Pro Football Focus: Analysis and Grades for Saints/Seattle

K Major · 11-01-2016, 11:21 AM

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Danno · 11-02-2016, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Like the idea of what PFF is trying to do in so far as grading players, would like to know how they grade as their grades don't sync with what I'm seeing...

Cam Jordan played much better this week containing the edge and applying pressure rather than knifing through and allow the opposition to either geaux underneath or get outside of him...

Robertson and Stupar deserve better grades - their play was outstanding...

Andrus Peat is really coming on and if Armstead continues to be fragile, have no problem with him as our Left Tackle...

Michael Thomas is not only the top rookie wide receiver, but is a top ten wide receiver in this league...

Tim Hightower deserves more love as well...

HOW WE GRADE
Our patent-pending approach to rating is thorough, one of a kind, and goes beyond the surface of the game. View details of PFF’s partnership with the Pro Coach Network, which reviews every PFF grade, here.

STEP 1
We grade. An analyst grades every single player and every single play on a scale of -2 to +2.

STEP 2
We grade again. A second analyst grades every single player and every single play on a scale of -2 to +2.

STEP 3
We grade a third time. A third analyst rules on any differences between the first two.

STEP 4
We verify. Our grades are verified by the Pro Coach Network and their 400 years of combined NFL and college coaching experience.

STEP 5
Advanced Normalization: The raw grades are normalized to better account for the situation; this ranges from where the player lined up to the drop-back depth of the quarterback, to everything in between.

STEP 6
We set the grade. Convert to 1-100 scale.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

jeanpierre · 11-02-2016, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

HOW WE GRADE
Our patent-pending approach to rating is thorough, one of a kind, and goes beyond the surface of the game. View details of PFF’s partnership with the Pro Coach Network, which reviews every PFF grade, here.

STEP 1
We grade. An analyst grades every single player and every single play on a scale of -2 to +2.

STEP 2
We grade again. A second analyst grades every single player and every single play on a scale of -2 to +2.

STEP 3
We grade a third time. A third analyst rules on any differences between the first two.

STEP 4
We verify. Our grades are verified by the Pro Coach Network and their 400 years of combined NFL and college coaching experience.

STEP 5
Advanced Normalization: The raw grades are normalized to better account for the situation; this ranges from where the player lined up to the drop-back depth of the quarterback, to everything in between.

STEP 6
We set the grade. Convert to 1-100 scale.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/

Thanks Danno, for posting; I've read that before on PFF, but the devil is in the details...

I'd like to see the score and notes sheets; I'd like to see their "objectivity scales"...

Rugby Saint II · 11-02-2016, 03:13 PM

Things are looking up. I believe in this young team. Peat is shutting up the doubters too. I love it.

jeanpierre · 11-04-2016, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Things are looking up. I believe in this young team. Peat is shutting up the doubters too. I love it.

Healthy Armstead-Peat-Unger could be devastating...

hagan714 · 11-05-2016, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Ashley

I hope you are correct sir, it does seem that his play has improved

Me too. lets go with the best case here

So peat can in a pinch kick out to LOT if needed. Problem one solved

Problem 2 ROG
It is easier to find a swing OG than it is a swing OT. one with the skill set to kick out as a RT and/or center.

Draft?

Crusader · 11-05-2016, 05:41 PM

You are correct Hagan, draft is the right way to go. I think the Saints should keep looking at RTs and RGs in the coming drafts. Id like a guy that could switch on all three interior positions and one guy that could play both RG and RT.

MatthewT · 11-06-2016, 07:51 AM

I agree with drafting some young talent to eventually take over at RG and RT, but nothing too urgent is needed. Even at age 33, both Evans and Strief are still playing excellent football. Getting another 2 or 3 years of high productivity from them wouldn't be unusual, lineman can last a very long time in the NFL.

burningmetal · 11-06-2016, 09:26 AM

Pretend Football Facts at it again, I see. We all know Brees and his receivers had a pretty solid, though unspectacular day. No Hightower? An over 80 grade for Peat? That's real cute. And I respect that Armstead is trying to play through pain unlike a certain player who lives on the inactive list, but he has been barely adequate by his standards since his injury. He looks a little better of late, as he's hopefully getting healthy, but that grade is too high.

It is apparent to me that PFF tries to make themselves seem smart by overlooking good performances and rewarding average play, by spinning some tale to make us believe that what we saw was just our imagination. Amusing.

11-01-2016, 11:21 AM	#11
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11-02-2016, 10:09 AM	#12
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Pro Football Focus: Analysis and Grades for Saints/Seattle Originally Posted by jeanpierre Like the idea of what PFF is trying to do in so far as grading players, would like to know how they grade as their grades don't sync with what I'm seeing... Cam Jordan played much better this week containing the edge and applying pressure rather than knifing through and allow the opposition to either geaux underneath or get outside of him... Robertson and Stupar deserve better grades - their play was outstanding... Andrus Peat is really coming on and if Armstead continues to be fragile, have no problem with him as our Left Tackle... Michael Thomas is not only the top rookie wide receiver, but is a top ten wide receiver in this league... Tim Hightower deserves more love as well... HOW WE GRADE Our patent-pending approach to rating is thorough, one of a kind, and goes beyond the surface of the game. View details of PFF’s partnership with the Pro Coach Network, which reviews every PFF grade, here. STEP 1 We grade. An analyst grades every single player and every single play on a scale of -2 to +2. STEP 2 We grade again. A second analyst grades every single player and every single play on a scale of -2 to +2. STEP 3 We grade a third time. A third analyst rules on any differences between the first two. STEP 4 We verify. Our grades are verified by the Pro Coach Network and their 400 years of combined NFL and college coaching experience. STEP 5 Advanced Normalization: The raw grades are normalized to better account for the situation; this ranges from where the player lined up to the drop-back depth of the quarterback, to everything in between. STEP 6 We set the grade. Convert to 1-100 scale. https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/ MatthewT and hagan714 like this.

11-02-2016, 12:01 PM	#13
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Pro Football Focus: Analysis and Grades for Saints/Seattle Originally Posted by Danno HOW WE GRADE Our patent-pending approach to rating is thorough, one of a kind, and goes beyond the surface of the game. View details of PFF’s partnership with the Pro Coach Network, which reviews every PFF grade, here. STEP 1 We grade. An analyst grades every single player and every single play on a scale of -2 to +2. STEP 2 We grade again. A second analyst grades every single player and every single play on a scale of -2 to +2. STEP 3 We grade a third time. A third analyst rules on any differences between the first two. STEP 4 We verify. Our grades are verified by the Pro Coach Network and their 400 years of combined NFL and college coaching experience. STEP 5 Advanced Normalization: The raw grades are normalized to better account for the situation; this ranges from where the player lined up to the drop-back depth of the quarterback, to everything in between. STEP 6 We set the grade. Convert to 1-100 scale. https://www.profootballfocus.com/about/how-we-grade/ Thanks Danno, for posting; I've read that before on PFF, but the devil is in the details... I'd like to see the score and notes sheets; I'd like to see their "objectivity scales"...

11-02-2016, 03:13 PM	#14
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: Pro Football Focus: Analysis and Grades for Saints/Seattle Things are looking up. I believe in this young team. Peat is shutting up the doubters too. I love it. MatthewT, jeanpierre and dizzle88 like this.

11-04-2016, 09:39 AM	#15
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Pro Football Focus: Analysis and Grades for Saints/Seattle Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Things are looking up. I believe in this young team. Peat is shutting up the doubters too. I love it. Healthy Armstead-Peat-Unger could be devastating... MatthewT likes this.

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11-05-2016, 07:02 AM	#16
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Pro Football Focus: Analysis and Grades for Saints/Seattle Originally Posted by Ashley I hope you are correct sir, it does seem that his play has improved Me too. lets go with the best case here So peat can in a pinch kick out to LOT if needed. Problem one solved Problem 2 ROG It is easier to find a swing OG than it is a swing OT. one with the skill set to kick out as a RT and/or center. Draft?

11-05-2016, 05:41 PM	#17
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Pro Football Focus: Analysis and Grades for Saints/Seattle You are correct Hagan, draft is the right way to go. I think the Saints should keep looking at RTs and RGs in the coming drafts. Id like a guy that could switch on all three interior positions and one guy that could play both RG and RT. hagan714 likes this.

11-06-2016, 07:51 AM	#18
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Pro Football Focus: Analysis and Grades for Saints/Seattle I agree with drafting some young talent to eventually take over at RG and RT, but nothing too urgent is needed. Even at age 33, both Evans and Strief are still playing excellent football. Getting another 2 or 3 years of high productivity from them wouldn't be unusual, lineman can last a very long time in the NFL.

11-06-2016, 09:26 AM	#19
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pro Football Focus: Analysis and Grades for Saints/Seattle Pretend Football Facts at it again, I see. We all know Brees and his receivers had a pretty solid, though unspectacular day. No Hightower? An over 80 grade for Peat? That's real cute. And I respect that Armstead is trying to play through pain unlike a certain player who lives on the inactive list, but he has been barely adequate by his standards since his injury. He looks a little better of late, as he's hopefully getting healthy, but that grade is too high. It is apparent to me that PFF tries to make themselves seem smart by overlooking good performances and rewarding average play, by spinning some tale to make us believe that what we saw was just our imagination. Amusing.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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