Getting off the Sean Payton Bandwagon
 

Warning: This is a rant.

I've always been a huge fan and supporter of Payton. 1st coach to get us to the NFCCG and to win us a Superbowl. I loved his fire, his moxy and the way he motivated our players. That's all gone - he's not that same coach anymore. He doesn't even know how to manage a clock anymore at the end of a game or half. The last time our team was even above .500 was back in 2013 - THREE YEARS AGO. Something finally clicked in me today. I have lost all respect for him with the way he's handled the poor special teams play, which is directly responsible for losing us at least 2 games this year. I guess it's the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. We are ranked dead last in the league in ST. Not firing McMahon, and instead, bringing in a Santa's helper shows me that he cares more about his personal relationship w McMahon than he does about his team or the fans - or winning.

It also hit me that without Brees, Payton is nothing - just imagine what our team would be like with Payton as coach and no Brees at QB. He's nothing without Brees. We'd be dead last in the division. Belichick won 3 out of 4 games without Brady. Payton wouldnt be able to do that.

Unless he gets us to the playoffs this year, he should get fired. And take puppet Loomis with you.

Rant over.

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Absolutely agree, Payton has lost the fire and the ability to be a successful coach.

Why we gave Payton a 5 year extension fresh off of two back to back 7-9 seasons is ludicrous, I'm not surprised Benson is being investigated with decisions like that.

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While I'd agree that we need a stronger GM to keep Payton in check with regards to some of these personnel moves and his reluctance to cut a coach loose out of loyalty (McMahon)...

I'd just remind you that Brees was a broken-win San Diego cast-off who was unwanted by Nick Saban and Miami before Sean Payton turned him into the NFL's best passer these past ten (10) years...

My point, Payton's a great coach who knows how to get the best from his players and put them in the best possible position, offensively...

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I think you have that backwards. Without Payton Brees would be nothing. They threw him away in San Diego. Payton turned him into a hall of fame QB.

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i think we have the makings of a really good team, we are a year away. I wouldn't be surprised to see us really compete next year, like 12-13 wins, and I have been very down on this team

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Brees' lit up NCAA football, taking Purdue to the Rose Bowl. I think Brees' SD record and stats had more to do with SD's coaching than anything.

Though Payton may have helped turn Brees into the record setter that he is today, Brees is currently the reason Payton is keeping his HC job. Since Payton's year off for Bountygate the fire just seems to be gone. Payton and/or Loomis have made the defense a revolving door to the bottom of the NFL. This is the main reason Brees only has one ring and isn't regarded as the undisputed best QB to ever play the game.

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I love Sean Payton and hope he stays through whomever we transition to after Brees.

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I think Brees made Coach Payton actually. With Drew's determination he would have made Miami a contender or wherever he went. SP was smart enough early on to convince him to come to New Orleans. But I still feel they compliment each other and I for one am glad that they are both here.
I also feel that Bounty-gate took it's toll on Coach Payton and chipped away at a bit of his integrity.

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Good grief, if we hadn't suffered a freakish amount of injuries and had a special teams coach, we'd likely be sitting at 7-3 or even 8-2.

Payton isn't the problem.

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You have a right to you opinion but I disagree. Brees would have been great in San Diego if not for coaching. Tony Romo also had Payton, he's not as good as Brees but Brees has had Payton longer.

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Who was the QB coach that worked with Brees here? Who was the WR coach that worked with the WRs here? SP got Brees to care. But as far as his playcalling is concerned, it's nothing special. And teams are copying it anyway.

An Payton has definitely fallen off since 2012

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All I can say is that I hope Payton proves me wrong. I really do. I hope he makes me eat my words at the end of the season. I'm just disgusted with the way he has handled this ST problem w his buddy McMahon. It sends a bad message to the team and fans.

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FIRE VENTURI

......my bad

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I have a lot of mixed opinions on what several people are saying in here. First, I don't know why some make it sound like Brees was hot garbage before he came here. He was very good in his last couple of seasons in San Diego, and that was with the perennially awful Cam Cameron as his offensive coordinator. They let him go because he got hurt and they had already invested in a young QB before they knew Brees was going to turn it around.

So I disagree with those who say Payton made Brees. But I don't completely agree that Brees made Payton, either. I think Payton's system suits Drew and vice versa. But I don't think that Payton is anything close to a great coach at this point.

Being a coach is about more than drawing up plays. He mismanages his coaching staff, the clock, and has mismanaged several players over the last few years. He plays favorites with certain players just like he does with his coaches.

That doesn't make him a bad person, it just makes him a poor leader. This is a business, and you are paid a lot of money to make tough decisions and WIN. You can make as many excuses as you want about the injuries, but you can't deny all of the rest if you are honest with yourself. This is three years in a row of this team being a mess.

We have a good young nucleus, but until Payton cleans up the coaching staff and re-inserts some fire and discipline across the board, we might be a playoff team in the future, but I don't see us going far. Talent can overcome a lot, but it can't do it all. Payton must change the culture of favoritism and mediocrity or we'll need a new coach. Benson won't fire him, though.

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Well put 44. w/o #9, SP doesn't make it to the end of his 1st contract.
He has done nothing positive w/ this team since 2011 season.
Agreed Loomis also to blame. How many over paid free agents have contributed; how many draft picks have contributed; loss of 2012 season before it started On the way to
3 straight mediocre seasons. Time for changes.

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It appears that the D is finally getting their act together which is monumental. On the O side we have Drew throwing to all new faces this season but still putting up solid points. So bring in the new Special Teams Coach and phase out McMahon and get that under control. Problem is it's late in the season not much time left to make a run at a Wild Card.

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One positive thing is sent RR packing, but even that was later than it should have been.

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Very well said!

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1. Can't control the injuries so that's not Payton's fault.

2. Who's responsible for getting us a good ST coach?

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Great summation of where the Saints were, are and will be. I sometimes think that Payton started believing all of the hype about how brilliant he was.

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In our 50 year history we won one Super bowl. One. Sean Payton turned this franchise around using the techniques learned from Bill Parcells. The system needs to be updated and refined by someone outside the organization who can come in with a fresh perspective like when Payton first arrived. Loomis is nothing more than a yes man with creative accounting ideas.

Loomis is the one who needs to go not Payton. Payton knows how to run offense but is truly clueless about defense. Ireland has helped with drafting defensive talent for Dennis Allen to play with. Our free agency moves are still questionable but we have a better success rate with players making an impact that in years gone by. Loomis can stay as a bean counter if the organization wants to keep him but Payton and Loomis both need a handler who can reign them in and make the correct decisions moving forward.

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Don't forget the TURNOVERS.... :goodidea:

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So Jason Garett is cool since his team is 9-1? He's been in Dallas a long time and has not won a SB.

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I've never been a fan of Jason Garrett but he has grown on me and yes I think he is cool. He has Dak Prescostt, Ezekial Elliot, Dez Bryant, Jason Witten and a hell of an offensive line. That's pretty cool in my book.:cool3:

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Jason Garrett would be my Coach of the Year choice. To get a rookie QB playing this well week in and week out is impressive, no matter how good the OL is.

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I remember his as a backup. That was his job and he did it well. I've always liked the guy.

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I am not ready to jump off the bandwagon. Some teams get their shot and never return. I just don't think we need a change at HC just yet. It would be one thing if he was not addressing and making the team better. I mean its obviously he saw something in the ST's and got another coach coming in. He keeps tweaking where he needs to... that is all I want to see instead of a team like the Browns who are going through a season and just playing for the first round pick next year.

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In 2006 we had injuries to Horn and Colston. In 2009 we had injury to "he who shall not be named"(rhymes with Harper) down the stretch, in 2010 Brees played with injury and we lost Graham and Shockey both at one point, played most of the season without Reggie. We've won before with injuries.

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And Romo hadn't progressed after Payton left, even before the injuries...

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I'll be here when you get back.

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I'm Tom Bodett

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Sean has lost the fire. He didnt fool me last week - that was just personal. As a matter of fact, keeping his asst. coaches is personal. He's not willing to make the changes needed to get this team back to winning form. It's definitely time for him to go after this season, but I doubt it will happen. If it did happen, then the question is - who's a viable replacement?

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We'll Leave The Light On For You.
Hey maybe we can get Haslett back he's just screwing around with the
Bengals LB's.

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His press conf after the game was bad. He did not sound like the highest paid coach in the NFL. He was lashing out at reporters for the questions they were asking.

I was very disappointed in his un-professional behavior.

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SERIOUSLY?

THIS IS A HALL-OF-FAMER WHO CAN'T BE TRUSTED IN THE HUDDLE WITH HIS OWN PLAY CALLING.

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Then why has Payton's playcalling been crap recently? Brees can't call his own plays. That says it all. System QB.

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We are now faced with answering questions about our offense and qb and we don'y want to answer.

According to Freud it is called denial.

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Look at the offenses around the league and tell me what advantage Payton has as a playcaller over Koetter, Linehan, Gruden, Jim Bob, Todd Haley, Mike McCoy, Mularkey, and McDaniels?

Brees played well without Payton's playcalling for two years.

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Referring to the OP, I'm considering it.