Bree's lost a step?
 

His accuracy is going kaput. Who is out there to draft? There is definitely nobody in the league now that would hold a candle to him. I think his contract was structured the way it is to benefit both parties. Saints get a year or two to draft and develop someone and Brees gets the opportunity to play for someone else for a year or two. It's got to happen but how? How are the prospects?

Bree's is still playing at an all pro level and will be a top 5 Qb again after this year. There is not a whole lot of blame to put on the guy. Qbs throw interceptions it happens.

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No offense, but this is kind of a ****post

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I'm a bit confused by this, myself. You said his accuracy is going "kaput" and that he's playing like an all-pro, in the same post. Those two things sort of contradict one another. It's gotta be either one or the other.

Also, what's up with the apostrophe in his name?

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Don't worry. Drew's accuracy this season, 68.5%, is still above his career average, 66.4%, and his career average is the highest in the history of the NFL.

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Brees would be even better if our O-line was stable.
Stable as in consistent personnel wise and production in the run game.
I'm sure Brees would be happy anywhere near 30/30 run/pass.
If we could consistently get 4-5 yards on 1st down, it would change everything.
If we could consistently run convert on 3rd-and-1, that would be a big plus.
At the moment play action doesn't freeze anybody. Other teams are not even concerned.
They know Brees is going to throw 40+ times, so the run for them is an after thought,
because it seems to be an after thought for us too.
Whoever Drew's replacement is will inherit the same predicament unless
Payton decides to do something about it.
We have to develop a run game to take the pressure off whoever comes next.
Drew can handle carrying that kind of load - proven - can't see who else could.
Escapability might be the only advantage some new guy might have.
And that has proven dangerous in recent years.

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What?

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This is a reactionary thread to something that someone (me) posted in another thread.
Part of my post said that I bet my son $20 that Drew would throw a pick6 in KC.
Someone (Dude) took that to mean that Drew throws more overall ints than other QBs.
He HAS thrown, to my mind, a lot more pick6s that other great QBs over the years.
That is why I made the bet with my son and also why I won that bet.
Now we have another sarcastic-ass thread trolling Brees' perceived decline.
Check the time codes from the reply to my post to the start of this thread.

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Brees is playing lights out. Hard to believe he is doing so well without a running game, without a screen passing game, and without having all the starting lineman most of the year.

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yeah and he did that against a team playing at home with what was touted as a really good backend

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once again every time Drew steps on the field he has to score. That is never good.

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The only thing I don't like is it appears to me Drew is panicking a little too much and throwing the ball away a little too quick. It is better than throwing a pick or taking a hard hit but I wouldn't mind seeing him maybe scramble a bit and gain a couple positive yards then slide. I much prefer 2nd and 7 over 2nd and 10. Still allows the chance to run the ball.

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:bs:

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And if the Saints scored more points than the team they're playing they'd win.

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Saintfan is confused by this here thread.


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Brees has looked better this season than his previous three, IMHO...

Some of that has to do with an experienced burner in Cooks, a fast, healthy "X" receiver in Thomas and a a very good, rock-solid underneath guy in Snead IV...

But I'd agree we need to acquire our "Steve Young" now and not when Brees or his contract run out...

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That pick was on butterfingers, not Drew. Many of INTs (as all QBs) are from good throws.

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Can we save these until we see an actual decline

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I didn't see where you said any of that, but you weren't wrong. I believe he has the most pick sixes in the NFL over the course of his career. There IS a downside to all the passes he throws, despite what his completion percentage would indicate. My only clue of a decline from Brees has been the excessive amount of dump off throws. Part of it has been bad O-line play, but he also seems like he gives up too quick. His decision making just hasn't been as sharp.

But by no means has anything gone "kaput" with him. If this offensive line were better, not just against the pass rush, but if they could provide a running game, our offense could be 2011 good again. To me it's as simple as that.

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I guess it's just something to talk about, better than the election I guess.
It does however have similar content though.

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Brees was statistically the third best QB in the NFL last week. He's (yet again) playing at an elite, HOF level. And that's with a subpar (putting it mildly) supporting cast.

Want to talk about something how about how this franchise could well go down in history as having wasted one of the best ever QB talents without even so much as sniffing the playoffs last 5 or so years of his career...

Oh and the INT, about a foot off. 12", other than that he was perfect. I'll settle for that Loss of Step anyday.

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Maybe if our run game was better he wouldn't have to throw so much.

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He hasn't lost squat

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Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt.

Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History

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Drew's now 4th on the list of total Pick 6's thrown

Brett Favre - 35 - .32% of attempts
Dan Marino - 30 - .33%
Payton Manning - 29 - .31%
Drew Brees - 26 - .31%

He's now 90th in pick 6/pass attempt.

Not bad company. All 4 are QBs that had to carry their teams most of their careers.

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So he doesn't suck? Wow!

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Oh, and thanks for finishing the research. Busy trying to get dinner ready. Not easy these days with a bum spine.

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If DB came to the Saints in 2016 as another late career QB (ie Bobby Douglas, Kenny Stabler). He would still be one of the best QBs we ever had.

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This is very true. I was so pumped when we got Stabler. But, just like Manning, he had no help at all.

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This thread had absolutely nothing to do with your post in the other thread. Don't flatter yourself.

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Um, can you then explain what it does mean as it is very comprehensible in its original form?

:confused:

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I said I believe "since he entered the league", not where he ranks all time. I also said that is the down side to throwing so much. Yes, the number is lower, per attempt, but when you throw it as much as we do you run the high risk of disaster. You gotta have some balance. We did in '09.

But kind of you to misinterpret my entire post.

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No, you didn't say that. Gumbo even highlighted what you wrote in his reply.

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Pick 6's (Career)

Rank Player Pick6

1 Brett Favre+ 31

2 Dan Marino+ 28

3 Peyton Manning 27

4 Drew Brees 26

5 Vinny Testaverde 23

6 Carson Palmer 20

6 Eli Manning 20

6 Steve DeBerg 20

6 Kerry Collins 20

10 Philip Rivers 19

NFL Career QB Pick Six Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

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Right, I said "over the course of his career", meaning since he entered the league. I paraphrased myself. It's the exact same thing. And the point was that I was not stating where he ranked among QB's all time in pick sixes.

Wow, you really thought you had me on that one, eh?

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Someone said he threw that pick because he felt he had to throw the ball and make a play because of his defense. Yet, the game was tied and it was after the first drive the defense allowed a score.

Even the best teams don't have a lead every game. We didn't in 2009. Offenses are better than then and this team has too many standards for the defense. Some think we should have held this team to 13 because it's the chiefs' offense.

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He was targeting Snead on that pick? As I said Snead does not show up in tougher games.

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And who's to blame for that? Getting rid of who we got rid of in 2014 was why. Jenkins might not have been what he is now but the defense probably stays the same or just a little worse. SP got a bit butt hurt over losing to Seattle and reacted impulsively.

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I say the defender got there a tad early and that caused Sneed to end up face-masking the ball to Sorenson. IIRC

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Actually, Eric Berry reached around Snead and got just enough of a hand on the ball to deflect it up and off Snead's face mask and lucky into Soreson's hands. Snead had position on the defender and Brees threw a good accurate pass. Berry simply made an outstanding play that should have been an incompletion, but the Saints just caught a very unlucky break.

Google the play. It is out there.

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It was hard to tell in real time who deflected it, Snead or the defender, but you could see that he was bearing down on Snead and the ball shouldn't have been thrown. That is a play where at other times you could throw it low and protect the receiver, but there was a D-lineman right in front of Drew with his hand in the air, so I'm pretty sure he threw it high on purpose. And that was a mistake. Never throw high into traffic.