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saintshrimp 09-14-2016 12:09 PM
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those guys would have helped better than fairly launitis and Roman harpers we ended up with even if we only gotten one or two of those guys it would have been nice why didnt we oh wait i know we had 35 million in dead money we couldnt use becuse we screwd up with bad deals we have to pay for

AsylumGuido 09-14-2016 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by saintshrimp (Post 719291)
Malik Jackson oliver Vernon Damon Williams Danny trevathan I can go on if you want
We could have signed any of those if we needed them. We had already picked up Fairley and Laurinaitis who were rated higher and didn't expect to see Anthony and Rankins go down. Dead money did not stand in the way if the Saints had wanted them. Name ONE player that DEAD MONEY kept the Saints from signing.

saintshrimp 09-14-2016 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 719294)
That's not true at all. Malik Jackson, Damon Harrison, Olivier Vernon, Jerrell Freeman and Danny Trevathan were all better D-Line and LB prospects. A team like the Giants had an atrocious defense and actually had cap space so they were able to sign a couple of those guys. Of course we'll just have to wait and see if the investment was worth it for them.
and why did they have cap space of wait for it NO DEAD MONEY

ChrisXVI 09-14-2016 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 719298)
We could have signed any of those if we needed them. We had already picked up Fairley and Laurinaitis who were rated higher and didn't expect to see Anthony and Rankins go down. Dead money did not stand in the way if the Saints had wanted them. Name ONE player that DEAD MONEY kept the Saints from signing.
Fairley and Laurinaitis were not rated higher by anyone. Fairley's on his 3rd team in 3 years and was considered a lazy underachiever. Laurinaitis was considered physically declining and bad in coverage.

saintshrimp 09-14-2016 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 719300)
Fairley and Laurinaitis were not rated higher by anyone. Fairley's on his 3rd team in 3 years and was considered a lazy underachiever. Laurinaitis was considered physically declining and bad in coverage.
thank you

K Major 09-14-2016 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 719294)
A team like the Giants had an atrocious defense and actually had cap space so they were able to sign a couple of those guys. Of course we'll just have to wait and see if the investment was worth it for them.
From what I saw last week against the Cows... money appears to have been well spent. Harrison, Hankins were disruptive against a very good O line.

saintshrimp 09-14-2016 12:18 PM
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i dont know about you but if we got half of the guys i mentioned id be looking for playoff tickers and booking my time off

SmashMouth 09-14-2016 12:20 PM
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That's a lot of dumping in one thread...

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neugey 09-14-2016 12:25 PM
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I'm not saying the Saints could anticipate all these situations not working out, but paying out all this guaranteed money is hurting the culture of the team.

When it comes to getting our quality younger guys signed, the message has been sent - that it is all about getting that big payday and then hey whatever happens happens enjoy your money bro. It's not about having a two-way street, that we will pay you decently but if it doesn't work out then you're gone and so is the money.

It doesn't foster a culture of accountability, when we are so cavalier about throwing our money away to players who are no longer contributing to our team, or worse, contributing to someone else's team rather than ours and we are paying them for it. Yes, I understand there is some of this in sports, it's a nature of doing business and other teams have dead money too. But taking that practice too far is having its ramifications and it is happening right now.

dizzle88 09-14-2016 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 719300)
Fairley and Laurinaitis were not rated higher by anyone. Fairley's on his 3rd team in 3 years and was considered a lazy underachiever. Laurinaitis was considered physically declining and bad in coverage.
He's bad at tackling too, not just bad in coverage

Couldn't count on one hand the amount of times he got drove back by running backs last week.

But hey, at least we didnt move the first saints rookie LB that showed some promise to make room for him.....wait a minute...yeah we did.


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