Time for Saints defensive personnel changes, plus other First-and-10 tidbits

dizzle88 · 10-10-2016, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

It's important to remember that Vilma got hurt for a good portion of 2010 and 2011, we had Dunbar starting very often. In addition, Fujita left after 2009 and was replaced by Danny Clark in 2010 and Casillas in 2011. The 2010 Defense was ranked 4th overall, the 2011 defense was also very stout. We should have won another SB in 2011 if it wasn't for the 5 turnover fluke against the 49ers.

Greg Williams just knows how to coach his players and put them in the right spots; something we have not been able to do since.

GW played to guys strengths, he knew Harper was no good in coverage so he kept him in the box.
He also knew that we did not have the talent to get pressure with 4 guys, so he sent 6 everytime and kept everyone in man coverage.

All the players loved GW.

Mardigras9 · 09-30-2016, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

"Once again, Jairus Byrd in the middle of the field is a liability," Gruen said without hesitation following Devonta Freeman's 48-yard run near the end of the game.

Truth!!

hagan714 · 09-30-2016, 12:04 PM

Active rotation is better approach at this point than blowing things up and shuffling the deck completely.

saintsfan1976 · 09-30-2016, 03:52 PM

The only personnel changes that will make a difference in our future start at the top!

The Dude · 10-04-2016, 08:37 PM

I'm still baffled as to why Anthony is on the bench and nobody is even mentioning it. At least give him enough plays so prospected trade teams can have something to watch. If you aren't going to use your first rounder fine, but at least dangle him out there for trade bait if he doesn't fit here. He showed enough last year to warrant some interest.

jeanpierre · 09-30-2016, 09:14 PM

Think we'll all agree that changes need to be made, but before we throw the babes out with the bathwater, do we have better available to us?

Coaches, Players, General Managers, Scouts et al, is there better available?

There's no question that the results demand changes, but who? what? when?

CharityMike · 09-30-2016, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Think we'll all agree that changes need to be made, but before we throw the babes out with the bathwater, do we have better available to us?

Coaches, Players, General Managers, Scouts et al, is there better available?

There's no question that the results demand changes, but who? what? when?

Always the million dollar question.

SmashMouth · 10-01-2016, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Think we'll all agree that changes need to be made, but before we throw the babes out with the bathwater, do we have better available to us?

Coaches, Players, General Managers, Scouts et al, is there better available?

There's no question that the results demand changes, but who? what? when?

All points to the organization and its management. Look no further then how the Patriots are run. Ultimately, it's Tom Benson who should recognize this and take action on. As successful as he's been, maybe he's not working to win anymore as he once said he was.

saintsfan1976 · 10-04-2016, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

All points to the organization and its management. Look no further then how the Patriots are run. Ultimately, it's Tom Benson who should recognize this and take action on. As successful as he's been, maybe he's not working to win anymore as he once said he was.

BINGO.

Robert Kraft is why the Patriots are winners. Ownership means more to stability than anything (see Cleveland Browns) and Mr. Benson is aged, arguably lacks competence and has let his organization become another middling franchise.

When I say change at the top I mean the VERY top.

Rell&Gold · 10-04-2016, 10:16 PM

Bellichick doesn't sugarcoat **** either he's black & white when it comes to evaluating talent on the Loss to the Bills in his press conference he said (no quote) that Nothing we did was good enough offense defense ST NOTHING was good enough its no secrecy to his game/player evaluations because he's honest & the truth. Honesty & Truth ALWAYS resonates well with people

10-10-2016, 04:10 PM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Time for Saints defensive personnel changes, plus other First-and-10 tidbits Originally Posted by blackangold It's important to remember that Vilma got hurt for a good portion of 2010 and 2011, we had Dunbar starting very often. In addition, Fujita left after 2009 and was replaced by Danny Clark in 2010 and Casillas in 2011. The 2010 Defense was ranked 4th overall, the 2011 defense was also very stout. We should have won another SB in 2011 if it wasn't for the 5 turnover fluke against the 49ers. Greg Williams just knows how to coach his players and put them in the right spots; something we have not been able to do since. GW played to guys strengths, he knew Harper was no good in coverage so he kept him in the box. He also knew that we did not have the talent to get pressure with 4 guys, so he sent 6 everytime and kept everyone in man coverage. All the players loved GW.

09-30-2016, 08:36 AM	#2
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: Time for Saints defensive personnel changes, plus other First-and-10 tidbits Originally Posted by Utah_Saint "Once again, Jairus Byrd in the middle of the field is a liability," Gruen said without hesitation following Devonta Freeman's 48-yard run near the end of the game. Truth!!

09-30-2016, 12:04 PM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Time for Saints defensive personnel changes, plus other First-and-10 tidbits Active rotation is better approach at this point than blowing things up and shuffling the deck completely. saintsfan1976 likes this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Time for Saints defensive personnel changes, plus other First-and-10 tidbits The only personnel changes that will make a difference in our future start at the top! jeanpierre and K Major like this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Time for Saints defensive personnel changes, plus other First-and-10 tidbits I'm still baffled as to why Anthony is on the bench and nobody is even mentioning it. At least give him enough plays so prospected trade teams can have something to watch. If you aren't going to use your first rounder fine, but at least dangle him out there for trade bait if he doesn't fit here. He showed enough last year to warrant some interest. jeanpierre likes this.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Time for Saints defensive personnel changes, plus other First-and-10 tidbits Think we'll all agree that changes need to be made, but before we throw the babes out with the bathwater, do we have better available to us? Coaches, Players, General Managers, Scouts et al, is there better available? There's no question that the results demand changes, but who? what? when? hagan714 and skymike like this.

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CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Time for Saints defensive personnel changes, plus other First-and-10 tidbits Originally Posted by jeanpierre Think we'll all agree that changes need to be made, but before we throw the babes out with the bathwater, do we have better available to us? Coaches, Players, General Managers, Scouts et al, is there better available? There's no question that the results demand changes, but who? what? when? Always the million dollar question. jeanpierre likes this.

10-01-2016, 12:07 PM	#8
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Time for Saints defensive personnel changes, plus other First-and-10 tidbits Originally Posted by jeanpierre Think we'll all agree that changes need to be made, but before we throw the babes out with the bathwater, do we have better available to us? Coaches, Players, General Managers, Scouts et al, is there better available? There's no question that the results demand changes, but who? what? when? All points to the organization and its management. Look no further then how the Patriots are run. Ultimately, it's Tom Benson who should recognize this and take action on. As successful as he's been, maybe he's not working to win anymore as he once said he was. saintsfan1976 and jeanpierre like this.

10-04-2016, 07:59 PM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Time for Saints defensive personnel changes, plus other First-and-10 tidbits Originally Posted by SmashMouth All points to the organization and its management. Look no further then how the Patriots are run. Ultimately, it's Tom Benson who should recognize this and take action on. As successful as he's been, maybe he's not working to win anymore as he once said he was. BINGO. Robert Kraft is why the Patriots are winners. Ownership means more to stability than anything (see Cleveland Browns) and Mr. Benson is aged, arguably lacks competence and has let his organization become another middling franchise. When I say change at the top I mean the VERY top.

10-04-2016, 10:16 PM	#10
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Time for Saints defensive personnel changes, plus other First-and-10 tidbits Bellichick doesn't sugarcoat **** either he's black & white when it comes to evaluating talent on the Loss to the Bills in his press conference he said (no quote) that Nothing we did was good enough offense defense ST NOTHING was good enough its no secrecy to his game/player evaluations because he's honest & the truth. Honesty & Truth ALWAYS resonates well with people

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