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draft Leonard Fournette then start the trade talks

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I used the word "burst" in my game day thread vs the Chiefs as it relates to Ingram vs Hightower. MI simply doesn't "hit" the hole with authority when it's there. No shake and bake or even a spin move (see Eddie Lacey).

IMO we are slow at the RB position. When LB's crash on Mark to make a play, it's over ... he's tackled. Rarely does he break it for a substantial gain. At this level, you need a RB who can do that (AZ RB Johnson will illustrate that when we play them). Honestly, I can't remember a gain or break away over 15 yards this year.

I have 0 hate for Mark but he simply lacks the explosion/burst you need when the lanes are there.

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Breaks my heart. :rolleyes:

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I would like to see the game where Ingram gets the ball 32 times.

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I think he is more of the back that we had in 2009 - Ball. The hard 1-2 yard pounder to complement PT and Bush.

Trying to make him anything other than that I think isn't fair. At times I think its the line's fault but then you see Hightower with much larger gains. At this rate I can see us parting ways with him. If we can do it to Jimmy we can certainly do it to Ingram.

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I think you meant Bell and I agree he will grind out the short runs, catching passes and picking up blitzes. Over the course of his career, he has protected the ball well in spite of the blunder vs KC.

Coach Payton isn't going to give it to anyone else until he has 100% confidence that Brees is well protected by the RB he puts in.

On to Seattle :bng: ...

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Ingram picks up the blitz and Payton trusts him to do that. I don't watch LSU and don't know anything about Fournette. Is he a good blocker? Can he catch out of the back filed? How good is his ball security?

I have watched Ingram since college(Roll Tide) and he had a very slow start because of injuries. He is a good back who would run better with a good Oline. Was he worth the typical two draft picks Payton loves to give up for players he covets? Ingram will never be utilized here to his full extent. Sad but true.

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Fournette is an outstanding blocker, and is built ideally for anything you need him to do. As far as ball security, LSU running backs almost never fumble. They are taught very well, and Fournette is no different. He has fumbled three, maybe four times in his career at LSU, that I can remember, and I only know of two times that he lost the fumble.

As for Ingram, he has been here a long time now, and he didn't always have a poor line. And It's impossible for me to make excuses for him when he's being outplayed by Tim Hightower, who has been through way more injuries, and is running behind the same line. I don't know how else anyone expects us to utilize him. He is what he is.

All of that said, we're highly unlikely to draft Leonard even IF we somehow end up with a top five pick. But you never know with this team.

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I wouldn't be upset if traded Ingram.

Roll with Hightower and Lasco, both have shown they can run and catch passes also.

Re-sign Spiller, seahawks just released him lol

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OK, first off, MIA sucks. We would not get anything for him. Second, have you watched LF7 at all? There is no denying his talent and what he would bring to the table. You pass on LF7 you deserve to lose.

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I have seen Fournette disappear completely when playing a quality defense. He does tear it up against average or poor defenses. He hasn't done that much in the passing game coming into this year. He has averaged three catches per game in the four games he has been healthy enough to play this season which is WAY above his career average. Another red flag there on durability.

Fournette Career Stats

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Can you give 5 legit reasons why he will not be a good RB in the NFL, me personally I think he's better than Elliot and he's doing fine

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Another quality post (sarcasm). Just this year he ran for over 100 yards against both Wisconsin and Auburn (138 against Wisconsin), who both have very good defenses this year. And he was not close to 100% healthy in either game. He's still not 100% now, at least in terms of being in game shape after missing three weeks, and he STILL ran for 284 last weekend.

Last year he had 180 yards against Florida, who had a top defense and he also ran for over 140 against them as a freshman when they also had a good defense. He had over a 100 yards as a freshman against what was a very good Ole Miss defense that year. He had almost 160 against a pretty good Miss St defense last year.

What do want him to do? Play top ten defenses every week? Nobody does that. Most defenses in college football pretty much suck. Yet you don't see anyone doing what he has done the last two years, do you?

The only time he really got shut down in the last two years was against bama last year. The line gave him ZERO room. Nobody can find a hole and run through it when they have two or three guys in the backfield when they first touch the ball.

As for his receiving numbers, have you paid attention to all of us who have been saying why Les Miles needed to go? He refused to use any imagination in his offense. All he wanted to do was line up and run, and throw as a last resort. Yet, with all that predictability, Leonard managed to lead the nation in yards per game.

Now that he is being allowed to run out of the backfield and catch passes, we get to see what he can do. There is nothing he can't do at his position.

How many passes does Adrian Peterson catch, anyway? Some of you guys are just determined to find a reason to doubt Fournette. I can't get over how ridiculous some of these excuses are.

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Yea BM the excuses are crazy & correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he had 100 yards in every game last year except for 1 to deny the talent of this guy is ridiculous even without a QB knowing your going to get the ball it's almost APish(Adrian Peterson) what cant he do? is the question as long as there isn't any tendon or ligament tears no red flags for me even still you wouldn't know it IF you watched him play

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Only two games he didn't rush for 100. The other game was against Arkansas, when he had 91 yards on 19 carries... So he wasn't exactly quiet in that game, either.

But yeah, you're right. He's had to do all of this with no help from his QB until just recently where the interim staff has finally allowed our passing game to breathe. And as you said, no ligament damage. I don't know why anyone would worry about durability with him. This ankle problem is the first issue he's had at LSU, and yet no one has held him down this year. He probably could have played against Southern Miss, but why risk that against an inferior team? It's nuts what some people will say.

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No back can run the ball effectively without an O line. His upside is much better than Ingram and it would be a mistake to pass on Him. Ingram does not show much ability to take it to the house on longer runs. He has been an enigma to me although not exactly a bust he has definitely under achieved. We need to upgrade the O line as a priority and then D-Line the obvious flaws in our defense.

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Speaking of STUD LF ... saw a 1st round MOCK draft (USA). They have him going to CAROLINA. Of all teams ... Carolina :disgusted:.
It's a good thing this is a "mock" draft.

Edit: See link http://draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/1...d-projections/

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Everyone always goes back to the Bama game. Bama's defense would of stopped Walter Payton last year. He played in 4 games this year and avg almost 160 yards a game. He is avg 8.1 yac this year and 6.5 last year. You can argue many things but not his skill. If you saw LF7 disappear at times its because you fell asleep watching the game or turned it off.

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I'm all for trademarking Ingram. I'm sure his Td celebrations would be unique if he could ever find the end zone.