My radical solution to jump start the Saints and make the playoffs

dizzle88 · 09-19-2016, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

How in the hell do you come up with that?

The fact that Sean Payton, his decision making and not preparing the players correctly is what's holding us back.

Signing Fleener for 5 years and 36 mil
Cutting Spiller when Cadet is awful
Putting Brandon Coleman in the game when he's useless

Look at the patriots, 2-0 and missing their starting QB and best receiver.

Euphoria · 09-19-2016, 03:40 PM

Cutting spiller is a wash... he wouldn't be available to play because of injuries.

neugey · 09-19-2016, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

The fact that Sean Payton, his decision making and not preparing the players correctly is what's holding us back.

Signing Fleener for 5 years and 36 mil
Cutting Spiller when Cadet is awful
Putting Brandon Coleman in the game when he's useless

Look at the patriots, 2-0 and missing their starting QB and best receiver.

The grass is always going to look greener elsewhere when we are 0-2. But you have to consider things look worse because of what had been done before -

coaching Colston into a ProBowl caliber receiver
finding and coaching up Grubbs, Nicks and Evans on the OL
finding and coaching up Lance Moore, PT and Ivory on the offense
Fujita, Vilma, Sharper - balled out for us completely and became leaders
Shockey - playing fairly well and adding spirit and aggression to the team

The production and fire has ebbed off. Outside of Snead, we are no longer overachievers. That's why, as fans, we are starting to scratch our heads. It's not the same - Payton needs to find a way to reinvent his approach, or things could go pretty badly.

Euphoria · 09-19-2016, 03:41 PM

My question is:

Is this the first official our season is over with where do we begin now threads?

dizzle88 · 09-19-2016, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

The grass is always going to look greener elsewhere when we are 0-2. But you have to consider things look worse because of what had been done before -

coaching Colston into a ProBowl caliber receiver
finding and coaching up Grubbs, Nicks and Evans on the OL
finding and coaching up Lance Moore, PT and Ivory on the offense
Fujita, Vilma, Sharper - balled out for us completely and became leaders
Shockey - playing fairly well and adding spirit and aggression to the team

The production and fire has ebbed off. Outside of Snead, we are no longer overachievers. That's why, as fans, we are starting to scratch our heads. It's not the same - Payton needs to find a way to reinvent his approach, or things could go pretty badly.

Very valid points, however that was all done on or before 2009, honestly what has Payton done the last 3 years other than move us to greenbrier and lead us to 7-9 seasons.

Rell&Gold · 09-19-2016, 04:05 PM

I say start Manhertz feel like he would make the most out of his opportunities , liked what he showed in the Pre-season

Rell&Gold · 09-19-2016, 04:07 PM

Actually to me looked better than Fleener,

RaginCajun83 · 09-19-2016, 04:23 PM

More playing time for Stephone Anthony, I'm putting this stupid decision squarely on Payton

CheramieIII · 09-19-2016, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Problem with the Run and Shoot is Time Possession and the stress of putting your defense right back on the field...

Kinda the problem we've had these past few years already...

With the exception of days like today, we've never had a problem going up and down the field...

We've got to be able to pound the defense with the rock so there soft in the 4th quarter (sort of like ours has been the past few years)...

Much better plan in place today, problem was we had individuals (e.g. Fleener, Coleman) who failed to use good technique and so failed to do their part...

Ask Warren Moon about the Run and Shoot and that terrible playoff loss to the Bills...

I agree with time of possession and it's key for us now. We have the RB's necessary to pound everyone and keep the game slow. Brees can still pass 35 times a game and throw a couple down field but he must be more of a general to control the game and not get everyone in a hurry.

Lutz missed a kick in both games so far and like was said earlier the Brees fumble coupled with those misses killed us but Lutz is growing at his position and we shouldn't put so much pressure on the newby to win games.

Rugby Saint II · 09-22-2016, 12:40 PM

Payton isn't the problem. The problem is no one is there to reign him in.

09-19-2016, 03:04 PM	#11
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: My radical solution to jump start the Saints and make the playoffs Originally Posted by Budsdrinker How in the hell do you come up with that? The fact that Sean Payton, his decision making and not preparing the players correctly is what's holding us back. Signing Fleener for 5 years and 36 mil Cutting Spiller when Cadet is awful Putting Brandon Coleman in the game when he's useless Look at the patriots, 2-0 and missing their starting QB and best receiver.

09-19-2016, 03:40 PM	#12
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: My radical solution to jump start the Saints and make the playoffs Cutting spiller is a wash... he wouldn't be available to play because of injuries.

09-19-2016, 03:41 PM	#13
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,717 Blog Entries: 13	Re: My radical solution to jump start the Saints and make the playoffs Originally Posted by dizzle88 The fact that Sean Payton, his decision making and not preparing the players correctly is what's holding us back. Signing Fleener for 5 years and 36 mil Cutting Spiller when Cadet is awful Putting Brandon Coleman in the game when he's useless Look at the patriots, 2-0 and missing their starting QB and best receiver. The grass is always going to look greener elsewhere when we are 0-2. But you have to consider things look worse because of what had been done before - coaching Colston into a ProBowl caliber receiver finding and coaching up Grubbs, Nicks and Evans on the OL finding and coaching up Lance Moore, PT and Ivory on the offense Fujita, Vilma, Sharper - balled out for us completely and became leaders Shockey - playing fairly well and adding spirit and aggression to the team The production and fire has ebbed off. Outside of Snead, we are no longer overachievers. That's why, as fans, we are starting to scratch our heads. It's not the same - Payton needs to find a way to reinvent his approach, or things could go pretty badly. AlaskaSaints likes this.

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Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: My radical solution to jump start the Saints and make the playoffs My question is: Is this the first official our season is over with where do we begin now threads?

09-19-2016, 03:54 PM	#15
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,359	Re: My radical solution to jump start the Saints and make the playoffs Originally Posted by neugey The grass is always going to look greener elsewhere when we are 0-2. But you have to consider things look worse because of what had been done before - coaching Colston into a ProBowl caliber receiver finding and coaching up Grubbs, Nicks and Evans on the OL finding and coaching up Lance Moore, PT and Ivory on the offense Fujita, Vilma, Sharper - balled out for us completely and became leaders Shockey - playing fairly well and adding spirit and aggression to the team The production and fire has ebbed off. Outside of Snead, we are no longer overachievers. That's why, as fans, we are starting to scratch our heads. It's not the same - Payton needs to find a way to reinvent his approach, or things could go pretty badly. Very valid points, however that was all done on or before 2009, honestly what has Payton done the last 3 years other than move us to greenbrier and lead us to 7-9 seasons.

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CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,487 Blog Entries: 3	Re: My radical solution to jump start the Saints and make the playoffs Originally Posted by jeanpierre Problem with the Run and Shoot is Time Possession and the stress of putting your defense right back on the field... Kinda the problem we've had these past few years already... With the exception of days like today, we've never had a problem going up and down the field... We've got to be able to pound the defense with the rock so there soft in the 4th quarter (sort of like ours has been the past few years)... Much better plan in place today, problem was we had individuals (e.g. Fleener, Coleman) who failed to use good technique and so failed to do their part... Ask Warren Moon about the Run and Shoot and that terrible playoff loss to the Bills... I agree with time of possession and it's key for us now. We have the RB's necessary to pound everyone and keep the game slow. Brees can still pass 35 times a game and throw a couple down field but he must be more of a general to control the game and not get everyone in a hurry. Lutz missed a kick in both games so far and like was said earlier the Brees fumble coupled with those misses killed us but Lutz is growing at his position and we shouldn't put so much pressure on the newby to win games.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: My radical solution to jump start the Saints and make the playoffs Payton isn't the problem. The problem is no one is there to reign him in.

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