0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016?

pherein · 09-26-2016, 11:15 PM

ass kicked at home with all the advantages for a team to win. Nope we are done. Can never get that day back, and SP looked drunk in the presser.

The Dude · 09-27-2016, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

ass kicked at home with all the advantages for a team to win. Nope we are done. Can never get that day back, and SP looked drunk in the presser.

he has a lot in the past couple years yet people say there is something wrong with ME if I post about it

neugey · 09-26-2016, 11:21 PM

The funny thing, the Falcons showed us what we're doing wrong. The Falcons moved with purpose, got the plays in fast and mixed it up well, kept the defense off balance.

Why do we do we use up almost the whole play clock just to throw a timing route or just throw the same slant to Michael Thomas again and again?

The key is executing faster, change it up, be less deliberate. Atlanta looked like a high-powered college offense tonight - that's what we need to tap into.

leilung · 09-26-2016, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

The key is executing faster, change it up, be less deliberate. Atlanta looked like a high-powered college offense tonight - that's what we need to tap into.

That has never been Drew's game. BTW, Philly had the same thing you're describing with Chip Kelly and they ran him out of town on a rail once the rest of the league caught on. I doubt they could have done that crap if we were at full strength.

neugey · 09-26-2016, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

That has never been Drew's game. BTW, Philly had the same thing you're describing with Chip Kelly and they ran him out of town on a rail once the rest of the league caught on. I doubt they could have done that crap if we were at full strength.

Those are fair points. I just felt frustrated watching the Saints tonight - taking a lot of time off the play clock to execute very ordinary throws. Especially when we go 5 wide, allowing the defense forever to get setup is not a good thing.

burningmetal · 09-27-2016, 12:02 AM

One of the things that frustrates me the most is, despite Drew's ability, there seem to be a ton of of passes that are predetermined. I am aware that on every play there is a primary receiver, but I'm talking about deciding before the play that he's going to throw to that receiver, no matter what.

Drew is too good to just bail out and check down for a 1 yard gain or 3 yard loss like he kept doing tonight. Our offense has done a ton of that during this three year run of losing.

There are times when he has to get rid of it, and then there are times where he isn't under pressure but he just dumps it off without even looking downfield.

Then there are those quick slant routes that have been mentioned in this thread that lead too much trouble to keep running it as often as they do. All that predictability is killing drives. With this defense, the offense can't afford to stop itself.

Utah_Saint · 09-27-2016, 02:44 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

One of the things that frustrates me the most is, despite Drew's ability, there seem to be a ton of of passes that are predetermined. I am aware that on every play there is a primary receiver, but I'm talking about deciding before the play that he's going to throw to that receiver, no matter what.

Drew is too good to just bail out and check down for a 1 yard gain or 3 yard loss like he kept doing tonight. Our offense has done a ton of that during this three year run of losing.

There are times when he has to get rid of it, and then there are times where he isn't under pressure but he just dumps it off without even looking downfield.

Then there are those quick slant routes that have been mentioned in this thread that lead too much trouble to keep running it as often as they do. All that predictability is killing drives. With this defense, the offense can't afford to stop itself.

36/54, 354 yards 3 touchdowns, 7-11 on third down. The Saints only punted twice. If that kinda performance frustrates you, you're gonna be disappointed a lot.

burningmetal · 09-27-2016, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

36/54, 354 yards 3 touchdowns, 7-11 on third down. The Saints only punted twice. If that kinda performance frustrates you, you're gonna be disappointed a lot.

So you have decided that this one game is all the sample size I'm using after back to back losing seasons and an 0-3 start this year? Try again.

54 passes to get to 354 yards proves my point, however. That is horribly inefficient, and that happens too often. We had two punts, a turnover on downs and an interception which came on one of those predictable plays. That throw simply should never have been made but he tried to force it in, anyway.

That's four stops. How many times did we stop the Falcons? Is their offense better than ours? If so, that's embarrassing.

But how about last week's performance? Where was this vaunted offense when we needed them then? The offensive line is light years away from where it used to be in the glory days, but just as big of a problem has been this check down passing game and all the predictability. The aggressive play calling shows up sporadically and then disappears for long stretches.

Utah_Saint · 09-27-2016, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

So you have decided that this one game is all the sample size I'm using after back to back losing seasons and an 0-3 start this year? Try again.

54 passes to get to 354 yards proves my point, however. That is horribly inefficient, and that happens too often. We had two punts, a turnover on downs and an interception which came on one of those predictable plays. That throw simply should never have been made but he tried to force it in, anyway.

That's four stops. How many times did we stop the Falcons? Is their offense better than ours? If so, that's embarrassing.

But how about last week's performance? Where was this vaunted offense when we needed them then? The offensive line is light years away from where it used to be in the glory days, but just as big of a problem has been this check down passing game and all the predictability. The aggressive play calling shows up sporadically and then disappears for long stretches.

In 2014 the Saints had the #1 offense in the league.
In 2015 the Saints had the #2 offense in the league.
How "inefficient" are they if they're a top 2 offense in the league?
And you're saying if the top offense in the league is better than ours, it's "embarrassing"?

And as for the offensive line, they has allowed only 4 sacks so far this season. Only five teams have fewer. 10 teams have already doubled that or more. And the Saints, as a team, are averaging 4.2 yards per carry. Only 8 teams are averaging more than that. The teams passer rating (Drew) is 105.1 4th best in the league. The offensive line is a lot closer to being great than it is to being bad by any realistic definition.

Again, if you're "frustrated" or "embarrassed" by what the offense is doing, you're in for a lot of disappointment in your NFL expectations.

lee909 · 09-27-2016, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

In 2014 the Saints had the #1 offense in the league.
In 2015 the Saints had the #2 offense in the league.

No offense but that stat is a load of rubbish. Gaining yards doesnt win games. In 2014 the Saints offense was 9th and in 15 8th by points scored. That is all a offense should be judge on

09-27-2016, 10:03 PM	#2
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09-26-2016, 11:21 PM	#3
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,854 Blog Entries: 13	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? The funny thing, the Falcons showed us what we're doing wrong. The Falcons moved with purpose, got the plays in fast and mixed it up well, kept the defense off balance. Why do we do we use up almost the whole play clock just to throw a timing route or just throw the same slant to Michael Thomas again and again? The key is executing faster, change it up, be less deliberate. Atlanta looked like a high-powered college offense tonight - that's what we need to tap into.

09-26-2016, 11:36 PM	#4
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,424	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by neugey The key is executing faster, change it up, be less deliberate. Atlanta looked like a high-powered college offense tonight - that's what we need to tap into. That has never been Drew's game. BTW, Philly had the same thing you're describing with Chip Kelly and they ran him out of town on a rail once the rest of the league caught on. I doubt they could have done that crap if we were at full strength. Utah_Saint likes this.

09-26-2016, 11:50 PM	#5
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,854 Blog Entries: 13	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by leilung That has never been Drew's game. BTW, Philly had the same thing you're describing with Chip Kelly and they ran him out of town on a rail once the rest of the league caught on. I doubt they could have done that crap if we were at full strength. Those are fair points. I just felt frustrated watching the Saints tonight - taking a lot of time off the play clock to execute very ordinary throws. Especially when we go 5 wide, allowing the defense forever to get setup is not a good thing.

09-27-2016, 12:02 AM	#6
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? One of the things that frustrates me the most is, despite Drew's ability, there seem to be a ton of of passes that are predetermined. I am aware that on every play there is a primary receiver, but I'm talking about deciding before the play that he's going to throw to that receiver, no matter what. Drew is too good to just bail out and check down for a 1 yard gain or 3 yard loss like he kept doing tonight. Our offense has done a ton of that during this three year run of losing. There are times when he has to get rid of it, and then there are times where he isn't under pressure but he just dumps it off without even looking downfield. Then there are those quick slant routes that have been mentioned in this thread that lead too much trouble to keep running it as often as they do. All that predictability is killing drives. With this defense, the offense can't afford to stop itself. neugey and CharityMike like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-26-2016, 11:15 PM	#1
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? ass kicked at home with all the advantages for a team to win. Nope we are done. Can never get that day back, and SP looked drunk in the presser.

09-27-2016, 02:44 AM	#7
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by burningmetal One of the things that frustrates me the most is, despite Drew's ability, there seem to be a ton of of passes that are predetermined. I am aware that on every play there is a primary receiver, but I'm talking about deciding before the play that he's going to throw to that receiver, no matter what. Drew is too good to just bail out and check down for a 1 yard gain or 3 yard loss like he kept doing tonight. Our offense has done a ton of that during this three year run of losing. There are times when he has to get rid of it, and then there are times where he isn't under pressure but he just dumps it off without even looking downfield. Then there are those quick slant routes that have been mentioned in this thread that lead too much trouble to keep running it as often as they do. All that predictability is killing drives. With this defense, the offense can't afford to stop itself. 36/54, 354 yards 3 touchdowns, 7-11 on third down. The Saints only punted twice. If that kinda performance frustrates you, you're gonna be disappointed a lot.

09-27-2016, 08:00 AM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint 36/54, 354 yards 3 touchdowns, 7-11 on third down. The Saints only punted twice. If that kinda performance frustrates you, you're gonna be disappointed a lot. So you have decided that this one game is all the sample size I'm using after back to back losing seasons and an 0-3 start this year? Try again. 54 passes to get to 354 yards proves my point, however. That is horribly inefficient, and that happens too often. We had two punts, a turnover on downs and an interception which came on one of those predictable plays. That throw simply should never have been made but he tried to force it in, anyway. That's four stops. How many times did we stop the Falcons? Is their offense better than ours? If so, that's embarrassing. But how about last week's performance? Where was this vaunted offense when we needed them then? The offensive line is light years away from where it used to be in the glory days, but just as big of a problem has been this check down passing game and all the predictability. The aggressive play calling shows up sporadically and then disappears for long stretches. CharityMike likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-27-2016, 01:38 PM	#9
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by burningmetal So you have decided that this one game is all the sample size I'm using after back to back losing seasons and an 0-3 start this year? Try again. 54 passes to get to 354 yards proves my point, however. That is horribly inefficient, and that happens too often. We had two punts, a turnover on downs and an interception which came on one of those predictable plays. That throw simply should never have been made but he tried to force it in, anyway. That's four stops. How many times did we stop the Falcons? Is their offense better than ours? If so, that's embarrassing. But how about last week's performance? Where was this vaunted offense when we needed them then? The offensive line is light years away from where it used to be in the glory days, but just as big of a problem has been this check down passing game and all the predictability. The aggressive play calling shows up sporadically and then disappears for long stretches. In 2014 the Saints had the #1 offense in the league. In 2015 the Saints had the #2 offense in the league. How "inefficient" are they if they're a top 2 offense in the league? And you're saying if the top offense in the league is better than ours, it's "embarrassing"? And as for the offensive line, they has allowed only 4 sacks so far this season. Only five teams have fewer. 10 teams have already doubled that or more. And the Saints, as a team, are averaging 4.2 yards per carry. Only 8 teams are averaging more than that. The teams passer rating (Drew) is 105.1 4th best in the league. The offensive line is a lot closer to being great than it is to being bad by any realistic definition. Again, if you're "frustrated" or "embarrassed" by what the offense is doing, you're in for a lot of disappointment in your NFL expectations. dizzle88 and CharityMike like this.

09-27-2016, 01:55 PM	#10
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 0-3 Do you see any hope for 2016? Originally Posted by Utah_Saint In 2014 the Saints had the #1 offense in the league. In 2015 the Saints had the #2 offense in the league. No offense but that stat is a load of rubbish. Gaining yards doesnt win games. In 2014 the Saints offense was 9th and in 15 8th by points scored. That is all a offense should be judge on burningmetal likes this.

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