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burningmetal 10-25-2016 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 724788)
Been trying to verify or disprove that statement, but I did find that as of October 15, 2013 Brees was tied for 10th with the most career pick sixes at 19. Manning had 25 at the time and Favre had 35. Although, among all QB's that had thrown at least five pick sixes he is only ranked 111th in pick sixes per pass attempt.

Most Pick Sixes Thrown in NFL History
I said I believe "since he entered the league", not where he ranks all time. I also said that is the down side to throwing so much. Yes, the number is lower, per attempt, but when you throw it as much as we do you run the high risk of disaster. You gotta have some balance. We did in '09.

But kind of you to misinterpret my entire post.

Utah_Saint 10-25-2016 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 724875)
I said I believe "since he entered the league",
No, you didn't say that. Gumbo even highlighted what you wrote in his reply.

jeanpierre 10-25-2016 10:28 PM
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Pick 6's (Career)

 
Rank Player Pick6
1 Brett Favre+ 31
2 Dan Marino+ 28
3 Peyton Manning 27
4 Drew Brees 26
5 Vinny Testaverde 23
6 Carson Palmer 20
6 Eli Manning 20
6 Steve DeBerg 20
6 Kerry Collins 20
10 Philip Rivers 19

NFL Career QB Pick Six Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

burningmetal 10-26-2016 01:13 AM
Re: Bree's lost a step?
 
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Originally Posted by Utah_Saint (Post 724880)
No, you didn't say that. Gumbo even highlighted what you wrote in his reply.
Right, I said "over the course of his career", meaning since he entered the league. I paraphrased myself. It's the exact same thing. And the point was that I was not stating where he ranked among QB's all time in pick sixes.

Wow, you really thought you had me on that one, eh?

WillSaints81 10-26-2016 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 724731)
The only thing I don't like is it appears to me Drew is panicking a little too much and throwing the ball away a little too quick. It is better than throwing a pick or taking a hard hit but I wouldn't mind seeing him maybe scramble a bit and gain a couple positive yards then slide. I much prefer 2nd and 7 over 2nd and 10. Still allows the chance to run the ball.

Someone said he threw that pick because he felt he had to throw the ball and make a play because of his defense. Yet, the game was tied and it was after the first drive the defense allowed a score.

Even the best teams don't have a lead every game. We didn't in 2009. Offenses are better than then and this team has too many standards for the defense. Some think we should have held this team to 13 because it's the chiefs' offense.

WillSaints81 10-26-2016 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 724759)
That pick was on butterfingers, not Drew. Many of INTs (as all QBs) are from good throws.

He was targeting Snead on that pick? As I said Snead does not show up in tougher games.

WillSaints81 10-26-2016 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 73Saint (Post 724775)
Brees was statistically the third best QB in the NFL last week. He's (yet again) playing at an elite, HOF level. And that's with a subpar (putting it mildly) supporting cast.

Want to talk about something how about how this franchise could well go down in history as having wasted one of the best ever QB talents without even so much as sniffing the playoffs last 5 or so years of his career...

Oh and the INT, about a foot off. 12", other than that he was perfect. I'll settle for that Loss of Step anyday.
And who's to blame for that? Getting rid of who we got rid of in 2014 was why. Jenkins might not have been what he is now but the defense probably stays the same or just a little worse. SP got a bit butt hurt over losing to Seattle and reacted impulsively.

BusDriver 10-26-2016 03:34 PM
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I say the defender got there a tad early and that caused Sneed to end up face-masking the ball to Sorenson. IIRC

AsylumGuido 10-26-2016 04:02 PM
Re: Bree's lost a step?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BusDriver (Post 724940)
I say the defender got there a tad early and that caused Sneed to end up face-masking the ball to Sorenson. IIRC
Actually, Eric Berry reached around Snead and got just enough of a hand on the ball to deflect it up and off Snead's face mask and lucky into Soreson's hands. Snead had position on the defender and Brees threw a good accurate pass. Berry simply made an outstanding play that should have been an incompletion, but the Saints just caught a very unlucky break.

Google the play. It is out there.

burningmetal 10-26-2016 04:23 PM
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It was hard to tell in real time who deflected it, Snead or the defender, but you could see that he was bearing down on Snead and the ball shouldn't have been thrown. That is a play where at other times you could throw it low and protect the receiver, but there was a D-lineman right in front of Drew with his hand in the air, so I'm pretty sure he threw it high on purpose. And that was a mistake. Never throw high into traffic.


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