps.

I dont care how many years laurinitus has in the league, Anthony would not have been run over like that!

What the hell is Dennis Allen doing playing Michael Mauti more than Stephone Anthony?

Another promising draft pick that we have forced to switch positions and won't achieve success until he finds a new team because our coaches suck.

Anthony should have never left the MLB spot. I'm not huge on Anthony but he's not terrible in the middle. If he goes back there he'll need help from both OLB but watching Laurintus play he wouldn't do as bad as Laurintus getting trucked like he did.


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