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i'm going to catch crap on this but i'll say it anyway. when u have 8-10 players and i'm not just saying starters .just role players also out, u don't have much at all of chance on even competing with the lowest of lows in NFL. now listen to this ending, WHEN U DON'T HAVE SOLID BACK UPS. and yes i'm proud the way these young guys have heart not to quit. it reminds me of seans first year in 06, we had winning season with young on the ball players that played with fire and no quit in them. may be the start of something good to come. NOT LIKE THEM SUPERBOWL PANTYS THAT JUST QUIT AGAINST THE CLOWNS YESTERDAY.:)

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I think all those who are using the injuries to excuse Sean are perhaps missing the point. The VAST majority of injuries have been on defense. Sean is an offensive guy. And it seems that if Brees isn't on top of his game we are losing. The play calling became rather predictable over time. I don't see where Sean is some great game planner, anymore. We lost one game this year because of bad offense, and yesterday was almost a second one, if not for the two turnovers deep in Charger territory.

I'm not calling for his head right now. I'm going to let the season play out before I give a definitive opinion on his future. But I get the growing doubt towards Payton, and I don't disagree with it.

There was a time when I used to expect loses, and any win was awesome. That was a long time ago. People are free to celebrate as much as they want over this. That's fine. I'm not going to get in anyone's ear and yell at them for that. But I have a tendency to kind of look at each game for what it is. If it wasn't impressive I'll say so. I'm still glad we won, and I clapped my hands and cheered while watching it. But that doesn't change what I saw for the majority of the game, and I don't get the hate towards giving an honest assessment of the game.

I'm not a paid analyst. It's just a natural thing for some of us to analyze. More time is spent arguing about opinion's than about football, these days.

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Heard an interesting sound byte from Mike and Mike last week ...

The Saints were 3rd in the NFL on spending for offensive players and 31st for the defense.

Even before injuries this defense was bad...very bad. I actually believe Mickey Loomis is a bigger problem than Payton. He (Loomis) is either a bad personnel guy or he is not a personnel guy at all. Either way this isn't acceptable for a GM.

No matter how any of us feel about Loomis, no one can deny it's insane to have one man serving as GM for two Pro sport teams. It's too much for one man.

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I definitely put a lot of the blame on Loomis, as well. No doubt about that. And I agree that he shouldn't be a GM for two different teams, also.

It's ridiculous. The guy is drinking too much of his own kool-aid. And Benson was nuts to offer him that opportunity.

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Now we didn't. We had a balanced attack that took like 2 minutes off the clock. We ran the ball as much as we could to burn the clock. You can only take so much time before you score and we milked pretty much every second we could off the clock. You can do it slowly but eventually you have to score. Great clock management in my opinion. Like I said 9 times out of ten Payton would have put that ball in the air and try to score in like 30 seconds.

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It wasn't that bad. Our line is at least a little bit better and our starting CBs were more than capable. Our problem was depth. We are seeing the result of that. With Breaux and Lewis back there we would be tough to score on. With Ellerbie and Rankins our front would be better.
Before our injuries their would have been plenty of defenses worse than us.

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We don't have debth because we don't have cap... thanks to Bree's

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Of all the possible games in the universe, to put Sean Payton's neck in the guillotine and say "win today, or die!" while wanting him to fail, this was simply NOT the right game to do it for! If you were into counting the Saints' chickens before they hatched, and a lot of us were, or if you wanted to turn off the TV and say "Same ole Saints," well then yesterday was simply NOT the right day to do it.

This was the "Drew is awesome" game. Look, it was a crazy, sloppy, up-and-down game, and the football gods basically smiled down on us and GAVE it to Drew at the very end. And that was mainly because he asked them nicely for it. End of story.

Did I think we were gonna win? Of course not. Those four plays on defense at the very end, we all know that if any ONE of those had gone differently, it would have been a different game and we would be singing a very different tune today. But they didn't, they actually happened.... incredible things DO happen sometimes....even to crummy football teams....

And in this case, that's probably because in the big cosmic scheme of things, yesterday had very little do with firing Payton, it was Drew's day in the sunshine, his day of personal redemption, plain and simple. The grouchy referendum on Payton and Loomis and stewing over the whole slew of coaches can wait until another time, another day. This wasn't the right game for that. When the universe is smiling down and sending you a message, you should just accept it.

On Saturday, Drew went to the exact spot on the field where he was injured in 2005 and prayed, and no doubt reflected on the journey that life has taken him on so far. THAT is the story line of yesterday, even in the final crazy minutes, while Drew was wandering around the sideline grinning like a schoolboy, after those crazy fumbles and defensive plays that had absolutely nothing to do with him, but gave him exactly what he had wanted and wished for.

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We won a game, and the Chargers kinda chocked. It's that simple.

Drew Brees wasn't the only person on that field who ever faced adversity. I believe that God blesses people, and Drew has certainly been blessed. But you're suggesting that God intervened on the outcome of the game. Maybe back up the hyperbole just a tad.

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Dude,
Wasn't that bad? After week #1 of the season the Saints ranked :


#31st in total defense.
#28th in passing defense.
#25th in rushing defense.

This defense has been bad for a while. Multiple seasons of anemic, last place rankings. At some point you can't keep pointing fingers at injuries.

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That is not an honest assessment. we have like 35 million in dead money, I am going to go ahead and blame that. Drew is earning what every qb earns

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Benson needs to limit Loomis to cap management and stay away from player evaluation and acquisition. Oh, and stop multi tasking the Pelicans and Saints. Pick one and stay there! Then Benson needs to limit Payton's power tremendously. I realize Ireland has been good at evaluating defense but has been hog tied by scheme changes. We have already cleaned house in the scouting department. Give the existing plan time to develop.

Still, I believe it's time for a fresh perspective.

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Agreed. You forgot to add poor drafting and poor FA signings. Anyone who blamed Brees for this has very little knowledge of the game much less the business of football. All players get the maximum they can for the production on the field. Brees is no different. It's just what QBs like Brees get paid. People also forget he was grossly underpaid for his production prior to the contract.

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Someone may want to look at other teams who have lests say less of a QB but can afford deep rosters of talent across the team. If you QB has a bad day - you lose. The other teams not so much.

Hell look at the teams who as of now ranked #1 in their divisions... all of them ranked #1 do not have a top teir QB. Even the Pats who have a 2nd and 3rd string starting ended up iwth a 3-1 record with out Brady.

So don't give me that personal attack about not knowing football - this is fact.

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BEFORE injuries. We lost Lewis and 2 other starters before the season started. We looked pretty solid going in. We would have had what looks to be solid backups too unless ALL starters were injured which is exactly what happened

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We HOPED the defense was better coming in. But you're talking about guys who were part of a horrible defense a year ago. You can't say affirmatively that we were looking better coming in. I had my hopes just like anybody else. But until this regime proves they can develop a defense, I'm not going to sit here and say we'd have a good defense without injuries. We'd be better at corner, for sure. But without a consistent pass rush, even better cornerbacks can't hold up.

Breaux and Ellerbe are impact guys. I haven't seen enough of P.J. Williams, and haven't seen any of Rankins. Kikaha flashed his quickness last year, but was a one trick pony who got easily fazed out too often. So it's really difficult to judge where we'd be. I look forward to getting at least some of them back to see what happens. In the mean time, the offense is going to have to suck it up. They've been very inconsistent so far.

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Majority of our starters the past couple games were suppose to be back ups so in training camp we had depth. Injuries took that depth away. If you listened to Jen Hale before 2nd half started she said Payton told her they were trying to protect the young guys on D with zone but mental mistakes put them out of position so in the 2nd half they were switching to man to make it less complicated. Sounds like good coaching to me.

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The Pats, Vikings, Broncos, perhaps the Eagles all have the blueprint for winning consistently in today's NFL - a talented, aggressive, well-stocked, well-coached defense. When you can stymie the likes of Aaron Rodgers like the Vikings did, you can afford to punt the ball and basically win by default.

If our Dome Patrol existed in today's game, we'd be a more dominant version of the Broncos.

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Im just going to like this post, because you invoked one of my favorite phrases and memories. Dome Patrol!

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The one thing all those teams do well is TACKLE! It's such a basic fundamental, yet our D doesnt do it well. It's like we'd rather get the big hit than make tackle. I'd be interested to see how many yards after touch we're giving up.

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Here you go brother ...

Team Yards After Catch Allowed: 2016 NFL Season

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Fire Sean Payton .

No.

After this season, maybe so and maybe he needs , will want to move on to refresh himself. New challenges.

Whoknows.

No, it cannot stay like this for another year after this year.

Right now, he, his staff, his team have to regroup during the bye week . Maybe yesterday was their turning point.
I am just hoping for a 9-7 season. 8-8 even.

:bng:

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Bill Johnson
Joe Vitt
Greg McMahon

Those are the coaches that nees to be fired!

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Thank you K - ranked #25. I knew it was bad.

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LMAO yeah right

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I hate to say it but for Payton's health he probably needs to get away from the New Orleans culture. Too many temptations here and it's pretty obvious the guy has problems when it comes to having fun recreationally. He's got it made here. He doesn't want to change his lifestyle and the gravy train that is Bensons money. People with his type of personality don't like change.