Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Not bad. Not bad at all.

What do ya think guys?

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Not surprised because Parcells was never a big fan of Dat Nguyen. He\'s a pretty good middle linebacker and he\'s asian like me! He has family down here in New Orleans so I wouldn\'t think it would be a big deal to him. Many people believe Watson would make a better OLB so the move would make sense. Watson, Nguyen, and Colby wouldn\'t be too bad. Nguyen may be undersized, but he produces as does Sam Mills, Zach Thomas, etc...

I would prefer Sharper for that 4th rounder though ;)

[Edited on 12/3/2005 by papz]

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

IMO, Dat Nguyen is a very good MLB. He reminds me a lot of Zach Thomas. He\'s got great instints and is always around the ball.

If this deal goes down this will be one of the most successful offseasons in recent memory.

Kudos to the Saints\' front office.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Surprisingly pleasant news. If what papz says is true and Watson can move to the outside, then I love the acquisition and the 2nd rounder sweetens the deal a little. Dallas has the 42nd pick. Looks like a good move to me.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

I like this idea, and the fact that we\'d get an extra 2nd to go with it makes it a can\'t pass up type of deal to me. I hope the FO pulls the trigger on this soon, I\'m chomping at the bit for a LB.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Trade makes sense to me. both teams get what they want. Getting a draft pick on top of a solid LB is sweet! I must say I to was still dissapointed we weren\'t interested in Sharper.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

I think in terms of overall quality, Howard is a far more talented player than Nguyen. Yet, in terms of immediate need, Nguyen is more suitable. One has to believe he\'ll carry a more reasonable price tag, as well.

This seems to fit the \"we\'d rather franchise and trade him than just lose him for nothing\" philosophy quite nicely. Nguyen wasn\'t my first choice - in fact he\'d never crossed my mind - but we sure need a LB, and he\'s hands down better than any LB presently on our squad.

I say go for it...

EDIT: Oh yeah, we get a 2nd rounder, too? Heck yes, then... :D

[Edited on 12/3/2005 by mutineer10]

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

First off, it\'s GREAT to hear LB mention in the same sentence as SAINTS without the words won\'t, not, or didn\'t.

Nguyen came out of college as a highly touted guy, but his play hasn\'t quite lived up. That said, he is a very consistent above average to good MLB (IMO). He is DEFINITELY a step up for the Saints. Don\'t we already have two seconds? Three second rounders??? Wow.

1st - OT
2nd(a) - OLB
2nd(b) - DT
2nd(c) - S

I just wet my pants with that prospect. Not that I think the Saints will draft that intelligently, but... :)

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

I think we only have one second rounder right now.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

We only have one right now, but if this trade happens we would be in so much better shape.
1st- Either trade up for DJ or stay and get best CB available or Davis
2nd(from Washington)- Either OT or Lb, depends on what we get with 1st.
2nd(this trade)- Safety, if we don\'t get Davis. Shazor, Bullocks and Pool should be here.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

We had 2 second rounders, but one was traded away. It would be great if we could get another pick. Actually we were going to get a pick for Howard anyways so basically it would be great if we could get a starting MLB back in return. :P He didn\'t really come out highly touted because he was considered undersized... IMO he\'s definately an over- achiever.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Nguyen was drafted in the third round and has worked his way up to the starting position. I like the deal very much - a starting MLB AND the 42nd pcik overall? Pull the trigger on this one!

The second 2nd rounder was traded to Green Bay in the McKenzie trade by the way.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Yes, and he is the veteran leader we need too, with next yera being his 8th year in the league. I really like this trade, makes me think we would have one of the best offseasons so far.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Ehhh....

Not thrilled. Not a big Dat fan, though.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

IF Sharper is still out there...Why don\'t we at least show interest, I know he\'s only 6\"3, 239 pounds with 607 career tackles? But hey he MIGHT just be worth a 4th rounder???

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Well I like the trade, we get a 2nd rounder and a player. I feel we should get as many 1-2-and 3 rounder picks in this draft as we can. Overall this is a solid draft year as oppose to most recent ones in the past. A good your to build a core that will be solid for us in the future. What they need to do now is trade that 16th pick and move down!!! get another 2nd or 3rd.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

And get who Euphoria? I wouldn\'t mind going down but aren\'t we in the position to get a really good play who falls, or that should be here?

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

There is a lot of talent... just name any, lol. This is a great draft. At this point I like getting the best available athlete. Unless moving up to the top 3-5 its not worth moving up at all. CB Fabian Washington is a name that sticks out, WR Mark Clayton. What I like in the 2nd and third is OL Adam Terry and WR Mathis our of Hampton, dude is lightning. Picking up another RB in the second and even some good LB\'s.

[Edited on 12/3/2005 by Euphoria]

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

i like the trade... we get the only asian football player in the world... that should make my girlfriend want to watch the games with me (her last name is nguyen, pronounced like winn in winn-dixie for those that don\'t know...) he\'s a great palyer, always around the ball... i would like it better if we\'d get bradie james out of the deal, but that\'s not likely considering they cut coakley to keep james as the starter.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Good trade and it will most certainly lower the cap right? I would take this trade everyday of the week.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

When I first read this, I thought \"Nooooooooo!\"

Dat Nguyen is undersized and will be in trouble here in NO.

Then I looked at a few things:

(1) He is 5\'11\" and 238 lbs. While he is a bit short, his weight is about in line with a lot of mobile MLBs. Does anyone have any idea of his 40 speed? Not that it really matters since he does actually make plays sideline to sideling.

(2) Then I thought, maybe he\'ll get pushed around here in NO, since our DL is weak in the middle. It seems that Glover at 282 lbs and Carson at 305 lbs are actually smaller than our interior linemen with Green 320 lbs and Young at 298 lbs.

(3) Then I thought, well maybe our guys cannot make plays the way that Glover and Carson can. Not so! While Carson and Glover had 43 and 41 tackles respectively and 0.5 and 7 sacks - for a total of 84 tackles and 7.5 sacks, our two (using Green who didn\'t start every game this season) had 27 and 59 tackles for Green and Howard respectively and 2.5 sacks - for a total of 86 tackles and only 2.5 sacks. So Glover is more likely to get into the backfield, but our run defense is about the same in the middle as Dallas\'.

(4) Then I thought, maybe Dallas\' ends picked up some slack... really! No I didn\'t. Our boys are first rate there. Did you guys notice that Grant had 78.5 tackles! Damn. That is pretty darned good for an end. Sure he drove up field way too often at the start of the year, but he must have figured out what he was doing at some point about mid-season.

Dat Nugyen for president! He may be a bit small, but he had 100 tackles in the last two seasons without guys any better than ours in the middle of the DL. In fact, he may be better protected from opposing linemen here than he was there. Furthermore, since his career started he has only missed 14 out of a possible 96 games. And he got 3 INTs last year from the MLB position, so he plays aginst the pass too!

Finally, he is entering his 7th season, so he is still good for roughly another 3 years at this level of production!

Make this trade, do it!

Finally, if we get there 2nd rounder, will that get us the 43rd pick?

Sounds to me like win-win. We\'d only need MAYBE one more LB, and we\'d be getting vetran leadership on the defense! This opens many options.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

know who else was small.... mike singletary and sam mills... no one complained about their height, did they?

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

all you need to know is that this guy plays ****ing balls out football... something most of us saint fans aren\'t used to... he will, no matter how tall he is, how fast he runs, how many times he can bench press a volvo, play every down as it were his last week in, week out as he has done for last several years for the cowboys.... in college this kid was a stud and made a smooth transition to the pros where he has continued his success.... the guy flat out plays great football

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!..................

I just :shockedbig:

then :awe:

then :puke:

then :killtard:

then after all that I finally :dancingmonkey:

I hope this goes through....now who are we going to get for Tesucky Jones?...Patrick Surtain? Who else on the Dolphins do the y want to get rid of?

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

I don\'t post for a few hours and come back to news like this? I am with BNB, I don\'t really like Nguyen, and I get to see the Cowboys pretty much every Sunday. That being said, the second rounder in addition makes this deal a 100% do it all the way. I am with those who would have preferred Sharper, bit getting Sharper we would give up a pick(only a 4th though) but getting Nguyen we get a starting MLB AND an extra pick and keep our 4th. I am on board.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

why is nguyen not a good player? all he does is consistently tackle and rarely gets beat straight up.... i\'m not understanding why nobody sees him as a good player... the second rd. pick is the clincher, but i think in this situation we\'d be getting a damn fine football player in nguyen...

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Nguyen, IMO, is a very good defender to help against stopping the run, which we need, but he struggles in space. He is an UPGRADE, but would not be my first choice if I had to choose between him and Sharper. Plus in running game, liability in passing game. I know JKool would say he will come off the field on pass plays, but that would be for OBVIOUS passing downs. Teams that pass from stacked sets, like Carolina, is where we will se his limitations in space. Why would Dallas just throw him in if he was so good, PLUS a second? Think about it. That deal is way lop-sided. BUT, he will be an upgrade like I said.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

He\'s not a liability in passing game.
He had 3 INT\'s this year.
That is very good for a MLB.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

hey man....check out my mock in the other forum...i have a pretty good trade in it IMO for us

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

WhoDat, the other 2nd rounder is what we used for Mckenzie.

This trade sounds like a blockbuster for us. If it were just Dat Nguyen I wouldn\'t be excited. But the 2nd rounder and a good LB? That is really going to be useful, because I think this draft is going to be full of 2nd round talent in the positions we need to focus on.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Good to see you Guru. I checked it out. I\'ll tell you about it there.

Tay, do you know if there were tipped balls that he was johnny on the spot for? I KNOW one was. Why don\'t you tell me about 2001, 2002, and 2003 where he had ZERO INTs? He has 6 in a 7 year career, yeah I can see how you would say he wouln\'t be a liability.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Even if ALL three were tipped, he still got to them before anyone else. So at the very least, he was aware of his surroundings.
Having no picks in 01, 02, and 03 and now three in 04 tells me is becoming more aware in the passing game. I find it very unlikly that in three years not one ball is tipped to him and now all of a sudden he gets three.
This shows he is adapting to the passing game and starting to follow the ball when it is in the air.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Wow. Okay. BTW, do you watch many Cowboys games? Living in San Antonio, I see them whether I want to or not. Even when I go to Fast Eddie\'s to watch the Saints on one of 5 big screens, if the Cowboys are on they occupy a big screen and a 27 inch. I have seen Dat play for the last 4 years I have been living in Texas. HE has a liability in pass defense. I ALSO said REPEATEDLY he is an upgrade to what we have, and we should do the deal. But don\'t try to sell me on a player I have seen play often. Pass defense is not his strong suit. He is a stud against the run though, which is what we need anyway.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Dat\'s small...period. He\'s not a Parcells kind of LB but he led Dallas in tackles last year and Parcells has a habit of literally giving away players he\'s not partial to. The only thing stopping this trade is whether or not Howard\'s agent can work a contract with Jerry Jones. Otherwise it\'s a no-go.


As for Dat Nguyen playing for the Saints, let\'s be real here: He\'s no Mills or Singletary. If he can play OLB great (I hear he can). If not, park his ass on the bench. I\'m becoming more and more sold on Courtney Watson, good size, good speed and soon, with experience better instincts. As far as I\'m concerned small middle linebackers are overrated. If you run right at them you knock them on their ass. Zack Thomas is fine but I\'ll take a Brian Urlacher any day of the week.


One thing I\'m not looking forward to: Non-stop \"who dat, who dat, who dat\" because of Nguyen\'s first name. Some people completely lack any imagination and this would just be too easy!


But no matter what, let\'s remember one thing: We had lightning speed last year on defense and what did it get us? Nada! Remember Blake\'s Law: Speed\'s a great thing to have on defense but, if not used properly, it can get you to the wrong place sooner.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

how fast we forget............howard is the all around player..
one of the few who gives his all every game.........imo, big mistake to get rid of him........lotta money yeah, but worth every penny and more.....he will be around for at least a few more yrs, injuries or not.............even a first and dat is not worth it............it will be a sad day in n. o..........smitty

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Don\'t know about that?
I know Howard is good, but not even for a first and Dat.
I would trade Howard for a first alone.
We don\'t need another DE.
We do need a LB.
We also need almost every other position on D.
The pick helps us get that as well.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Parcells would not let go of a great or even a very good football player. (Much like the other Bill would not have let go of Tebuckey if he thought he could help a football team win games). Personally, I\'m not very impressed by the trade possibility. However, if the trade happens, I hope I\'m wrong, because I would hate for the Cowboys organization to pull another \"Steve Walsh\" on the Saints.

[Edited on 13/3/2005 by progress]

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

I\'m not sure if you are implining the trade will not happen, or that Dat is not a good player.
If you think the trade won\'t happen, you may be right, I don\'t know.
If you think Dat isn\'t a good player, you should look at the fact that he led the Cowboys in tackles this last year. I know that a great year doesn\'t mean he will have success anywhere, but anyone who can lead a Bill Parcells defense in tackles can flat out play.

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

Just thought i\'d add there are Cowboys fans who think they are fleecing US with this trade, should it happen. Shows how indespensible Dat is. Also, the Cowboys D was not very good last year, so leading them in tackles is no big deal. Hell Tebucky got over 100 tackles. Is he good now?

Echo that sentiment 100%. Quincy Carter took them to the playoffs, Parcells had zero problems cutting him right before the season. Alleged drug issue. Yet he had a player named LT with the same problem that he kept forever. I wonder why? Maybe LT was a pretty good player?

Howard to Cowboys for Dat Nguyen and 2nd round pick (?)
 

I can attest to that..I live in West Texas...and Cowboys games are force fed...but that\'s not all bad..I enjoy watching them play.

Dat has always been a very solid LB, in College, and in the Pro\'s...He doesn\'t miss many tackles at all..and He plays tough Football..He is the real deal..I don\'t care how tall he is...

One HUGE reason that our Safeties have such a high tackle total stems from lack of production from our LB\'s..IF we get upgraded at LB, you will see that our Safeties will get far fewer tackles..which means we wil have to have Pass oriented Safeties...which we do not have now..I think that\'s why Jim is so intent on upgrading the Safeties...


Howard for nothing more that Dat is just not fair in my opinion..Howard ain\'t no slouch...and Dat isn\'t a Franchised player..we will need a pick or two thrown in to make it fair.
It likely won\'t be a first..but a 3rd sounds fair to me......