Don't think our defense is improving?

WhoDat!656 · 11-06-2016, 08:19 PM

Three straight games no team has scored a touchdown on our defense in the 2nd half; only 15 points in 3 games (5 FGs).

rezburna · 11-06-2016, 09:22 PM

Somewhat. Losing James Laurinaitis was addition by subtraction. The three safety sets are working out pretty well for us as well. I wish we could get Stephone Anthony on the field and making plays more often. I'd love to have that speed being put to use. Craig Robertson is an EXCELLENT pick up, and Stupar reminds me of a far more athletic Scott Shanle...meaning he'd be better served in a back up role, but makes for a decent starter when need be. I just wish we had Kikiha. I wanted to see his improvement. Glad to have Breaux back. I didn't see him give up anything.

spkb25 · 11-06-2016, 09:23 PM

total points given up by our d the last 3 weeks, 20,13,23

44Champs · 11-06-2016, 09:27 PM

We've been a bend (a lot) but no beeak defense. As much as I loved the 4 turnovers, i dont think we can keep depending on them to bail us out when we're giving up 400 yards a game. I still cant figure out if the problem is the players, the scheme, the inexperience, or coaching. Maybe a little of all of the above.

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Budsdrinker · 11-07-2016, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

We've been a bend (a lot) but no beeak defense. As much as I loved the 4 turnovers, i dont think we can keep depending on them to bail us out when we're giving up 400 yards a game. I still cant figure out if the problem is the players, the scheme, the inexperience, or coaching. Maybe a little of all of the above.

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It's definitely players. You can't have DB's playing man and LB's playing zone which is what happened on both long TDs. On one it looked like Robertson dropped in zone and Vaccaro was playing man.

blackangold · 11-07-2016, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

It's definitely players. You can't have DB's playing man and LB's playing zone which is what happened on both long TDs. On one it looked like Robertson dropped in zone and Vaccaro was playing man.

You say it's players but everything you describe goes back to scheme.

Budsdrinker · 11-07-2016, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

You say it's players but everything you describe goes back to scheme.

To my knowledge, there isn't or there dam well shouldn't be a scheme where some players are in man and some in zone. You all have to be on the same page and in the same coverage to be successful.

burningmetal · 11-06-2016, 09:28 PM

And those were all juggernaut offenses, of course. I think at times the defense has been sort of adequate, and we've overlooked certain things because of injuries. But there has really been no excuse for the lack of pass rush, at any point this season.

Today was the farthest thing from a sign of progress. I'm hoping for the best moving forward, but there was no resistance out there. And the offense gave them a lot of time to rest.

I've seen the defense play better than this. This wasn't the team you would expect to see such a huge step back against.

spkb25 · 11-06-2016, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

And those were all juggernaut offenses, of course. .

no they weren't, but at the same token last year we played a struggling Eagles offense and they lit our asses up for over 500 yards. So I feel ya, but there is improvement. Is it enough, no, not yet.

burningmetal · 11-06-2016, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

no they weren't, but at the same token last year we played a struggling Eagles offense and they lit our asses up for over 500 yards. So I feel ya, but there is improvement. Is it enough, no, not yet.

They gave up 486 yards to a struggling offense today, in just 21 minutes of game time. I'm trying to see the improvement, but it's not showing up.

I do give a certain amount of slack for injuries, but there aren't enough guys out for this kind of performance. I've had moments were I thought I was seeing them turn a corner, but each time they take a step back.

11-06-2016, 08:19 PM	#1
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,085	Don't think our defense is improving? Three straight games no team has scored a touchdown on our defense in the 2nd half; only 15 points in 3 games (5 FGs). jnormand, RockyMountainSaint, SmashMouth and 3 others like this.

11-06-2016, 09:22 PM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Somewhat. Losing James Laurinaitis was addition by subtraction. The three safety sets are working out pretty well for us as well. I wish we could get Stephone Anthony on the field and making plays more often. I'd love to have that speed being put to use. Craig Robertson is an EXCELLENT pick up, and Stupar reminds me of a far more athletic Scott Shanle...meaning he'd be better served in a back up role, but makes for a decent starter when need be. I just wish we had Kikiha. I wanted to see his improvement. Glad to have Breaux back. I didn't see him give up anything. Rell&Gold likes this.

11-06-2016, 09:23 PM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? total points given up by our d the last 3 weeks, 20,13,23 SaintFanInATLHELL, RockyMountainSaint, leilung and 2 others like this.

11-06-2016, 09:27 PM	#4
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? We've been a bend (a lot) but no beeak defense. As much as I loved the 4 turnovers, i dont think we can keep depending on them to bail us out when we're giving up 400 yards a game. I still cant figure out if the problem is the players, the scheme, the inexperience, or coaching. Maybe a little of all of the above. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Beastmode and Rell&Gold like this.
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11-07-2016, 08:20 AM	#5
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by 44Champs We've been a bend (a lot) but no beeak defense. As much as I loved the 4 turnovers, i dont think we can keep depending on them to bail us out when we're giving up 400 yards a game. I still cant figure out if the problem is the players, the scheme, the inexperience, or coaching. Maybe a little of all of the above. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk It's definitely players. You can't have DB's playing man and LB's playing zone which is what happened on both long TDs. On one it looked like Robertson dropped in zone and Vaccaro was playing man.

11-07-2016, 03:32 PM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by Budsdrinker It's definitely players. You can't have DB's playing man and LB's playing zone which is what happened on both long TDs. On one it looked like Robertson dropped in zone and Vaccaro was playing man. You say it's players but everything you describe goes back to scheme.

11-07-2016, 04:02 PM	#7
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by blackangold You say it's players but everything you describe goes back to scheme. To my knowledge, there isn't or there dam well shouldn't be a scheme where some players are in man and some in zone. You all have to be on the same page and in the same coverage to be successful.

11-06-2016, 09:28 PM	#8
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? And those were all juggernaut offenses, of course. I think at times the defense has been sort of adequate, and we've overlooked certain things because of injuries. But there has really been no excuse for the lack of pass rush, at any point this season. Today was the farthest thing from a sign of progress. I'm hoping for the best moving forward, but there was no resistance out there. And the offense gave them a lot of time to rest. I've seen the defense play better than this. This wasn't the team you would expect to see such a huge step back against.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

11-06-2016, 10:03 PM	#9
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by burningmetal And those were all juggernaut offenses, of course. . no they weren't, but at the same token last year we played a struggling Eagles offense and they lit our asses up for over 500 yards. So I feel ya, but there is improvement. Is it enough, no, not yet. ctsaint01 likes this.

11-06-2016, 10:33 PM	#10
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by spkb25 no they weren't, but at the same token last year we played a struggling Eagles offense and they lit our asses up for over 500 yards. So I feel ya, but there is improvement. Is it enough, no, not yet. They gave up 486 yards to a struggling offense today, in just 21 minutes of game time. I'm trying to see the improvement, but it's not showing up. I do give a certain amount of slack for injuries, but there aren't enough guys out for this kind of performance. I've had moments were I thought I was seeing them turn a corner, but each time they take a step back. ctsaint01 likes this.

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