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I have watched the play several times. Here it is on this page.

From the time when Brees begins his release until the ball reaches Snead three seconds elapse. As the ball nears Snead, Berry is still behind Snead and moving pretty much at full speed and dives toward the ball and gets the tip. In that three second window Berry was most likely four to five yards behind Snead at the beginning of the Brees release. You can try to put that on Brees if you wish, but it was a tremendous play by Berry as the announcers point out.

Re: Bree's lost a step?
 

After watching the play a couple things become apparent.

Ingram was wide open, Brees panicked as Jahri completely lost his man.
Brees threw off his back foot and the ball hung in the air, a split second earlier or if Brees had located Ingram and it's a first down.

Just overall a bad play, multiple people could be blamed on this play, Brees is not exempt from blame but he just panicked because he had pressure coming right up the gut as he finished his drop back.

My blame goes on Jahri for the awful blocking.

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I only saw it live once, but it was in the middle of my girls college showcase fastpitch tourney, but yeah wish that play turned out different. I'm ready for Seattle game now.

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Hey, BusDriver, do you own both VW's in your avatar and profile pics?

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I didn't say it wasn't a good play by Berry. If defenders were never anywhere near the ball and didn't make any plays, we wouldn't be talking about bad offensive plays. That doesn't make the throw a good one, either. I didn't go back and watch the replay. I'm going strictly by memory, and I know that he had a lineman in his face and threw high into traffic, in the middle of the field. That's a big no-no in this game, and we all know that. You said it took three seconds from the time he began his release to the time it reached Snead. I can't confirm that, having not looked at the replay. But if that's true, that is a LONG time to release a ball and throw it 10 or 15 yards. That would indicate he lofted it up too much, which only makes it even more of a mistake.

But I don't honestly remember the velocity of the throw. I just know throwing high over the middle is a mistake. Taking nothing away from Berry... But Berry doesn't make that play if Drew makes a better decision. We're just analyzing one play, though. Overall, I thought Drew played pretty well, other than the numerous times he lost track of the play clock. Penalties and the Ingram fumble were the main culprits for the loss.

The defense held for the most part, by their standards, but they missed a lot of tackles that could have made their day look a lot better. So it's not like I'm blaming the loss on Brees. But the interception was a bad decision, in my opinion.

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has Brees EVER done anything wrong in your eyes? every post you make somehow circles around to Brees never being responsible for anything.

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Its nice to see TheDude is still posting bullsh*t

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Our offence isn't even remotely our biggest problem. Just take a look at scores against this season. Our D has no consistency whatsoever. Flashes of brilliance but miles off the consistency it needs to be. We need to make plays for the D-line whether that be in the draft or in FA. And not these ridiculously **** deals like the one we gave to Byrd.

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You mean it isn't Brees' fault? Oh, my!

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Of course he has. Just not on that occasion.

Oh, and nice seeing you FINALLY spelling his name right after all this time.

Bree's

WTF?

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Maybe you need to take a few minutes and actually watch it again. There was no player "in his face" as the player that had released was a full three yards away when Brees released the ball. And, I wouldn't call the pass that high in trajectory and it wasn't into traffic as the man closest to Snead was Berry, several yards behind him when the pass was thrown. There wasn't another player within a yard or more when the pass was first deflected by Berry on the dive. The deflected pass caromed to the right of Snead and right into the hands of Sorenson that was moving in from that direction.

I'm sorry, but if you are trying to go off memory of a play you saw once live on a TV, you are at a GREAT disadvantage. Before making my first comment I had watched the video at least ten times. Before making my last comment I have watched the video at least twenty times.

I even provided the link to the video to give you a chance.

Wow!

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Anyone who posts in this thread has lost a step...
:grandpa:

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What you don't realize is that I don't need a replay to jog my memory on everything. I have a very good memory. And by the way, I never said I only saw it once. I saw the replay during the game several times. But I hadn't watched anything since Sunday. I simply didn't initially bother with your link because for one, I didn't feel the need, and it's an NFL.com video player. It's almost impossible to see anything on my 8 year old computer using that garbage.

But since you're going to whine about it, I decided to click your link and play it about a dozen times to try to see anything differently from what I remembered. It was exactly as I remembered.

You say the guy is three yards away, but the problem is he's coming straight through, almost untouched giving drew about a split second to get that throw over him. He's got his hands in the air, as I said before, which forces drew to have to throw high. You know how many times he's had his passes tipped at the line of scrimmage, even when he had time to throw? Tons of times. He's short, as has been documented.

The throw was absolutely on a high trajectory, which prevents the receiver from being able to shield the defender with his body. The defender jumps over the top and deflects it, and the rest is history. Good play by the defense but an ill-advised pass. And yes, he threw into traffic. It's the freaking MIDDLE of the field. You have the guy who tips it and the guy who intercepts it. You can take some chances down the sidelines where you don't have people hanging around to pick off a batted ball. It wasn't triple coverage-type traffic, but the middle of the field is not where you just throw it up like that.

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LOL! You are one stubborn SOB (and I say that complimentary). You and I both know that Brees has made a living with those passes over the middle and has fit it into much smaller holes than appeared on that play. Snead was in a match-up advantage out of the slot and was open on the play. If you freeze the frame you will see that Berry is the only Chief player within five yards of Snead as the ball approaches. Berry dives at the last instant and reaches UNDER Snead's left arm deflecting the ball up into Snead's face. Sorenson was five yards up the field and to the left when the ball was tipped. He was coming into the play, mostly likely expecting to make the tackle, when the ball luckily (for him) bounced directly into his hands.

That exact play would have been a 13 yard play and a 1st down a very high percentage of the time. Only an outstanding athletic play by one of the best safeties in the game over his full career caused the incompletion. A one in a million lucky bounce turned the deflection into an interception. Brees has had plenty of picks in his career that were on him, just like every good QB, but this was not one of them.

You had your mind made up and will continue to place the blame on Brees, for whatever reason, but an unbiased individual that's breaks the play down cannot come to that conclusion.

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Yes I do and a beetle too. My buses, a 1967 westy and a 1965 singlecab, the beetle is a 65 sunroof. Ok I relooked at my profile, those are actually the same bus, the 67 westy, just a couple of changes over the years. lol

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Very cool! I do a lot of picking for my wife's business and have been thinking that a VW bus would be great for that with the mileage and space some day.

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What? Why do we have to put up with this crap.

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Because our team is awful.

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The pick 6 in KC was not his fault. He has had a lot of pick 6es that hit the receiver right in the hands.

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Lol. Guido, I might be stubborn when it comes to some things in life, but this isn't one of them. I didn't merely make up my mind because of what I wanted to believe. I made up my mind based on what I saw. Judging by the fact that you never allow any critique on Brees, I would say you might be the stubborn one on this subject.

It wasn't the most egregious pick he's ever thrown. He's made some awful mistakes, like that underhanded toss straight into the hands of Falcon defender while he was being taken down a few years back. Or the numerous times he's tried to squeeze the ball into triple coverage.

You had one thing right, and that is that we know he tries to make those tight throws all the time. There's a time to try that, and there are times not to. This wasn't really a tight window throw, though. It was a pass he lofted up over the middle. Eric Berry was the closest player, but there were several players right in that area. If you're going to make that throw you better get it there quicker, or throw it low. But as I pointed out, he would have thrown it right into that lineman if he tried to throw it low. It was a forced throw. If you want to say that the INT, itself, wasn't his fault because it was tipped, be my guest. But the pass still wasn't about to be a good one.

If it had been caught, I would have said Snead bailed him out. I think QB's get too much credit for plays that could get their receivers killed. Sometimes the receivers make the play and not the QB. But this play was not saved by the receiver, so instead of calling it a bad pass, you want me to heap all the praise on Berry. I gave him his due. That doesn't mean it was a good pass.

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It's spell check you moron

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Brees made a mistake, but at the end of the day I can't even fathom how to make those split second decisions and to do it with all of the preread stuff that goes on. It is fairly amazing. Drew is an amazing quarterback, we will probably never have another this good. That is one of the plays that cost us the game. I think 3 plays specifically hurt:

the int for td
the ingram fumble
and the fairley "I feel the Holy Spirit" toss

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Weigh that against all the plays he made to win games. Including our Super Bowl year.