0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016?

Utah_Saint · 09-27-2016, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

This isn't fantasy football. Offensive rank is based on yards alone. We threw the ball 54 times last night.... You find me a team that throws the ball 50 plus times and doesn't put up at least 400 yards. Defenses are going to give up yards in this league, with the the rules, especially when the ball is being thrown that much. That extends the game tremendously. Running the ball runs clock.

And yeah, I know what the team is averaging in yards per rush. So why do we abandon it when it is actually working, and go back to dumping the ball off to guys who are being swarmed over? Frustrating, is it not?

We have not been elite in scoring points for a few years now. Above average, yes, but with the amount of money invested in Drew and his toys it's really not near what it should be.

And yes, anytime you have the Falcons ranking ahead of you, it's embarrassing. They have a QB known for choking, and a coaching staff that isn't exactly known for it's offensive prowess.

You make is sound like throwing for 400 yards is some easy thing to do. Peyton Manning averaged it once per season, Drew's done it about the same. Dan Marino did it 15 times in his career and after that no quarterback has double digits. If teams could plan on 400 yards in the air, they'd do it.

Drew Brees 17
Peyton Manning 17
Dan Marino 15
Carson Palmer 8
Philip Rivers 8
Ben Roethlisberger 8
Dan Fouts 7
Joe Montana 7
Warren Moon 7
Eli Manning 7
Matthew Stafford 7
Tom Brady 7

As far as time of possession goes, we won the time of possession last night. We killed the Giants at time of possession, and the Raiders beat us at time of possession by less than a minute. For the season, we're up in time of possession by over 9 minutes. TOP is not an issue with this team.

Where "Drew and his toys" are concerned, did you see the stat they put up during the game last night? No quarterback has achieved what Drew has done in any ten year span in the history of the NFL and really, nobody was even close. In his entire time with the Saints, Drew has never had a pro-bowl wide receiver. And how much are we paying for his "toys"? Cooks, Snead and Thomas's salary's are just a little north of $2million a year COMBINED. Throw in Fleener's salary and the team is still paying less than $4 million a year. The Saints have $7 million available in cap space so it's not like "Drew and his toys" are keeping the Saints from picking up a stud free agent, if there were any available.

And finally, yes, the Falcons are known for their offensive prowess. They came into this game leading the league. And they've been very good for years now. As a matter of fact, the Falcons haven't had a below average offense since 2007 when Bobby Petrino bailed out on them mid season.

skymike · 09-27-2016, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

... I just feel bad for Brees, we have wasted several years of this first ballot HOFer's career with poor defensive play.

A very familiar story.
And Brees doesnt even have a Doug Atkins or Tommy Myers.
--- Things never really change.

skymike · 09-27-2016, 08:46 PM

no.
we're done.
we got nothing.
same sh** different year.

|Mitch| · 09-27-2016, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I just feel bad for Brees, we have wasted several years of this first ballot HOFer's career with poor defensive play.

That's what you get when you get an offensive minded coach who apparently doesn't know **** about defense; wanting to have his hand in everything...

lee909 · 09-27-2016, 08:54 PM

Drew toys are not just his receivers but his offensive line too. While we are on the cheap at guard at the moment through most of his time its been big money spent.

We need to be making the most of the WR deals we currently have though. If Snead keeps putting up his numbers he will get a big deal (and deserve it)

saintfan · 09-27-2016, 08:57 PM

Lots of hope. Some of these kids don't suck, and the time they're getting is valuable. Look it's not a perfect world. Gotta make some lemonade here people.

K Major · 09-27-2016, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

no.
we're done.
we got nothing.
same sh** different year.

Pretty much.

A.8Manning · 09-27-2016, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

First this is not based in reality, but even I were to pretend it was, we are two games back not one, and we haven't won a game

what's not based in reality? I just gave you the actual math of the situation.

they will be 1-3 as easy as pie..

i've never made pie.probably not easy for me..but you get what I mean.

and I'd rather have Atlanta beat Panthers anyway.

The Dude · 09-27-2016, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

ass kicked at home with all the advantages for a team to win. Nope we are done. Can never get that day back, and SP looked drunk in the presser.

he has a lot in the past couple years yet people say there is something wrong with ME if I post about it

burningmetal · 09-27-2016, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

You make is sound like throwing for 400 yards is some easy thing to do. Peyton Manning averaged it once per season, Drew's done it about the same. Dan Marino did it 15 times in his career and after that no quarterback has double digits. If teams could plan on 400 yards in the air, they'd do it.

Drew Brees 17
Peyton Manning 17
Dan Marino 15
Carson Palmer 8
Philip Rivers 8
Ben Roethlisberger 8
Dan Fouts 7
Joe Montana 7
Warren Moon 7
Eli Manning 7
Matthew Stafford 7
Tom Brady 7

As far as time of possession goes, we won the time of possession last night. We killed the Giants at time of possession, and the Raiders beat us at time of possession by less than a minute. For the season, we're up in time of possession by over 9 minutes. TOP is not an issue with this team.

Where "Drew and his toys" are concerned, did you see the stat they put up during the game last night? No quarterback has achieved what Drew has done in any ten year span in the history of the NFL and really, nobody was even close. In his entire time with the Saints, Drew has never had a pro-bowl wide receiver. And how much are we paying for his "toys"? Cooks, Snead and Thomas's salary's are just a little north of $2million a year COMBINED. Throw in Fleener's salary and the team is still paying less than $4 million a year. The Saints have $7 million available in cap space so it's not like "Drew and his toys" are keeping the Saints from picking up a stud free agent, if there were any available.

And finally, yes, the Falcons are known for their offensive prowess. They came into this game leading the league. And they've been very good for years now. As a matter of fact, the Falcons haven't had a below average offense since 2007 when Bobby Petrino bailed out on them mid season.

400 total yards, Utah. Not passing yards. When you throw it that much, you will have yards. It's all about efficiency.

And I don't if we "won" time of possession. If you are throwing the ball 50 plus times you are extending the game, and you are usually losing. We were having success running the ball. I'm not saying to reverse things and run it 50 times, but try to make it a little more even. With as bad as this defense is right now (whether or not you want to blame that on injuries) you have to take advantage of every possession to not only score, but run as much time off that clock as possible.

Payton failed in his game plan from that perspective. You'd think I were blaming this whole mess on drew by reading your comments. I didn't say one thing about his ability not being there. I said he's TOO GOOD for us to be running this predictable offense. And yes, I saw the stats on Drew over the last decade. We're talking about recent history with this team, not Drew's career accomplishments. Plus you gave me a bunch of QB's who played a long time ago in a different era.

And I disagree about the Falcons. That offense has been known for Julio Jones and Roddy White. It has never been an elite offense. You are telling what they are ranked after 4 whole games. They have a defensive minded head coach and a coordinator who hasn't previously shown to be all that great. Yet they looked a million times more creative than the Saints last night. And that, again, is a bit of an embarrassment.

As far as the cost of Drew and his "toys", he's making around 25 million a year alone, by himself. But the cost isn't simply dollars. They spent a first round pick on Cooks and Ingram, a second round choice on Thomas, plus the over pay for Fleener. They spent good money on Spiller, only to cut him a year later. There has been a significant investment in offense. And at some point they'll have to pay Cooks and Snead if they keep performing. But they haven't done enough to fix the offensive line and the play calling is not taking full advantage of what we have.

09-27-2016, 07:27 PM	#51
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by burningmetal This isn't fantasy football. Offensive rank is based on yards alone. We threw the ball 54 times last night.... You find me a team that throws the ball 50 plus times and doesn't put up at least 400 yards. Defenses are going to give up yards in this league, with the the rules, especially when the ball is being thrown that much. That extends the game tremendously. Running the ball runs clock. And yeah, I know what the team is averaging in yards per rush. So why do we abandon it when it is actually working, and go back to dumping the ball off to guys who are being swarmed over? Frustrating, is it not? We have not been elite in scoring points for a few years now. Above average, yes, but with the amount of money invested in Drew and his toys it's really not near what it should be. And yes, anytime you have the Falcons ranking ahead of you, it's embarrassing. They have a QB known for choking, and a coaching staff that isn't exactly known for it's offensive prowess. You make is sound like throwing for 400 yards is some easy thing to do. Peyton Manning averaged it once per season, Drew's done it about the same. Dan Marino did it 15 times in his career and after that no quarterback has double digits. If teams could plan on 400 yards in the air, they'd do it. Drew Brees 17 Peyton Manning 17 Dan Marino 15 Carson Palmer 8 Philip Rivers 8 Ben Roethlisberger 8 Dan Fouts 7 Joe Montana 7 Warren Moon 7 Eli Manning 7 Matthew Stafford 7 Tom Brady 7 As far as time of possession goes, we won the time of possession last night. We killed the Giants at time of possession, and the Raiders beat us at time of possession by less than a minute. For the season, we're up in time of possession by over 9 minutes. TOP is not an issue with this team. Where "Drew and his toys" are concerned, did you see the stat they put up during the game last night? No quarterback has achieved what Drew has done in any ten year span in the history of the NFL and really, nobody was even close. In his entire time with the Saints, Drew has never had a pro-bowl wide receiver. And how much are we paying for his "toys"? Cooks, Snead and Thomas's salary's are just a little north of $2million a year COMBINED. Throw in Fleener's salary and the team is still paying less than $4 million a year. The Saints have $7 million available in cap space so it's not like "Drew and his toys" are keeping the Saints from picking up a stud free agent, if there were any available. And finally, yes, the Falcons are known for their offensive prowess. They came into this game leading the league. And they've been very good for years now. As a matter of fact, the Falcons haven't had a below average offense since 2007 when Bobby Petrino bailed out on them mid season.

09-27-2016, 08:41 PM	#52
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by dizzle88 ... I just feel bad for Brees, we have wasted several years of this first ballot HOFer's career with poor defensive play. A very familiar story. And Brees doesnt even have a Doug Atkins or Tommy Myers. --- Things never really change. SapperSaint and hagan714 like this.

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skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? no. we're done. we got nothing. same sh** different year. neugey likes this.

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by dizzle88 I just feel bad for Brees, we have wasted several years of this first ballot HOFer's career with poor defensive play. That's what you get when you get an offensive minded coach who apparently doesn't know **** about defense; wanting to have his hand in everything...

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint You make is sound like throwing for 400 yards is some easy thing to do. Peyton Manning averaged it once per season, Drew's done it about the same. Dan Marino did it 15 times in his career and after that no quarterback has double digits. If teams could plan on 400 yards in the air, they'd do it. Drew Brees 17 Peyton Manning 17 Dan Marino 15 Carson Palmer 8 Philip Rivers 8 Ben Roethlisberger 8 Dan Fouts 7 Joe Montana 7 Warren Moon 7 Eli Manning 7 Matthew Stafford 7 Tom Brady 7 As far as time of possession goes, we won the time of possession last night. We killed the Giants at time of possession, and the Raiders beat us at time of possession by less than a minute. For the season, we're up in time of possession by over 9 minutes. TOP is not an issue with this team. Where "Drew and his toys" are concerned, did you see the stat they put up during the game last night? No quarterback has achieved what Drew has done in any ten year span in the history of the NFL and really, nobody was even close. In his entire time with the Saints, Drew has never had a pro-bowl wide receiver. And how much are we paying for his "toys"? Cooks, Snead and Thomas's salary's are just a little north of $2million a year COMBINED. Throw in Fleener's salary and the team is still paying less than $4 million a year. The Saints have $7 million available in cap space so it's not like "Drew and his toys" are keeping the Saints from picking up a stud free agent, if there were any available. And finally, yes, the Falcons are known for their offensive prowess. They came into this game leading the league. And they've been very good for years now. As a matter of fact, the Falcons haven't had a below average offense since 2007 when Bobby Petrino bailed out on them mid season. 400 total yards, Utah. Not passing yards. When you throw it that much, you will have yards. It's all about efficiency. And I don't if we "won" time of possession. If you are throwing the ball 50 plus times you are extending the game, and you are usually losing. We were having success running the ball. I'm not saying to reverse things and run it 50 times, but try to make it a little more even. With as bad as this defense is right now (whether or not you want to blame that on injuries) you have to take advantage of every possession to not only score, but run as much time off that clock as possible. Payton failed in his game plan from that perspective. You'd think I were blaming this whole mess on drew by reading your comments. I didn't say one thing about his ability not being there. I said he's TOO GOOD for us to be running this predictable offense. And yes, I saw the stats on Drew over the last decade. We're talking about recent history with this team, not Drew's career accomplishments. Plus you gave me a bunch of QB's who played a long time ago in a different era. And I disagree about the Falcons. That offense has been known for Julio Jones and Roddy White. It has never been an elite offense. You are telling what they are ranked after 4 whole games. They have a defensive minded head coach and a coordinator who hasn't previously shown to be all that great. Yet they looked a million times more creative than the Saints last night. And that, again, is a bit of an embarrassment. As far as the cost of Drew and his "toys", he's making around 25 million a year alone, by himself. But the cost isn't simply dollars. They spent a first round pick on Cooks and Ingram, a second round choice on Thomas, plus the over pay for Fleener. They spent good money on Spiller, only to cut him a year later. There has been a significant investment in offense. And at some point they'll have to pay Cooks and Snead if they keep performing. But they haven't done enough to fix the offensive line and the play calling is not taking full advantage of what we have.
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