Don't think our defense is improving?

spkb25 · 11-07-2016, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Meh ... the pass rush is nearly non existent. Covering crossing routes (TE's) and the read options is also an issue.
Denver's QB (Trevor S.) isn't nearly as athletic as Kaep however he is mobile. I see potential problems with rolling pockets.

I thought we didn't have any high priced talent, forget about Jordan because he is just high priced.

Budsdrinker · 11-07-2016, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by 44Champs

We've been a bend (a lot) but no beeak defense. As much as I loved the 4 turnovers, i dont think we can keep depending on them to bail us out when we're giving up 400 yards a game. I still cant figure out if the problem is the players, the scheme, the inexperience, or coaching. Maybe a little of all of the above.

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It's definitely players. You can't have DB's playing man and LB's playing zone which is what happened on both long TDs. On one it looked like Robertson dropped in zone and Vaccaro was playing man.

Euphoria · 11-07-2016, 09:21 AM

Yeah lets not think we have a top 10 D all of a sudden. Its about match ups and opponets. I think we have individials on D that is improving but overall still have lots of question marks.

Crusader · 11-07-2016, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Meh ... the pass rush is nearly non existent. Covering crossing routes (TE's) and the read options is also an issue.
Denver's QB (Trevor S.) isn't nearly as athletic as Kaep however he is mobile. I see potential problems with rolling pockets.

I wouldn't call it non existent. Jordan creates a lot of pressure but he is alone, the QB can escape the pressure by going to the other side.

K Major · 11-07-2016, 09:50 AM

The Saints must do a better job with assignments & pressure this week. Kaep was missing receivers more than the Saints making stops. Giving up 300 + passing yards to horrible offensive teams in the first half isn't gonna get us very far long term.

Denver and Carolina will be true tests for this defense. We still have a lot of work to do on that side of the ball.

Danno · 11-07-2016, 09:56 AM

I wonder how much "prevent" we played since we were up by 3 scores for most of the game. That'll pad some stats pretty significantly, especially yardage.

I haven't re-watched it yet but I suspect we gave them a lot of underneath stuff. Might be why Vaccaro had such a poor outing stat wise.

But maybe not. Maybe we still suck.

WillMacKenzie · 11-07-2016, 10:35 AM

When we face Atlanta and come out with a win, I will dedicate a shrine to our defense in the living room.

voodooido · 11-07-2016, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I don't know, man. Like I said in another post, this is a very mediocre year for the league. I think 9-7 will easily get someone in. If we finish with that record, let's just hope there aren't too many teams tied with us. I suspect a lot of these teams will continue to fade, though. 9-7 should be good enough, but it would be nice to get in more comfortably, of course.

9-7 might see the playoffs. There is 3 teams over .500 now holding the advantage in the wildcard race. 3 more teams holding at .500.

CharityMike · 11-07-2016, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I wonder how much "prevent" we played since we were up by 3 scores for most of the game. That'll pad some stats pretty significantly, especially yardage.

I haven't re-watched it yet but I suspect we gave them a lot of underneath stuff. Might be why Vaccaro had such a poor outing stat wise.

But maybe not. Maybe we still suck.

We played zone from beginning to end with a couple man mixed in. And I do mean a couple. We did the same thing last week against Seattle. We are not a zone defense. I am assuming we are doing because of facing Wilson and the terrorist this week.

This was not a very good game for Vacarro. He was roasted a few times. He definitely does not shine playing zone. But I guess all that really matters is the score board at the end. We are winning with ugly defense but I'll take it over losing week after week. Hopefully with some guys coming back, these guys can start to gel and play better. I'd say we are inproving a bit but it is not going to change over night.

dizzle88 · 11-07-2016, 04:14 PM

Mistakes were made in the first half when we played zone, it started to get embarrassing how open the 9ers receivers were but a couple things gave me solace.

The guys played as team, offense made up for defense and vice versa.

The D allowed 20 first half points and 3 second half points, you can't say that isn't a huge adjustment been made there.

Oh yeah...Michael Thomas...that guy is good. If Ezekiel wasn't leading the league in rushing, Thomas would be rookie of the year leader.

11-07-2016, 09:07 AM	#21
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by K Major Meh ... the pass rush is nearly non existent. Covering crossing routes (TE's) and the read options is also an issue. Denver's QB (Trevor S.) isn't nearly as athletic as Kaep however he is mobile. I see potential problems with rolling pockets. I thought we didn't have any high priced talent, forget about Jordan because he is just high priced.

11-07-2016, 09:20 AM	#22
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by 44Champs We've been a bend (a lot) but no beeak defense. As much as I loved the 4 turnovers, i dont think we can keep depending on them to bail us out when we're giving up 400 yards a game. I still cant figure out if the problem is the players, the scheme, the inexperience, or coaching. Maybe a little of all of the above. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk It's definitely players. You can't have DB's playing man and LB's playing zone which is what happened on both long TDs. On one it looked like Robertson dropped in zone and Vaccaro was playing man.

11-07-2016, 09:21 AM	#23
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Yeah lets not think we have a top 10 D all of a sudden. Its about match ups and opponets. I think we have individials on D that is improving but overall still have lots of question marks. RailBoss, Rell&Gold, K Major and 1 others like this.

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Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by K Major Meh ... the pass rush is nearly non existent. Covering crossing routes (TE's) and the read options is also an issue. Denver's QB (Trevor S.) isn't nearly as athletic as Kaep however he is mobile. I see potential problems with rolling pockets. I wouldn't call it non existent. Jordan creates a lot of pressure but he is alone, the QB can escape the pressure by going to the other side. Rell&Gold likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? The Saints must do a better job with assignments & pressure this week. Kaep was missing receivers more than the Saints making stops. Giving up 300 + passing yards to horrible offensive teams in the first half isn't gonna get us very far long term. Denver and Carolina will be true tests for this defense. We still have a lot of work to do on that side of the ball. SaintsBro and Rell&Gold like this.

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11-07-2016, 09:56 AM	#26
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? I wonder how much "prevent" we played since we were up by 3 scores for most of the game. That'll pad some stats pretty significantly, especially yardage. I haven't re-watched it yet but I suspect we gave them a lot of underneath stuff. Might be why Vaccaro had such a poor outing stat wise. But maybe not. Maybe we still suck.

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,766	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by burningmetal I don't know, man. Like I said in another post, this is a very mediocre year for the league. I think 9-7 will easily get someone in. If we finish with that record, let's just hope there aren't too many teams tied with us. I suspect a lot of these teams will continue to fade, though. 9-7 should be good enough, but it would be nice to get in more comfortably, of course. 9-7 might see the playoffs. There is 3 teams over .500 now holding the advantage in the wildcard race. 3 more teams holding at .500.
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11-07-2016, 04:06 PM	#29
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by Danno I wonder how much "prevent" we played since we were up by 3 scores for most of the game. That'll pad some stats pretty significantly, especially yardage. I haven't re-watched it yet but I suspect we gave them a lot of underneath stuff. Might be why Vaccaro had such a poor outing stat wise. But maybe not. Maybe we still suck. We played zone from beginning to end with a couple man mixed in. And I do mean a couple. We did the same thing last week against Seattle. We are not a zone defense. I am assuming we are doing because of facing Wilson and the terrorist this week. This was not a very good game for Vacarro. He was roasted a few times. He definitely does not shine playing zone. But I guess all that really matters is the score board at the end. We are winning with ugly defense but I'll take it over losing week after week. Hopefully with some guys coming back, these guys can start to gel and play better. I'd say we are inproving a bit but it is not going to change over night. jnormand and dizzle88 like this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Mistakes were made in the first half when we played zone, it started to get embarrassing how open the 9ers receivers were but a couple things gave me solace. The guys played as team, offense made up for defense and vice versa. The D allowed 20 first half points and 3 second half points, you can't say that isn't a huge adjustment been made there. Oh yeah...Michael Thomas...that guy is good. If Ezekiel wasn't leading the league in rushing, Thomas would be rookie of the year leader.

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