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C'man I still rooting for 13-3!!!

Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016?
 

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Only hope I see is a hight draft pick for 2017

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Bro, I hear you and :drink: Nothing wrong with trying to have hope. But man, I look at the schedule and I am finding it hard to see a win. I know any given Sunday but I just don't see it. I can almost guarantee we will be 0-4. Chargers have a very improved O line and there D is decent with good DB's. Plus we will be on the road, so you know our O will not be at the same level as they are in the dome.

Bottom line is, I am trying to have hope also but it is getting harder and harder to hold on to it.

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In 2014 the Saints had the #1 offense in the league.
In 2015 the Saints had the #2 offense in the league.
How "inefficient" are they if they're a top 2 offense in the league?
And you're saying if the top offense in the league is better than ours, it's "embarrassing"?

And as for the offensive line, they has allowed only 4 sacks so far this season. Only five teams have fewer. 10 teams have already doubled that or more. And the Saints, as a team, are averaging 4.2 yards per carry. Only 8 teams are averaging more than that. The teams passer rating (Drew) is 105.1 4th best in the league. The offensive line is a lot closer to being great than it is to being bad by any realistic definition.

Again, if you're "frustrated" or "embarrassed" by what the offense is doing, you're in for a lot of disappointment in your NFL expectations.

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No offense but that stat is a load of rubbish. Gaining yards doesnt win games. In 2014 the Saints offense was 9th and in 15 8th by points scored. That is all a offense should be judge on

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I do.:cool:

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No offense taken. Yards are the usual metric by which both offenses and defenses are measured but even going by points scored those offenses are in the top third of the league. So I'll stick to my point, to be "embarrassed" or "frustrated" by being in the top third is unrealistic at best.

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I don't see more than 4 wins. This defense is childish. Makes you wonder how they can look at themselves in the mirror. It's like they have something else on their minds, other than football. How can pride about yourself, not come into individual performance? Good Lord, this team is terrible. Call me what you will, but this team is a gimped horse.

vs Oakland L 35-34

@ New York L 16-13

vs Atlanta L 45-32

@ San Diego LOSS

BYE WEEK At least we wont lose

vs Carolina LOSS

@ Kansas City LOSS

vs Seattle UHHH LOSS

@ San Francisco EVEN

vs Denver EVEN

@ Carolina LOSS

vs Los Angeles LOSS; WE WON'T STOP GURLEY
vs Detroit EVEN

@ Tampa Bay Winston will be on a roll; LOSS
@ Arizona LOSS

vs Tampa Bay EVEN

@ AtlantaEVEN

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This isn't fantasy football. Offensive rank is based on yards alone. We threw the ball 54 times last night.... You find me a team that throws the ball 50 plus times and doesn't put up at least 400 yards. Defenses are going to give up yards in this league, with the the rules, especially when the ball is being thrown that much. That extends the game tremendously. Running the ball runs clock.

And yeah, I know what the team is averaging in yards per rush. So why do we abandon it when it is actually working, and go back to dumping the ball off to guys who are being swarmed over? Frustrating, is it not?

We have not been elite in scoring points for a few years now. Above average, yes, but with the amount of money invested in Drew and his toys it's really not near what it should be.

And yes, anytime you have the Falcons ranking ahead of you, it's embarrassing. They have a QB known for choking, and a coaching staff that isn't exactly known for it's offensive prowess.

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You make is sound like throwing for 400 yards is some easy thing to do. Peyton Manning averaged it once per season, Drew's done it about the same. Dan Marino did it 15 times in his career and after that no quarterback has double digits. If teams could plan on 400 yards in the air, they'd do it.

Drew Brees 17
Peyton Manning 17
Dan Marino 15
Carson Palmer 8
Philip Rivers 8
Ben Roethlisberger 8
Dan Fouts 7
Joe Montana 7
Warren Moon 7
Eli Manning 7
Matthew Stafford 7
Tom Brady 7

As far as time of possession goes, we won the time of possession last night. We killed the Giants at time of possession, and the Raiders beat us at time of possession by less than a minute. For the season, we're up in time of possession by over 9 minutes. TOP is not an issue with this team.

Where "Drew and his toys" are concerned, did you see the stat they put up during the game last night? No quarterback has achieved what Drew has done in any ten year span in the history of the NFL and really, nobody was even close. In his entire time with the Saints, Drew has never had a pro-bowl wide receiver. And how much are we paying for his "toys"? Cooks, Snead and Thomas's salary's are just a little north of $2million a year COMBINED. Throw in Fleener's salary and the team is still paying less than $4 million a year. The Saints have $7 million available in cap space so it's not like "Drew and his toys" are keeping the Saints from picking up a stud free agent, if there were any available.

And finally, yes, the Falcons are known for their offensive prowess. They came into this game leading the league. And they've been very good for years now. As a matter of fact, the Falcons haven't had a below average offense since 2007 when Bobby Petrino bailed out on them mid season.

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A very familiar story.
And Brees doesnt even have a Doug Atkins or Tommy Myers.
--- Things never really change.

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Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016?
 

no.
we're done.
we got nothing.
same sh** different year.

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That's what you get when you get an offensive minded coach who apparently doesn't know **** about defense; wanting to have his hand in everything...

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Drew toys are not just his receivers but his offensive line too. While we are on the cheap at guard at the moment through most of his time its been big money spent.

We need to be making the most of the WR deals we currently have though. If Snead keeps putting up his numbers he will get a big deal (and deserve it)

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Lots of hope. Some of these kids don't suck, and the time they're getting is valuable. Look it's not a perfect world. Gotta make some lemonade here people.

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Pretty much.

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what's not based in reality? I just gave you the actual math of the situation.

they will be 1-3 as easy as pie..

i've never made pie.probably not easy for me..but you get what I mean.

and I'd rather have Atlanta beat Panthers anyway.

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he has a lot in the past couple years yet people say there is something wrong with ME if I post about it

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400 total yards, Utah. Not passing yards. When you throw it that much, you will have yards. It's all about efficiency.

And I don't if we "won" time of possession. If you are throwing the ball 50 plus times you are extending the game, and you are usually losing. We were having success running the ball. I'm not saying to reverse things and run it 50 times, but try to make it a little more even. With as bad as this defense is right now (whether or not you want to blame that on injuries) you have to take advantage of every possession to not only score, but run as much time off that clock as possible.

Payton failed in his game plan from that perspective. You'd think I were blaming this whole mess on drew by reading your comments. I didn't say one thing about his ability not being there. I said he's TOO GOOD for us to be running this predictable offense. And yes, I saw the stats on Drew over the last decade. We're talking about recent history with this team, not Drew's career accomplishments. Plus you gave me a bunch of QB's who played a long time ago in a different era.

And I disagree about the Falcons. That offense has been known for Julio Jones and Roddy White. It has never been an elite offense. You are telling what they are ranked after 4 whole games. They have a defensive minded head coach and a coordinator who hasn't previously shown to be all that great. Yet they looked a million times more creative than the Saints last night. And that, again, is a bit of an embarrassment.

As far as the cost of Drew and his "toys", he's making around 25 million a year alone, by himself. But the cost isn't simply dollars. They spent a first round pick on Cooks and Ingram, a second round choice on Thomas, plus the over pay for Fleener. They spent good money on Spiller, only to cut him a year later. There has been a significant investment in offense. And at some point they'll have to pay Cooks and Snead if they keep performing. But they haven't done enough to fix the offensive line and the play calling is not taking full advantage of what we have.

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Well, if you're saying your "frustrated" or "embarrassed" by this offense, then I still say your expectations are too high, but I guess that's just my opinion.

If your saying you think the Saints should run the ball more, then I agree with you. I love nothing more than to watch the offense physically impose their will on the other team by running the ball down their throats, play after play. But with the defense this team has fielded over the two and a half years, unfortunately, the games have dictated our offensive options rather than the other way around. The team seems like it always has to score points in bunches just to stay in the games.

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They only needed 17 points last week and couldn't do it. And I know that when you DO give up a lot of points you have to play keep up. But you still have to have some kind of balance. It's not like they were behind three touchdowns all night. They didn't fall significantly behind until the pick 6. They could have controlled the ball more, but instead kept passing, and going with those telegraphed short passes.

Embarrassing is being outplayed by the Falcons. That was the only part where I said embarrassing. If you don't agree with that, then I might say your expectations are too low. I've been accused of not having high enough expectations, so I guess there's no winning around here. But that's ok, I didn't come here to win brownie points. I've got my opinions, and that's the way it is.

I have a right to be frustrated with a lot of things as a fan. Whether anyone agrees doesn't really change anything, but I stand firmly behind my statements.