Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?

lumm0x · 10-25-2016, 10:53 AM

We are better off with Vaccaro and Bell playing safety position. Byrd was a huge bust at FA obviously. He is pulling a Browner and just cashing a cheque. I like that KV is stepping into faces and manning up. We need to build around that leadership and not run it away.

jeanpierre · 10-25-2016, 11:44 AM

Good for Vaccaro, really glad to see him come into his own not only as a player, but defensive leader...

Byrd has been as bad for this team as Galette was - ship him out now, with a 2017 4th round pick if necessary...

If you can get rid of Westbank for not being available, not embracing the team, not going along to get along then...

You need to move guys like Byrd, Ellerbe, hell, even Cam Jordan, if they're not giving, earning their value...

K Major · 10-25-2016, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You need to move guys like Byrd, Ellerbe, hell, even Cam Jordan, if they're giving their value...

He certainly has performed poorly. Devante' (Falcons) abused him in the open field and the Ware (KC) mis tackle was equally bad.

Chalk it up as a failed experiment ... expensive one at that.

Rell&Gold · 10-25-2016, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by MatthewT

Not really sure what the deal is with Byrd, but it is fairly obvious he is not playing well. Is he being used properly, did he ever fully recover from all the injuries? KV calling him out, is that an indication maybe he isn't putting forth full effort? Problem is right now whatever the issue(s) is, the Saints are stuck. Vonn Bell started a couple weeks back and looked even worse...

There's no way in HELL Von Bell looked worse than Byrd he would have to done Absolute zero nada on the field to be worse

Rell&Gold · 10-25-2016, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

I said it when we signed him and I will say it again. Kenny is not the SS the saints need to team with Byrd. Neither are any of the other SS on the roster. A younger Harper would have worked probably

Saints once again signed a player that over the years they did not get a player to maximize their investment

What kind of Safety is that? Harper was more LB than Safety

dizzle88 · 10-25-2016, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

There's no way in HELL Von Bell looked worse than Byrd he would have to done Absolute zero nada on the field to be worse

I hope it's just growing pains but in the carolina game, Vonn Bell completely ignored an overthrown ball to go and hit a receiver, that is why we don't force turnovers, because our guys are dumb!

CharityMike · 10-25-2016, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I hope it's just growing pains but in the carolina game, Vonn Bell completely ignored an overthrown ball to go and hit a receiver, that is why we don't force turnovers, because our guys are dumb!

I can't disagree with this. It didn't happen in the KC game but in previous games, if you are a DB running with a receiver or behind the receiver and you are looking RIGHT at the receiver and all of a sudden you are about to run him over, wouldn't you think to look for the ball? No..not our guys, we run the receiver over instead.

And just because its the way things go when you are not very good, In the KC game, Crawley finally looked for the ball and got the fumble feet and fell over and let the receiver catch the ball anyway.

I understand these guys are backups, but ffs, do you not learn how to play the football?

dizzle88 · 10-25-2016, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by CharityMike

I can't disagree with this. It didn't happen in the KC game but in previous games, if you are a DB running with a receiver or behind the receiver and you are looking RIGHT at the receiver and all of a sudden you are about to run him over, wouldn't you think to look for the ball? No..not our guys, we run the receiver over instead.

And just because its the way things go when you are not very good, In the KC game, Crawley finally looked for the ball and got the fumble feet and fell over and let the receiver catch the ball anyway.

I understand these guys are backups, but ffs, do you not learn how to play the football?

Also, the play I mentioned above I watched it over and over, after the play Vaccaro literally stands infront of Bell with his hands up like "what the f*** are you doing, why not intercept the pass??"

Vaccaro looked visibly annoyed, to me he is the only guy playing with any passion at all.

WillSaints81 · 10-26-2016, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by darksoul35

I played him too but still lost fan duel.

He wasn't the big play. It was AJ Green.

WillSaints81 · 10-26-2016, 04:14 PM

Vacarro though isn't exactly creating turnovers himself. He may be doing all the other things well but not that.

10-25-2016, 10:53 AM	#21
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss? We are better off with Vaccaro and Bell playing safety position. Byrd was a huge bust at FA obviously. He is pulling a Browner and just cashing a cheque. I like that KV is stepping into faces and manning up. We need to build around that leadership and not run it away. jnormand, jeanpierre, CharityMike and 1 others like this.

10-25-2016, 11:44 AM	#22
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss? Good for Vaccaro, really glad to see him come into his own not only as a player, but defensive leader... Byrd has been as bad for this team as Galette was - ship him out now, with a 2017 4th round pick if necessary... If you can get rid of Westbank for not being available, not embracing the team, not going along to get along then... You need to move guys like Byrd, Ellerbe, hell, even Cam Jordan, if they're not giving, earning their value... CharityMike, Rell&Gold and ctsaint01 like this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss? Originally Posted by jeanpierre You need to move guys like Byrd, Ellerbe, hell, even Cam Jordan, if they're giving their value... He certainly has performed poorly. Devante' (Falcons) abused him in the open field and the Ware (KC) mis tackle was equally bad. Chalk it up as a failed experiment ... expensive one at that.

10-25-2016, 04:12 PM	#24
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss? Originally Posted by MatthewT Not really sure what the deal is with Byrd, but it is fairly obvious he is not playing well. Is he being used properly, did he ever fully recover from all the injuries? KV calling him out, is that an indication maybe he isn't putting forth full effort? Problem is right now whatever the issue(s) is, the Saints are stuck. Vonn Bell started a couple weeks back and looked even worse... There's no way in HELL Von Bell looked worse than Byrd he would have to done Absolute zero nada on the field to be worse

10-25-2016, 04:15 PM	#25
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss? Originally Posted by hagan714 I said it when we signed him and I will say it again. Kenny is not the SS the saints need to team with Byrd. Neither are any of the other SS on the roster. A younger Harper would have worked probably Saints once again signed a player that over the years they did not get a player to maximize their investment What kind of Safety is that? Harper was more LB than Safety

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss? Originally Posted by Rell&Gold There's no way in HELL Von Bell looked worse than Byrd he would have to done Absolute zero nada on the field to be worse I hope it's just growing pains but in the carolina game, Vonn Bell completely ignored an overthrown ball to go and hit a receiver, that is why we don't force turnovers, because our guys are dumb!

10-25-2016, 06:28 PM	#27
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss? Originally Posted by dizzle88 I hope it's just growing pains but in the carolina game, Vonn Bell completely ignored an overthrown ball to go and hit a receiver, that is why we don't force turnovers, because our guys are dumb! I can't disagree with this. It didn't happen in the KC game but in previous games, if you are a DB running with a receiver or behind the receiver and you are looking RIGHT at the receiver and all of a sudden you are about to run him over, wouldn't you think to look for the ball? No..not our guys, we run the receiver over instead. And just because its the way things go when you are not very good, In the KC game, Crawley finally looked for the ball and got the fumble feet and fell over and let the receiver catch the ball anyway. I understand these guys are backups, but ffs, do you not learn how to play the football? dizzle88 likes this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss? Originally Posted by CharityMike I can't disagree with this. It didn't happen in the KC game but in previous games, if you are a DB running with a receiver or behind the receiver and you are looking RIGHT at the receiver and all of a sudden you are about to run him over, wouldn't you think to look for the ball? No..not our guys, we run the receiver over instead. And just because its the way things go when you are not very good, In the KC game, Crawley finally looked for the ball and got the fumble feet and fell over and let the receiver catch the ball anyway. I understand these guys are backups, but ffs, do you not learn how to play the football? Also, the play I mentioned above I watched it over and over, after the play Vaccaro literally stands infront of Bell with his hands up like "what the f*** are you doing, why not intercept the pass??" Vaccaro looked visibly annoyed, to me he is the only guy playing with any passion at all.

10-26-2016, 04:11 PM	#29
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss? Originally Posted by darksoul35 I played him too but still lost fan duel. He wasn't the big play. It was AJ Green.

10-26-2016, 04:14 PM	#30
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss? Vacarro though isn't exactly creating turnovers himself. He may be doing all the other things well but not that.

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