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You cant win at home with all the backing and motivation to win that surrounded the anniversary ?
Your not going to win at any other time. Everything is in your favor, and you cant win. Sorry guys its over.
These guys have no heart.

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You're right. Matt Ryan really took it to our backups tonight.

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Three players that showed heart - Brees, Michael Thomas and Nick Fairley

Yeah, the season is over, Payton has to go, whoever's decision it was to give him a 5 year extension after 2 straight 7-9 seasons needs their head examined.

If we don't clean house now, we are going to be a mess for a while, I'm talking perennial top 5 draft pick like the browns and jags.

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Clean house? Really?? Didn't we just do that?

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Technically the season isn't over. You're just whining.

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lost 11-15 home games its over

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Using stats from past seasons is whining even louder.

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no your whining , we are 0-3 and cant win when given the BEST advantage. We will not win with the least advantage. Common sense. Keep pooping rainbows man

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We didn't solve the main problem, Payton and his buddies that he keeps in a job despite the fact they are useless.

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I wouldnt say our team has no heart. Especially the young guys. The problem is they are inexperienced.

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and NE has as many guys out ? but... no heart

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Sorry. I can not get on board with the hate. We are decimated. Decimated. Heck we aren't winning the super bowl. If that was the expectation, realistically, then you people are crazy. We are DECIMATED and we don't have the depth with experience to account for the decimation.


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We just gave 10 years of history back to the other team. That is a major signifier that a era is gone and you can never re-open a old era. The pats never missed playoffs with Brady so their era is still going. GB hasn;t missed yet with Rodgers since 08. Never missed with Manning's teams. That era is over. You can't suddenly expect to go back to winning like your old ways when you gave away what started why we became this era to begin with.

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Its not hate Saintfan we all love the team, its common sence. Some teams like NE can get it done with injuries. We can not, nor can we win with the best possible game or conditions for us to win. Why cant we just win 1 game huh ?
Right, its not hate, failclowns are not even that good, and our D still folds.
We are a 8-8 team at best

eveyone has excuses but no one can solve the problem. Why cant you win a game ?

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Did you see Les Miles in the parking lot waiting to give Sean Payton a ride.

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And your blind as a bat there are games left yes but the season is over your not beating but one or two teams left on the schedule

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Let's see ..

7-9, 7-9 & the start of this season 0-3. Time to start firing people.

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Season is not technically over since the Falcons are just currently the kings of **** mountain, but Sean Payton's staff on Defense or ST has to go. Bill Johnson, Joe Vitt, and Ed McMahon. Mickey Loomis should be fired tonight if you ask me.

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I think Dennis Allen has done all he could with the injuries he has had to deal with; but Bill Johnson the defensive line coach has to go! It's his job to coach the pass rush, which we never have none.

If that means Payton has to go to get his buddies out, than so be it...

I'd hate for a new coach come in and clean house though. I'd hate to lose some of the young talented players we have...

Crawley, Anthony, Bell, Harris; as well as some others...

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I'm sorry, but injuries only give you a certain amount of space for excuses. Giving up 45 points at home is bad. The defense was bad. The fumbled punt with our guy getting pummeled by his own teammate was bad. The Pick six was bad. You can't take all that and just shrug your shoulders and go "eh, injuries man... Just too many injuries". That's a losing mentality.

I said during pre-season that my expectations weren't very high for this year. I was thinking next year they might be more ready. And adding the injuries, I expect even less. But they have found numerous different ways to lose. It's clearly not as simple as health. There is a culture of losing when you see the kind of dumb things that keep happening. And that doesn't necessarily mean they have quit. It just means they aren't very disciplined, and they don't have enough players who have an ability to make timely plays. They consistently make untimely mistakes.

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If we , by some miricle made into the playoffs how do you beat a good team like Philly or Vikings? Then if we have NE in a SB how do we beat them ?
Simple we cant with this team its over. We would be 1 and done in the playoffs which this team will never get to unless everyone else loses and we are gifted the spot. We will never earn it. Team has no heart the season for a SB is over.

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In my opinion, doing the following would be the best move

Cut or trade the high priced under performing guys

Byrd, Fleener, Laurinitus etc

Cut players that just not good - Cadet, Coleman etc

Clean the coaching staff

Getting rid of Payton, Loomis, Bill Johnson, Vitt, McMahon and the conditioning coach

Keep the young guys that show potential - Bell, Crawley, Anthony, Robertson, Davison etc

Keep Brees and Carmichael, as well as the receivers.

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Sean/Carmichael are just as responsible as any of the other coaches. I don't care what the scoreboard says, the offense is a huge problem.

To be honest, Drew's ability to throw these crazy accurate passes and throw people open who aren't open is making our offense look a whole lot better than it really is. If we had better playcalling, with the way Drew is executing now, we would look like the 1999 Rams and our defense wouldn't even hardly matter.

They are going to ruin Michael Thomas' development and career if they insist on sending him on a slant every single play. Atlanta finally caught on to the predictability and it cost us the game. Oh, and our first play after the pick 6? Another slant to Michael Thomas! Are you kidding me???

About one in every ten plays you will see something innovative that actually works, like the last Ingram TD. But the rest of the time it is the same predictable crap, like knowing that every time when Cadet goes into the game that the ball will be going to him.

Atlanta's defense is horrible, and a real NFL defense would have made us pay a lot more tonight.

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I'd like to see what Fleener does the rest of the season before throwing him out with the bath water. He had a decent game tonight...

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He had a "decent" game but still looked bad in spots, I counted 3 dropped passes after 5 last week and the only reason he was midly successful was because Atlanta are incapable of stopping seam routes, which Ben Watson displayed last season.

Although, it's only fair to see what Fleener does the rest of the season to see if he gets more comfortable so I agree there.

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Fleener looked better tonight, even showed some signs of competent blocking, but here is the issue - he has no ability to make a play after the catch. If he can't make a move or break through soft tackles, he's pretty much just a replacement-level tight end.

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All this BS about injuries... quit making excuses. MIN and NE are 3-0 and both are playing with not only injuries, but injuries to their BEST players. To equate that to our team, it would be like Drew getting injured yet still being 3-0.

Good teams win, regardless of injuries.

Fact is Payton is an average coach, with decent offensive mind. He got fortunate to have Greg Williams from 2009 to 2011. Greg Williams helped build the "Payton" legacy.

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Falcons IR
WR Devin Fuller
CB Akeem King
CB DeMarcus Van Dyke

Falcons Out Week 3
LB Paul Worrilow
OLB De'Vondre Cambell

Other than Worrilow, ever heard of these guys?

Saints IR
LB 44 - Hau'oli Kikaha
FS 33 - Jamarca Sanford
CB 24 - Kyle Wilson
WR 12 - Kyle Prater
DE 77 - D.J. Pettway
CB 43 - Jimmy Pruitt
DB 27 - Damian Swann
TE 84 - Michael Hoomanawanui
OT 74 - Tyrus Thompson
DT 98 - Sheldon Rankins
CB 25 - P.J. Williams

Saints out Week 3
CB Delvin Breaux
LB Dannell Ellerbe
WR Willie Snead
TE Josh Hill
T Terron Armstead
DT Tyeler Davison
S Kenny Vaccaro

Don't think for a minute that injuries don't matter in this league. Or just saying "next man up" actually means anything. Jarius Byrd was the only active member of the secondary that was even on the team last year.

The Saints did fine on offense. Over 100 yards rushing at 5.0 ypc, Over 350 yards in the air. 7-11 on 3rd down. Won the clock. And they went 4 of 5 in the Redzone. If they had even half those defensive guys listed above, they run the Falcons outta the building.

The Saints lost by 13 points. A pick six and an 11 yard drive following the stupidest muffed punt I've ever seen, were the difference in the game.

Yeah, our 2nd string defense (and that's being generous) couldn't stop the number one offense in the league but their 1st string defense couldn't stop ours either.

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New England are dealing with injuries and are 3-0.

We keep finding ways to lose, injuries obviously are a back breaker, but even before we started getting injured we were not a good team.

2 straight 0-4 preseasons, preseason matters, people need to wise up a little on that.

We found ways to lose way before a ton of our starters went down.

In the last 15 home games we are 4-11, what's the reason for that? What's the reason for back to back 7-9 seasons and an 0-3 start, the answer is Payton and his buddies.

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Guys.... be realistic here.... We suck.... injuries hit us hard yet again... it will be a painful season Payton will probably still get another chance next season... on the bright side there's always next year ! Haha

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So that's it? We're as good as New England or we're a bad team? There's nothing in between?

Patriots IR
T Vollmer, Sebastian
RB Lewis, Dion
G Jackson, Tre

Patriots Out Week 3
QB Jimmy Garoppolo

And of course Tom Brady's out on suspension.

While losing a superstar is hard to make up, losing 10 or more of the 22 projected offensive and defensive starters means you have cover up for half your team and is way more difficult.

The reason we've had back to back losing seasons is obvious, our defense sucked in historic fashion. The defense was undisciplined, often confused and too often out of position. We had absolutely no interior pressure and couldn't stop the run.

We eliminated the biggest problems by getting rid of Rob Ryan and his read and react defense. Guys know where there supposed to be and what their responsibilities are when they get out of the huddle. We've already seen improvements in that department.

The addition of Rankins/Fairly into the defensive line rotation woulda, shoulda, coulda significantly improved the internal pressure on the pocket which would help Jordan and Kikaha, and helped at least a little in run defense. The improvement in the front end would take pressure off the secondary.

Even when completely healthy I don't think this defense would be record setters but I have no doubt it would be better that what we've had the misfortune of seeing for the last two seasons.

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We are bad team simple.

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we're an awful team, and there may be many reasons for that, but it doesn't make it any less true. I haven't seen these guys give up or play without heart, they're just not good. This team is a mess.

The 2015 Draft has resulted in this:
Anthony doesn't seem to making the field as often. Peat is doing better. Kikia IR, PJ IR, GG Practice Squad, Tull- Cut, Davidson has looked okay, Swann -IR, Murphy- okay?

So that draft that we all had so much hope from doesn't look like it is doing anything

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Actually I am surprised by this team despite the front office

25% of our cap is playing else where or asking people if they want paper or plastic.

Add in a defense riddled with injuries were more than one starter are injuries. Making matters worse multiple starts at CB.

An offense line that is in constant flex.

A WR core that is also in flux.

Taken all the cheap FA and UDFA the saints must sign even to field a team, I am actually find myself tipping my hat to the coaches. small tip.

Now the front office has a chance to wipe the book clean, for the most part in 2017.

The saints front office needs to stop screwing up and learn to use the draft better to control the cap. multiple picks in rounds 3 - 5 make up the core of successful team

Trades? New England Patriots gets it
Acquired CB Eric Rowe from Philadelphia for a conditional 4th round
Acquired DE/OLB Barkevious Mingo from Cleveland for a 5th round

4th and a 5th for solid depth players that will play and be part of a active rotation.

Injuries are expected. Multiple starters injured at one position is bad luck

Front office moves of the past few years is unacceptable.

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In a Ocean of bad, Laurinaitis and Byrd stand out as the worst.

Add to that very little depth (Hagan just alluded to with bad contracts) ... our goose is cooked.

On to San Diego :bng:. Let's Go !

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Just give the curtain call already...........:roll:

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I see 13 games left on the schedule. You go right ahead and shut that TV off if you like shrimp.

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Sean Payton is 4-15 in the last 19 games in the Dome, folks. His teams always used to be known historically to play really well at home (Dome field advantage), known to bring the fireworks and show up ready to play in big prime time night games; Sean Payton was known for having the "number" of our main rival the Atlanta Falcons, as well as also known for clobbering his former employers the Giants (was previously 4-0 record against them).

Well, none of these things seem to be reliably happening for him anymore. The once-impressive record Payton had against the Falcons, is slowly starting to even out and dip back down towards .500. The once-impressive "sure things" of his incredible record in games against his former employers the Cowboys and the Giants, where he would pull out all the stops, are now not so "sure" anymore. The once-impressive prime time record, as well as home field, are also trending in the wrong direction these days.

The last 15 games in the Dome, the Saints have won 4 of them. Let that sink in for a minute.

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Not good at all.