Fire Mickey Loomis? Don't waste your breath with the question
 

So you want Mickey Loomis fired, huh?

Your spitfire and venom toward the longtime New Orleans Saints general manager came out loud and clear after the team released once-touted running back C.J. Spiller on Tuesday.

The transaction represented another personnel fumble by the front office. Fans are fed up. Fans are calling for Loomis' head over the increasingly habitual misjudgments on players in the last couple of years.

Save your breath. Loomis isn't going anywhere.

I sat down with Saints owner Tom Benson for a candid interview in his office in late July at The Greenbrier during training camp. I asked Benson what was the most important thing he's done for this team's success during his 30-plus years of ownership.

Without hesitation, Benson said, "Moving Mickey up to be the general manager."

That's all you need to know about Loomis' job security. I know this fact won't sit well with some of you. In the terms of so many NFLers, it is what it is.

So don't waste your energy calling for Loomis to be fired.

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What is more than fair is questioning the moves made by the Saints. Not only can you question them, but feel free to pan many of them.

Loomis isn't oblivious to what's been happening. He's not above admitting the Saints have dropped the ball more often than not within free agency and in the NFL draft as opposed to hitting it big with picks and March acquisitions.

The Saints GM isn't alone in making these personnel decisions. Sean Payton plays a very heavy role in this.

A HEAVY role.

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Expect a flurry of Holder articles on how great the drafts were at the start. How great the finds of Snead/Armstead were (and they were). The man knows who puts the butter on his bread

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Th latest run on free agents has been abysmal to be sure. They're nothing like the guys we picked up towards the end of the 2000's. At least the Saints have been swinging and missing rather than not swinging at all.

Before Loomis, I spent my whole life wishing that the organization would at least try to bring in talented players to make the team better. Before Loomis, everyone considered Benson a cheap owner that didn't care about winning as long as he had a professional sports team to show off to the world.


I really hope that Benson doesn't listen to the fans on this one. Keep the guy that helped bring a championship to a fan base that desperately needed it.

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It is what it is.

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He should've asked Benson if Loomis was an investor would he stick with him!

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The Saints have some major issues with how the talent they are going after fits into what they are doing, and a lot of bad luck on top of that. I'm not ready to blame Loomis just yet, but something has to give. I think part of the problem in recent years was the roster was so loaded they could take chances in drafting players who weren't necessarily ready but had very high potential. As you all know now the roster isn't nearly as talented and a lot of those picks did not make it.

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Benson would say that Loomis is the best decision he has made, considering he fired Randy Mueller for no reason. No good reason, for sure.

He was the guy that brought in Jeff Blake, Joe Horn, Norman Hand, Charlie Clemons and Darrin Smith, among others, and drafted Darren Howard. Even Aaron Brooks was good for a little while, and Mueller got him for basically nothing. Those moves built that team that ended the playoff drought in 2000. He also later drafted Deuce and believed in him enough to trade Ricky Williams and flip him for what ended up being two first rounders. The new regime was responsible for squandering those. Heck, he and his staff even found Marc Bulger, who would become a pretty decent QB. Just not for the Saints.

But he gets fired over Benson's ego, I guess, and up steps Mickey Loomis. The team proceeds to suck for another 4 years before Sean and Drew got here. They make a flurry of moves that bring surprising success, and in year four, after ups and downs, they win the Super Bowl. Awesome. Since '09, Other than bringing in Darren Sproles, and very few draft picks that would pan out, like Cam Jordan, they did little to add to that original core. We watched those guys get old or injured, and have now had 3 losing season in the last 4. The team went from finding guys off the radar and making a couple of semi-splash moves, to just trying to make the big splash moves and getting burned.

What's my point? There was a small window of truly successful management and personnel decisions that fortunately, for all of us, led to a championship. Loomis and Payton have been far from geniuses in making any kind of decision. When Payton is on, he's one of the best offensive minds, no question. But he's got issues with evaluating talent, and Loomis isn't doing anything to help. He should have more knowledge to advise on such matters before he signs a check.

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With Mickey running the place who dat not calm.

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Wow! One game into the season and fans are already calling for Loomis' job? Let the team play! The season isn't over. Geezer Louise...... tough crowd. Who Dat! Baby!!! In Loomis we trust!

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Maybe it's just Duncan...:confused:

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I think Sean is great at judging talent. As long as that talent is offensive and fits his playbook.

Defense not so much.

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Its not one game though. Its a record of 33-34 since 2012
I don't think its unreasonable for questions being asked

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You can ask all you want, but it will fall on deaf ears. There isn't a front office in the league that cares what a few fans want. Not a single one.

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And where have i said they will listen to what i want.
For as much as you moan about being criticising the team you come out with the same answers "The team wont listen". We know they wont,its does not mean its not something the fans will not or should not discuss.

Also yes the front office will listen when the fans start turning.
Fans have a far bigger impact than some people want to admit.
Im love growing up was Liverpool football club and when we were bought by Tom Hicks(Texas Rangers) and George Gillet(Montreal Canadians) they leveraged the cost of the buy out against the team and were making the team play for itself. The club started to move backwards but when it was time for them to renew the loan with the banks the fans stood forward and emailed every single bank the tried to do business with to the point that all the banks servers collsapsed over the hundred of thousands of emails they received,every bank walked away forcing the Royal Bank of Scotland who owned the debt to sell the clubs from under them to the owners of the Boston Red Soxs.

Now im obviously ot saying that is relevant here but there is a case for Loomis role to be discussed. Im not saying he should be give the boot at the moment but i do think that he has too much on his plate trying to run both the Saints and the Pelicans. Both jobs are year round and there is not enough time in the day to be trying to do both jobs.

As i said on another thread,this isnt a case of fans crying and whinging on the back of a bad season,that will happen. This is a case of a team going into regression since 2012,they have lost more games than they have won since 2012. There is only so long you can live of a superbowl and great spell from the mid 2000 to 2011. Maybe i see things differently as i didnt grow up a Saints fans and my first love was Soccer and one of the most succesful teams in the game both ationally and in European competition. There is one thing winning teams do constantly and is not sit on there past successes,its is what makes them successful. Our greatest manager once said "First is first, second is nowhere" and its true. Nobody remembers runners up,nobody remembers the plucky underdogs that had a great couple of years and are happy to just make it to the playoffs. There is a reason certain teams are always there or there abouts come crunch time,its gets embedded in their DNA as a player that winning the division isnt good eough,winning the AFC/NFC championships isnt good enough.

Being 33-34 since September 2012 isnt good enough

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And compare that to the New England Patriots who Sean Payton gushes over at any given moment and tries to emulate.

Whilst we have been 33-34 since 2012 with 1 playoff appearance, the patriots have;

48-16 record, 4 playoff appearances and 1 superbowl win.

Lets be real, Payton spends that long trying to copy another teams blueprint he's completely forgotten how the team became successful from 2009-2011.

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It's not just FA, this team sucks on draft day. Coaches, look for Spags to have a pretty good year.

This team lacks talent in the front office, coaching staff and defense.

It's a good thing they don't pick the Saintsations.

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You run it into the ground, dude. If you stated it and moved on, then fine. But you, and others, bring up the exact same tub of crap every day in every thread. Over and over and over again. Believe whatever you want, but what is with the constant griping about the same things nonstop? We've heard you. Fine. Move on and find another tune to hum.

:rolleyes:

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lol. You just refuse to get it. Nobody cares who's listening, or if you approve. It's all about discussion. I'm sure you've never ever had anything to say about something you see or hear about an athlete, organization, tv celebrity or politician... Knowing full well that no one was listening or cared about what you had to say. Does that stop you from talking about it? Of course not.

The Saints are fortunate to have a fan base that supports them, no matter how much you like to complain about said fans. If attendance plummeted like it would in a lot of other places when the team is losing, I guarantee you the team would listen to the fans.

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But there is no worry about fans abandoning the Saints games in droves because the vast majority of fans really don't care about what a few are constantly griping about.

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You see, I'm not complaining about the 99.9% of Saints fans. I'm only complaining about those who ***** and moan about the same things over and over and over again, in every thread, on every day. What is your reason for *****ing about the same things nonstop if you don't care that nobody is listening?

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It's not a few people. Get a grip on reality. MOST fans have a lot to say about what their favorite team is doing. My own Dad is in his 60's and is WAY more relaxed about what goes on with his teams than I am, these days, but he will talk at length about the lack of competence in evaluating talent, play-calling. Whatever the subject might be. Everywhere I go, people are talking about things like that.

You have it stuck in your head that there is just a tiny minority of people who have a dissenting opinion, and that we're walking around with smoke coming off the tops of our heads, from pure rage.

The truth is, I get on here and say whatever I have to say and then when I go back to my normal daily activities, I don't really think about it at all. Fans aren't going to leave this team, because our fans are loyal. It isn't because they're all blissfully ignorant of what's going on.

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Nobody is *****ing. People are commenting on the article. People will talk every day about whatever is posted. Maybe if there were different stories, people would talk about different things. But then, you'd complain about that too.

Why do we talk about things when the team isn't listening? Because we're talking amongst ourselves. Isn't that understood? Did you think your Loomis-loving comments every day were being tracked by the team?

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I'm nearing the Fire Loomis stage, I already think we should get rid of Payton and keep Carmichael to run the offense, our O has always been better when Carmichael runs it.

By getting rid of Loomis and Payton we could probably take the team in a direction that makes sense, not just signing players to multi year contracts and releasing them the next year.

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Seems like you ***** and moan about the same things in every thread...

I can't recall the last time you posted something on or about the team, you only post about other individuals.

I'm not one that thinks everyone should be fired, or the team should cut 90% of its players. I am generally positive about the team, but it's hard not to notice your constant backhanded comments to others, about the same things on every thread...

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Let us not forget this dip$hipt that got run out of Miami as a GM. Now he is one of our scouts.

Jeff Ireland is an American football executive who currently serves as a college scout for the New Orleans Saints of the National Football League (NFL). In his past roles, Ireland was the Miami Dolphins' general manager from 2008 to January 2014; a Dallas Cowboys executive prior to that; and, a scout for the Kansas City Chiefs before that. Before his career as a football executive, Ireland was an assistant football coach at the University of North Texas, and a player at Baylor University. Ireland was also a childhood ball boy for the Chicago Bears. And also known to give hand jobs from brown paper bags on street corners.

From Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Ireland

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I like Jeff Ireland, our drafts have been better with him since he started here;

Andrus Peat - now a starter
Stephone Anthony - starter
PJ Williams - starter
Damian Swann - solid depth
Tyler Davison - starter
Michael Thomas - kid is going to be a star
Sheldon Rankins - would be a starter if not for injury
Kikaha - same as Rankins
Vonn Bell - in my opinion should take Byrds spot immediately

Before Jeff Ireland we had the 2014 draft, Brandin Cooks is the only remaining player
2013 - Vaccaro, Jenkins and armstead are still here.

Seems to me like we have had much better success as far as draft picks go when Ireland showed up.