0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016?

|Mitch| · 09-26-2016, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

Just way too banged up on D to make any noise this season.

Even if injuries didn't decimate the team, I doubt they'd make the impact we all want...

We have a lot of young inexperienced players who are only gonna get better with more snaps

leilung · 09-26-2016, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

The key is executing faster, change it up, be less deliberate. Atlanta looked like a high-powered college offense tonight - that's what we need to tap into.

That has never been Drew's game. BTW, Philly had the same thing you're describing with Chip Kelly and they ran him out of town on a rail once the rest of the league caught on. I doubt they could have done that crap if we were at full strength.

neugey · 09-26-2016, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

That has never been Drew's game. BTW, Philly had the same thing you're describing with Chip Kelly and they ran him out of town on a rail once the rest of the league caught on. I doubt they could have done that crap if we were at full strength.

Those are fair points. I just felt frustrated watching the Saints tonight - taking a lot of time off the play clock to execute very ordinary throws. Especially when we go 5 wide, allowing the defense forever to get setup is not a good thing.

burningmetal · 09-27-2016, 12:02 AM

One of the things that frustrates me the most is, despite Drew's ability, there seem to be a ton of of passes that are predetermined. I am aware that on every play there is a primary receiver, but I'm talking about deciding before the play that he's going to throw to that receiver, no matter what.

Drew is too good to just bail out and check down for a 1 yard gain or 3 yard loss like he kept doing tonight. Our offense has done a ton of that during this three year run of losing.

There are times when he has to get rid of it, and then there are times where he isn't under pressure but he just dumps it off without even looking downfield.

Then there are those quick slant routes that have been mentioned in this thread that lead too much trouble to keep running it as often as they do. All that predictability is killing drives. With this defense, the offense can't afford to stop itself.

Utah_Saint · 09-27-2016, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

One of the things that frustrates me the most is, despite Drew's ability, there seem to be a ton of of passes that are predetermined. I am aware that on every play there is a primary receiver, but I'm talking about deciding before the play that he's going to throw to that receiver, no matter what.

Drew is too good to just bail out and check down for a 1 yard gain or 3 yard loss like he kept doing tonight. Our offense has done a ton of that during this three year run of losing.

There are times when he has to get rid of it, and then there are times where he isn't under pressure but he just dumps it off without even looking downfield.

Then there are those quick slant routes that have been mentioned in this thread that lead too much trouble to keep running it as often as they do. All that predictability is killing drives. With this defense, the offense can't afford to stop itself.

36/54, 354 yards 3 touchdowns, 7-11 on third down. The Saints only punted twice. If that kinda performance frustrates you, you're gonna be disappointed a lot.

A.8Manning · 09-27-2016, 04:38 AM

0-3...and only one game back in their own division.
its not that bad. Theyll be 1-3 next week and either be 2 behind atlanta or just one behind everyone.

keep your shirt on.

spkb25 · 09-27-2016, 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by A.8Manning

0-3...and only one game back in their own division.
its not that bad. Theyll be 1-3 next week and either be 2 behind atlanta or just one behind everyone.

keep your shirt on.

First this is not based in reality, but even I were to pretend it was, we are two games back not one, and we haven't won a game

dizzle88 · 09-27-2016, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

First this is not based in reality, but even I were to pretend it was, we are two games back not one, and we haven't won a game

I honestly can't look at a game and say that's a win right there, the defense is worse than last year!! How is that even possible?!?

burningmetal · 09-27-2016, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

36/54, 354 yards 3 touchdowns, 7-11 on third down. The Saints only punted twice. If that kinda performance frustrates you, you're gonna be disappointed a lot.

So you have decided that this one game is all the sample size I'm using after back to back losing seasons and an 0-3 start this year? Try again.

54 passes to get to 354 yards proves my point, however. That is horribly inefficient, and that happens too often. We had two punts, a turnover on downs and an interception which came on one of those predictable plays. That throw simply should never have been made but he tried to force it in, anyway.

That's four stops. How many times did we stop the Falcons? Is their offense better than ours? If so, that's embarrassing.

But how about last week's performance? Where was this vaunted offense when we needed them then? The offensive line is light years away from where it used to be in the glory days, but just as big of a problem has been this check down passing game and all the predictability. The aggressive play calling shows up sporadically and then disappears for long stretches.

dizzle88 · 09-27-2016, 08:27 AM

My expectations for this team have been severely lowered after the now 0-3 start.

I find myself not getting as frustrated as I normally would watching it last night, purely because I expected us to find a way to lose....and we did.

So from now on it will be a nice surprise if we win, as my expectations are probably on par with what the Raiders or Jags fans have been over the past decade.

I just feel bad for Brees, we have wasted several years of this first ballot HOFer's career with poor defensive play.

09-26-2016, 11:34 PM	#21
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by leilung Just way too banged up on D to make any noise this season. Even if injuries didn't decimate the team, I doubt they'd make the impact we all want... We have a lot of young inexperienced players who are only gonna get better with more snaps

09-26-2016, 11:36 PM	#22
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,428	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by neugey The key is executing faster, change it up, be less deliberate. Atlanta looked like a high-powered college offense tonight - that's what we need to tap into. That has never been Drew's game. BTW, Philly had the same thing you're describing with Chip Kelly and they ran him out of town on a rail once the rest of the league caught on. I doubt they could have done that crap if we were at full strength. Utah_Saint likes this.

09-26-2016, 11:50 PM	#23
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,870 Blog Entries: 13	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by leilung That has never been Drew's game. BTW, Philly had the same thing you're describing with Chip Kelly and they ran him out of town on a rail once the rest of the league caught on. I doubt they could have done that crap if we were at full strength. Those are fair points. I just felt frustrated watching the Saints tonight - taking a lot of time off the play clock to execute very ordinary throws. Especially when we go 5 wide, allowing the defense forever to get setup is not a good thing.

09-27-2016, 12:02 AM	#24
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? One of the things that frustrates me the most is, despite Drew's ability, there seem to be a ton of of passes that are predetermined. I am aware that on every play there is a primary receiver, but I'm talking about deciding before the play that he's going to throw to that receiver, no matter what. Drew is too good to just bail out and check down for a 1 yard gain or 3 yard loss like he kept doing tonight. Our offense has done a ton of that during this three year run of losing. There are times when he has to get rid of it, and then there are times where he isn't under pressure but he just dumps it off without even looking downfield. Then there are those quick slant routes that have been mentioned in this thread that lead too much trouble to keep running it as often as they do. All that predictability is killing drives. With this defense, the offense can't afford to stop itself. neugey and CharityMike like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-27-2016, 02:44 AM	#25
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by burningmetal One of the things that frustrates me the most is, despite Drew's ability, there seem to be a ton of of passes that are predetermined. I am aware that on every play there is a primary receiver, but I'm talking about deciding before the play that he's going to throw to that receiver, no matter what. Drew is too good to just bail out and check down for a 1 yard gain or 3 yard loss like he kept doing tonight. Our offense has done a ton of that during this three year run of losing. There are times when he has to get rid of it, and then there are times where he isn't under pressure but he just dumps it off without even looking downfield. Then there are those quick slant routes that have been mentioned in this thread that lead too much trouble to keep running it as often as they do. All that predictability is killing drives. With this defense, the offense can't afford to stop itself. 36/54, 354 yards 3 touchdowns, 7-11 on third down. The Saints only punted twice. If that kinda performance frustrates you, you're gonna be disappointed a lot.

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09-27-2016, 04:57 AM	#27
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by A.8Manning 0-3...and only one game back in their own division. its not that bad. Theyll be 1-3 next week and either be 2 behind atlanta or just one behind everyone. keep your shirt on. First this is not based in reality, but even I were to pretend it was, we are two games back not one, and we haven't won a game CharityMike and ctsaint01 like this.

09-27-2016, 05:29 AM	#28
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by spkb25 First this is not based in reality, but even I were to pretend it was, we are two games back not one, and we haven't won a game I honestly can't look at a game and say that's a win right there, the defense is worse than last year!! How is that even possible?!?

09-27-2016, 08:00 AM	#29
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint 36/54, 354 yards 3 touchdowns, 7-11 on third down. The Saints only punted twice. If that kinda performance frustrates you, you're gonna be disappointed a lot. So you have decided that this one game is all the sample size I'm using after back to back losing seasons and an 0-3 start this year? Try again. 54 passes to get to 354 yards proves my point, however. That is horribly inefficient, and that happens too often. We had two punts, a turnover on downs and an interception which came on one of those predictable plays. That throw simply should never have been made but he tried to force it in, anyway. That's four stops. How many times did we stop the Falcons? Is their offense better than ours? If so, that's embarrassing. But how about last week's performance? Where was this vaunted offense when we needed them then? The offensive line is light years away from where it used to be in the glory days, but just as big of a problem has been this check down passing game and all the predictability. The aggressive play calling shows up sporadically and then disappears for long stretches. CharityMike likes this.
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09-27-2016, 08:27 AM	#30
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