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WhoDat!656 10-24-2016 08:35 AM

Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
“I think more guys need to want to be great. I feel like we need more of that. I feel like accepting mediocrity, being average, is starting to float around a little bit. Why would you want that for yourself? Doesn’t everyone want to be great?”

“If you sitting here making the same mistakes, being a repeat offender after coaches have pointed out your mistakes…you simply don’t care, you don’t mind being mediocre”

“I think guys on this team need to look themselves in the eye and really, truly, analyze yourself. Are you helping the team or are you a selfish player right now?”~ Saints strong safety Kenny Vaccaro, after the Saints 27-21 loss to Kansas City yesterday

Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro "Call Out" Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?

WillMacKenzie 10-24-2016 08:45 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
I think KV is going to take the first train out of New Orleans, to be honest. He's got that pebble in his shoe, and it's starting to eat a hole through the bottom of his foot.

Rell&Gold 10-24-2016 08:54 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Yea I can see him leaving, could you blame him?

Danno 10-24-2016 08:59 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
I heard the conversation live. It took me a few minutes, but he was definitely talking about Byrd, no doubt.

Maybe a few others as well, but definitely Byrd.

Rell&Gold 10-24-2016 09:01 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Good we need more KV's on the defense, truth tellers

K Major 10-24-2016 09:11 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
** Cough, cough *** ...

http://image.nola.com/home/nola-medi...237-mmmain.jpg

Danno 10-24-2016 09:12 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
He also stated that it was not the coaches. KC ran everything the coaches said they'd run.

KV said they knew every play KC ran at them.

Rell&Gold 10-24-2016 09:22 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
No exaggeration there they ran the same plays over & over & over

ChrisXVI 10-24-2016 10:06 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
This seems like a good time to share that incredible Jairus Byrd highlight video that some of you may have seen floating around elsewhere. If this video doesn't pump you up I don't know what will!


brees84 10-24-2016 11:13 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
We are basically playing with 10 man on defense. Byrd is that bad. On passing plays, nowhere near football. On running plays he doesn't tackle.


2017 dead money (post june 1 cut): 3,4mil

Euphoria 10-24-2016 12:41 PM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Well I thank Byrd because I played Spencer Ware on my fantasy team.

I mean I would start anyone playing against our D.

7-0

QBREES9 10-24-2016 01:02 PM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Call out everyone!

dizzle88 10-24-2016 02:20 PM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
We can't buy a turnover, KC stacks ingram up and punches the ball out making it look so easy.

K Major 10-24-2016 02:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 724634)
We can't buy a turnover, KC stacks ingram up and punches the ball out making it look so easy.

But you know what Diz, that's Chiefs football. Opportunistic, ball hawks and sound tacklers.

As of today, KC is ranked #4 in team take-Aways.

MatthewT 10-25-2016 04:37 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Not really sure what the deal is with Byrd, but it is fairly obvious he is not playing well. Is he being used properly, did he ever fully recover from all the injuries? KV calling him out, is that an indication maybe he isn't putting forth full effort? Problem is right now whatever the issue(s) is, the Saints are stuck. Vonn Bell started a couple weeks back and looked even worse...

hagan714 10-25-2016 06:36 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
I said it when we signed him and I will say it again. Kenny is not the SS the saints need to team with Byrd. Neither are any of the other SS on the roster. A younger Harper would have worked probably

Saints once again signed a player that over the years they did not get a player to maximize their investment

darksoul35 10-25-2016 07:40 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 724616)
Well I thank Byrd because I played Spencer Ware on my fantasy team.

I mean I would start anyone playing against our D.

7-0

I played him too but still lost fan duel.

K Major 10-25-2016 08:42 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 724597)
No exaggeration there they ran the same plays over & over & over

And 3rd and long is still killing this team defensively.

Circle back to Deuce's comments in training camp ... our inability to set the edge is a major problem.

st thomas 10-25-2016 09:13 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
byrd is another cat that got payed and wants to be cut to run the streets and say look at me, young dumb and full of sh%t.

st thomas 10-25-2016 09:20 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
contain contain, contain, thm words are still hammered in my brain from years ago, some one has to stay on the edges turn them in and let the bulls run him over. my 9 year old grandboy can do it why cant the saints, how many years we have been fighting the edge, that cutback, do u remember jam charles i believe in the dome the last time K.C. came over same crap.

lumm0x 10-25-2016 09:53 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
We are better off with Vaccaro and Bell playing safety position. Byrd was a huge bust at FA obviously. He is pulling a Browner and just cashing a cheque. I like that KV is stepping into faces and manning up. We need to build around that leadership and not run it away.

jeanpierre 10-25-2016 10:44 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Good for Vaccaro, really glad to see him come into his own not only as a player, but defensive leader...

Byrd has been as bad for this team as Galette was - ship him out now, with a 2017 4th round pick if necessary...

If you can get rid of Westbank for not being available, not embracing the team, not going along to get along then...

You need to move guys like Byrd, Ellerbe, hell, even Cam Jordan, if they're not giving, earning their value...

K Major 10-25-2016 10:57 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 724747)

You need to move guys like Byrd, Ellerbe, hell, even Cam Jordan, if they're giving their value...

He certainly has performed poorly. Devante' (Falcons) abused him in the open field and the Ware (KC) mis tackle was equally bad.

Chalk it up as a failed experiment ... expensive one at that.

Rell&Gold 10-25-2016 03:12 PM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 724719)
Not really sure what the deal is with Byrd, but it is fairly obvious he is not playing well. Is he being used properly, did he ever fully recover from all the injuries? KV calling him out, is that an indication maybe he isn't putting forth full effort? Problem is right now whatever the issue(s) is, the Saints are stuck. Vonn Bell started a couple weeks back and looked even worse...

There's no way in HELL Von Bell looked worse than Byrd he would have to done Absolute zero nada on the field to be worse

Rell&Gold 10-25-2016 03:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 724723)
I said it when we signed him and I will say it again. Kenny is not the SS the saints need to team with Byrd. Neither are any of the other SS on the roster. A younger Harper would have worked probably

Saints once again signed a player that over the years they did not get a player to maximize their investment

What kind of Safety is that? Harper was more LB than Safety

dizzle88 10-25-2016 04:57 PM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 724766)
There's no way in HELL Von Bell looked worse than Byrd he would have to done Absolute zero nada on the field to be worse

I hope it's just growing pains but in the carolina game, Vonn Bell completely ignored an overthrown ball to go and hit a receiver, that is why we don't force turnovers, because our guys are dumb!

CharityMike 10-25-2016 05:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 724780)
I hope it's just growing pains but in the carolina game, Vonn Bell completely ignored an overthrown ball to go and hit a receiver, that is why we don't force turnovers, because our guys are dumb!

I can't disagree with this. It didn't happen in the KC game but in previous games, if you are a DB running with a receiver or behind the receiver and you are looking RIGHT at the receiver and all of a sudden you are about to run him over, wouldn't you think to look for the ball? No..not our guys, we run the receiver over instead.

And just because its the way things go when you are not very good, In the KC game, Crawley finally looked for the ball and got the fumble feet and fell over and let the receiver catch the ball anyway.

I understand these guys are backups, but ffs, do you not learn how to play the football?

dizzle88 10-25-2016 05:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 724790)
I can't disagree with this. It didn't happen in the KC game but in previous games, if you are a DB running with a receiver or behind the receiver and you are looking RIGHT at the receiver and all of a sudden you are about to run him over, wouldn't you think to look for the ball? No..not our guys, we run the receiver over instead.

And just because its the way things go when you are not very good, In the KC game, Crawley finally looked for the ball and got the fumble feet and fell over and let the receiver catch the ball anyway.

I understand these guys are backups, but ffs, do you not learn how to play the football?

Also, the play I mentioned above I watched it over and over, after the play Vaccaro literally stands infront of Bell with his hands up like "what the f*** are you doing, why not intercept the pass??"

Vaccaro looked visibly annoyed, to me he is the only guy playing with any passion at all.

WillSaints81 10-26-2016 03:11 PM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 724726)
I played him too but still lost fan duel.

He wasn't the big play. It was AJ Green.

WillSaints81 10-26-2016 03:14 PM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Vacarro though isn't exactly creating turnovers himself. He may be doing all the other things well but not that.

CharityMike 10-26-2016 05:03 PM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
The back end is going to continue to struggle because the front 7 aren't doing sh!t. Until we get the front 7 fixed, we are going to continue to struggle.

dizzle88 10-26-2016 05:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 724960)
The back end is going to continue to struggle because the front 7 aren't doing sh!t. Until we get the front 7 fixed, we are going to continue to struggle.

Good thing we are paying Cam Jordan 12 mil a year!

neugey 10-26-2016 05:41 PM

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I have nothing against Byrd personally, but from what I've seen on the field he has a great future as a matador.

Supertek 10-27-2016 08:15 AM

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The D line exposes our secondary for too long when protection is good and no penetration any defense will likely to break down.

Rugby Saint II 10-27-2016 11:53 AM

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DAMN STRAIGHT!!!

Audiotom 10-28-2016 12:29 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
Byrd s never there over the top to help out
Receiverscan turn him around - totally misses the angle for an open field tackle

Bell had a poor start but he needs to jump in and get experience

blackangold 10-28-2016 01:05 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
I'll agree that the front 7 is the real problem on D, Byrd is absolutely trash, he may be one of the worst FA signings ever. If they cut him tomorrow we would be a better team.

burningmetal 10-28-2016 02:17 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
I'm sure he was talking about a lot of people. Byrd isn't the only one who isn't contributing squat. But he's the highest paid, and seems to be the one who tries the least. He ALWAYS over runs the ball carrier whenever they break into the secondary. That burns me more than anything. It's bad enough to get blown by in coverage, but tackling is a basic thing that is all about effort. He doesn't seem to give a crap about it.

This guy was an all pro before he got here. I know it isn't because he CAN'T. He just won't. I can't even begin to imagine why.

jeanpierre 10-28-2016 07:17 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
The Saints Personnel Decision Makers have got to continue to address the front seven, especially since they blew up the 3-4 plans and went 4-3 with Dennis Allen...

We need two starting defensive ends, with one of those spelling Cam Jordan who's been virtually ineffective the past couple of seasons, only getting his sacks in bunches against backup linemen...

With Fairley trending upward, we've got a good start on the interior with Rankins (healthy), Fairley, Onyemata and Davison; but the edge defenders are just not getting it done; Now Onyemata was supposedly going to get looks on the edge, but haven't seen that yet...

Mardigras9 10-28-2016 08:35 AM

Re: Did Saints Safety Kenny Vaccaro “Call Out” Jairus Byrd After K.C. Loss?
 
So many big plays that have been given up that could have been contained are direct results of Byrd being out of position.
It has to be embarrassing for the defensive players (who care) to constantly see a top offense and bottom dweller defense. Doesn't take a genius to figure out how we are not competing for a post season spot.


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