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spkb25 10-23-2016 03:26 PM

Been very critical of this team, but I think
 
I think we could go 9-7 this season if we get healthy. We need breuax and moore back. We need peat back. Rankins may help too. If this happens I think it is possible.

I think our losses will be Seahawks, Falcons, and Cards

Think we can win every other game

Might be some switches in there, but that's my feeling, we could get to 9-7

RailBoss 10-23-2016 03:33 PM

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Actually today's game was winnable, many missed opportunities.

spkb25 10-23-2016 03:34 PM

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i waited all game for Nick Fairley's mom to show up and provide him extra strength, and just like a typical woman she shows up at an ill advised time

spkb25 10-23-2016 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 724429)
Actually today's game was winnable, many missed opportunities.

yeah, winnable in we should have, no doubt bro

dizzle88 10-23-2016 03:42 PM

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Winnable - Yes

But the past 3 years have shown that this organisation lays down in the face of adversity.

We give Armstead a massive contract and he's yet to play a full game
We give Cam Jordan a massive contract and we can't buy a QB sack

We are dealing with the most injuries because our team is soft.

spkb25 10-23-2016 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 724441)
Winnable - Yes

But the past 3 years have shown that this organisation lays down in the face of adversity.

We give Armstead a massive contract and he's yet to play a full game
We give Cam Jordan a massive contract and we can't buy a QB sack

We are dealing with the most injuries because our team is soft.


if we get breaux, moore, rankins, and peat back I think we could do some stuff...it is possible

dizzle88 10-23-2016 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 724442)
if we get breaux, moore, rankins, and peat back I think we could do some stuff...it is possible

Can't you just feel it though....we'll get those guys back and invent new ways to lose.

spkb25 10-23-2016 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 724445)
Can't you just feel it though....we'll get those guys back and invent new ways to lose.

Jesus I hope not, but anything is possible. I actually think we are better than we were the last two seasons. it could go either way

BTW- I am here all week if you need to hear the obvious lol

dizzle88 10-23-2016 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 724448)
Jesus I hope not, but anything is possible. I actually think we are better than we were the last two seasons. it could go either way

BTW- I am here all week if you need to hear the obvious lol

Haha sorry to be so negative, it's a huge disappointment waiting 8 months for NFL and the team just lays down constantly.

WillSaints81 10-23-2016 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 724441)
Winnable - Yes

But the past 3 years have shown that this organisation lays down in the face of adversity.

We give Armstead a massive contract and he's yet to play a full game
We give Cam Jordan a massive contract and we can't buy a QB sack

We are dealing with the most injuries because our team is soft.

If we didn't he walks. People were planning to steal him from us because they would have paid him.

spkb25 10-23-2016 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 724450)
Haha sorry to be so negative, it's a huge disappointment waiting 8 months for NFL and the team just lays down constantly.

dude you don't have to apologize, I know where you're coming from. I don't know what to expect the rest of the way but I do see a better team than I did the previous two seasons. just need some back end help and who knows, it could happen

AsylumGuido 10-23-2016 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 724450)
Haha sorry to be so negative, it's a huge disappointment waiting 8 months for NFL and the team just lays down constantly.

Being negative is a choice. It is a controllable character trait.

Just saying.

blackangold 10-23-2016 04:30 PM

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Is 9-7 considered a good thing?

Is that where we have come to?

dizzle88 10-23-2016 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 724465)
Being negative is a choice. It is a controllable character trait.

Just saying.

The only way to control it is to going into every game waiting to be surprised, what makes me negative is knowing our team can play better yet they underwhelm so often.

burningmetal 10-23-2016 04:38 PM

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Uh oh, look who has come to tell us how to feel and react, again. Better smile and nod, lest we be accused of treason.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2016 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 724471)
The only way to control it is to going into every game waiting to be surprised, what makes me negative is knowing our team can play better yet they underwhelm so often.

I guess I am wired differently. I go into every week fully expecting to win. If a loss is the result, for whatever reason, I go into the next week with exactly the same expectation. With positivism I finally saw the Saints receive the Lombardi since being a fan as a nine year old in 1967. With the same positive attitude I have remained cancer free since 2010. With the same confidence I have watched two extremely talented sons grow to adulthood.

I have no doubt that the Saints can run the table. I guess that's the way I am wired. Sorry.

spkb25 10-23-2016 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 724470)
Is 9-7 considered a good thing?

Is that where we have come to?

well, I think from 2-4, yeah it is pretty good. and yes at 2-4 that is definitely where we are at brother

AsylumGuido 10-23-2016 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 724474)
Uh oh, look who has come to tell us how to feel and react, again. Better smile and nod, lest we be accused of treason.

Fully expected you to come back a gloat with a Saints loss. :rolleyes:

spkb25 10-23-2016 04:44 PM

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I am certainly not belittling you and you can choose whatever perspective you so desire, but I am wired differently. I stay in reality and know when it feels like we will lose and vice versa. Sometimes I have no feeling at all. I have never had cancer at all and I am pretty negative by all standards.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2016 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 724480)
I am certainly not belittling you and you can choose whatever perspective you so desire, but I am wired differently. I stay in reality and know when it feels like we will lose and vice versa. Sometimes I have no feeling at all. I have never had cancer at all and I am pretty negative by all standards.

I honestly feel for you then. I am sorry. :(

burningmetal 10-23-2016 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 724479)
Fully expected you to come back a gloat with a Saints loss. :rolleyes:

Gloat with a loss? In what way have I gloated anything? I am in here every week giving my take on the game, win or lose. You never have anything substantive to say about ANY game. You strictly wait for an opportunity to insult someone for not blowing sunshine up your butt, and THAT was the point of my comment.

You got "gloating" out of that? Get over yourself.

Your "positivism" does not change the course of a game or season. I have never criticized yours, or anyone else's, positivism about anything. I am positive whenever there is development that warrants it. I'm realistic when there isn't. You don't respect that approach, and run your mouth at the forum over and over again.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2016 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 724490)
Gloat with a loss? In what way have I gloated anything? I am in here every week giving my take on the game, win or lose. You never have anything substantive to say about ANY game. You strictly wait for an opportunity to insult someone for not blowing sunshine up your butt, and THAT was the point of my comment.

You got "gloating" out of that? Get over yourself.

Your "positivism" does not change the course of a game or season. I have never criticized yours, or anyone else's, positivism about anything. I am positive whenever there is development that warrants it. I'm realistic when there isn't. You don't respect that approach, and run your mouth at the forum over and over again.

Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

spkb25 10-23-2016 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 724483)
I honestly feel for you then. I am sorry. :(

don't be. I am more like richard lewis or larry david and I am completely cool with it. Matter of fact when I have to act all happy and sunny side up eggs I feel like a giant fake and a liar

Not correlating you to that at all, talking about how i feel

burningmetal 10-23-2016 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 724492)
Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Spoken like a true adolescent. Couldn't think of anything substantive, again?

AsylumGuido 10-23-2016 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 724494)
don't be. I am more like richard lewis or larry david and I am completely cool with it. Matter of fact when I have to act all happy and sunny side up eggs I feel like a giant fake and a liar

Not correlating you to that at all, talking about how i feel

Honestly, I used to feel the same way. I changed my whole way of thinking when I was first diagnosed. At that point I made it a point to ALWAYS think the best. I really, truly feel that attitude can affect outcomes. I understand where you are coming from. I was there once in life in general.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2016 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 724496)
Spoken like a true adolescent. Couldn't think of anything substantive, again?

Nothing more needed, brother.

CharityMike 10-23-2016 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 724490)
Gloat with a loss? In what way have I gloated anything? I am in here every week giving my take on the game, win or lose. You never have anything substantive to say about ANY game. You strictly wait for an opportunity to insult someone for not blowing sunshine up your butt, and THAT was the point of my comment.

You got "gloating" out of that? Get over yourself.

Your "positivism" does not change the course of a game or season. I have never criticized yours, or anyone else's, positivism about anything. I am positive whenever there is development that warrants it. I'm realistic when there isn't. You don't respect that approach, and run your mouth at the forum over and over again.


Can't disagree with him here Asylum. As much as you have complained about the forum turning into a bunch of whiners well what Burning said is a 100% spot on to what you have turned into.

dizzle88 10-23-2016 05:21 PM

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Nothing wrong with complaining, for the past 3 seasons the team has been an embarrassment. Everyone knows changes need to be made, I personally believe it's time to start over without Payton, Loomis and all his coaching buddies.

I like to go into sundays excited about the game, but the Saints always manage to dampen my spirits somehow.

Like last week, I was ecstatic when we were 21-0 up, then it was 38-38 with 11 seconds to go. That shouldn't happen and it starts with Payton.

burningmetal 10-23-2016 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 724499)
Nothing more needed, brother.

What's needed is for you to give an explanation as to how you think I am "gloating" after a loss, when I clearly did nothing but point out the holier than thou nature of your comments in this forum.

You neglected to even attempt to explain yourself. A real person doesn't accuse without cause, or explanation, brother.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2016 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 724500)
Can't disagree with him here Asylum. As much as you have complained about the forum turning into a bunch of whiners well what Burning said is a 100% spot on to what you have turned into.

It is easy to ***** and whine, Mike. It is much harder to accept what you have absolutely no control over and staying positive regardless of outcomes. I am not stupid. I know what the limitations are concerning the Saints. I also have the common sense to know that *****ing and moaning cannot bring players back from the IR. Nor can it un-draft players, or un-sign free agents. I can certainly see others recognize the same facts. But to unrelentingly bring up those unarguable facts over and over and over again, and repeatedly denigrate the team that I have loved since the beginning chaps my ass.

Pardon my fanaticism.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2016 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 724501)
Nothing wrong with complaining, for the past 3 seasons the team has been an embarrassment. Everyone knows changes need to be made, I personally believe it's time to start over without Payton, Loomis and all his coaching buddies.

I like to go into sundays excited about the game, but the Saints always manage to dampen my spirits somehow.

Like last week, I was ecstatic when we were 21-0 up, then it was 38-38 with 11 seconds to go. That shouldn't happen and it starts with Payton.

Forty plus of the last fifty years have been what many here would see as far worse than an embarrassment. When I look back over my life I can see quite a few periods which I might wish were handled differently. But I know they are all a part of the process of life.

Things aligned in my life to make things better. Things are aligning with the Saints to make them better, as well. Those things can happen this season and with positive thoughts they have a better chance of success.

blackangold 10-23-2016 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 724478)
well, I think from 2-4, yeah it is pretty good. and yes at 2-4 that is definitely where we are at brother

Yes, 9-7 would be good considering where we are, no doubt.

Just a sad low point for this team as its getting harder and harder to remember the good times.

Feel bad for Brees, he deserves so many more rings and it's likely he'll get no more.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2016 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 724507)
Yes, 9-7 would be good considering where we are, no doubt.

Just a sad low point for this team as its getting harder and harder to remember the good times.

Feel bad for Brees, he deserves so many more rings and it's likely he'll get no more.

It is getting harder and harder for me to remember the days when 9-7 would have been phenomenal. Dan Marino deserved rings and he never got one. Fran Tarkenton deserved rings and he never got one. Great quarterbacks throughout NFL history were, regardless of individual talent, part of a team as a whole.

Drew Brees DEMANDED a no trade clause in his contract because he wanted to be a Saint the remainder of his career, win or lose. Don't feel bad for Brees.

burningmetal 10-23-2016 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 724505)
Forty plus of the last fifty years have been what many here would see as far worse than an embarrassment. When I look back over my life I can see quite a few periods which I might wish were handled differently. But I know they are all a part of the process of life.

Things aligned in my life to make things better. Things are aligning with the Saints to make them better, as well. Those things can happen this season and with positive thoughts they have a better chance of success.

We all have different experiences in life that cause us to feel any number of different ways. You don't have the first clue what I, or anyone else here have experienced. Some people you might say are over the top negative, but a lot of people also just state the obvious, and when you are 2-4, the obvious isn't pretty.

People, myself included, want to blow off some steam after a frustrating loss and talk about what we saw.

But your attempt at convincing all of us that your motivation for chastising us is based on your need to "think positive" holds no weight when you come here to complain about people. If it stresses you out to read a realistic take on a game, then find another activity. I'm not in the business of telling people what to do with their time, but honestly, if you were so hell bent on positive thoughts you wouldn't be in here complaining about everyone.

Simply disagreeing would suffice. You claim you used to be negative. Yet because you have supposedly become captain positive, you have the right to call others whiners? You clearly lack humility.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2016 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 724510)
We all have different experiences in life that cause us to feel any number of different ways. You don't have the first clue what I, or anyone else here have experienced. Some people you might say are over the top negative, but a lot of people also just state the obvious, and when you are 2-4, the obvious isn't pretty.

People, myself included, want to blow off some steam after a frustrating loss and talk about what we saw.

But your attempt at convincing all of us that your motivation for chastising us is based on your need to "think positive" holds no weight when you come here to complain about people. If it stresses you out to read a realistic take on a game, then find another activity. I'm not in the business of telling people what to do with their time, but honestly, if you were so hell bent on positive thoughts you wouldn't be in here complaining about everyone.

Simply disagreeing would suffice. You claim you used to be negative. Yet because you have supposedly become captain positive, you have the right to call others whiners? You clearly lack humility.

It is telling that there are less than five people here than I can identify as over the top negative and a couple that are borderline. Yet, I have had many more agree with my concerns.

darksoul35 10-23-2016 06:19 PM

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I don't know if the defense is even going to get better with everyone healthy but I love the way the offense looks compared to the last few seasons. If Snead grabs the throw that hit him dead in his hands and MI holds on to the damn ball we are probably still winning this game. I still believe in this team.

burningmetal 10-23-2016 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 724512)
It is telling that there are less than five people here than I can identify as over the top negative and a couple that are borderline. Yet, I have had many more agree with my concerns.

I'm calling BS on that. You have just about turned yourself into public enemy number one around here. Also, it is impossible that you have only identified 5 people as being over the top negative. There are a very large number of people who come here stating their disappointment in some form or fashion. You complain about ALL of them. You can't stand for anyone to question or doubt, or complain (as you would put it) about anything. That means you consider all of those people overly negative.

I don't consider you my enemy. I am just long since fed up with the condescension. You seem to want to make enemies, however.

jeanpierre 10-23-2016 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 724515)
I don't know if the defense is even going to get better with everyone healthy but I love the way the offense looks compared to the last few seasons. If Snead grabs the throw that hit him dead in his hands and MI holds on to the damn ball we are probably still winning this game. I still believe in this team.

DS, the defense held (if you want to call it that) the Chiefs defense to 326 total yards on offense (112 rushing, 214 passing)...

It was the sloppy play (mistackles and penalties) that really did the Saints in today...

The Saints gave away this game to the Chiefs today; and that's probably the worst rub of all...

Payton and the defensive coaches need to take a real, hard look at mistackles - it's really the difference these past three years on defense...

Saint in Aus 10-23-2016 08:06 PM

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It's funny because for periods of games our D has looked amazing, then, in the periods where they aren't on, they look god awful and get cut up far too easily. This is what it comes down to, our D cannot hold up for long enough. Not really sure the reason for this but I don't think it is personnel.

RailBoss 10-23-2016 08:11 PM

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Man you said it with the poor tackling it stands out like a sore thumb.


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